A day ago or so two convicted murderers made a mystifying escape from an up-State New York prison.
What's baffling authorities is, the escape path includes having gone through thick prison walls; apparently with power tools.

a) Where did the power tools come from?

b) How could such power tool use be conducted in such densely populated area; and yet go undetected?

c) Where are they now? And where are they headed? And what are their intentions?

My neighbor suggested they're close enough to the Canadian border (which is substantially unguarded), they may be trying to escape to there.

My suspicion is, rather than them digging their way out; they had some outside help that cut their way in; and released them.
But that's a wild guess, based on information from preliminary reports, which are quite often inaccurate.

Do you think they'll be caught?
If so:
- where?
- when?
- by whom?

"There are many places within a large prison where power tools could be used and masked by other sounds, such as boilers, machinery and such." d1

"I would not be surprised if ( as this story unfolds) they had some assistance from the inside. Someone looked the other way..." d1

"I just hope they get caught before they hurt a innocent person as they run" d1

" I didn't know the Canadian border was unguarded." ue

"the Canadian border (which is substantially unguarded)" Lm

" These suspects will be extremely difficult to find. " ue

Thanks for the additional info. S2.
I just caught a local news report on it that the prison they escaped was the largest of its kind in New York State.

Yes, BUT !!
The pics I saw of it on TV indicated the wall opposite the bars at the back of their adjacent cells were thick concrete, and that power tools were used to cut through that. Looked to me like the hole in the wall was orthoganal.
Dremels are indeed powerful tools. BUT!!
I've never seen a saw blade on a Dremel that's more than about an inch in diameter.
It might be a weeks or months long project to get through such a thick concrete wall as that. AND, where would they get the electrical outlet to run such a tool? Do they have electric outlets in prison cells?

If it was a month long project, I suspect the plot would have been detected. So the suggestion is, they got it done in the time between bed-checks.
At least ONE of the other prisoners in the cell-block would have had to have heard it.

I agree. I'd consider that nearly a certitude.
I'd be curious to know what the pay-off was.
Would it be worth it to prison guards to lose their job, and perhaps end up being residents of the prison they formerly "guarded"?

Me too.
I printed a pic of the two, and motorcycled over to a neighbor earlier today to look in on her.
She was at home, with only her 4 year old granddaughter for company (protection).

At least now she's aware of the problem.

As racist as this sounds, if blacks had escaped and about to cross the border, patrol at the border would be suspicious because blacks are not resident to those parts of town. But these two suspects are white. People tend to lower guard at white people than they do of blacks. These suspects can blend in very easily and can assimilate in any town they go into because of their race. These suspects will be extremely difficult to find.

NYS Governor Andrew Cuomo told one of the neighboring prisoners "you must have been in a deep sleep to not hear what was going on." I believe all the cells are single celled. So how could they have escaped from one hole? There had to have been 1 hole in each cell. The contractors could have given one of the inmates tools. And since the contractors are not legally bound to account for their tools, this means the state is A55ed out. This is what happens when you outsource. Did the guard do an inventory count on those contractors?

Dannemora state prison is very old. I've visited the prison a few times. The place is always on lockdown and the guards are extremely careful. They are always on top of things. Especially when it comes to attire. They will send you home if you don't comply with the rules.

*Patrol at the border would be suspicious " That doesn't make sense. 250 officials trying to find these guys no matter what they look like .What is suspicious about officials doing their job?

And you check stats on Canada's racial & cultural diversity. They are not a country full of white people wearing berets.

"... the chase doesn't stop at the boarder" d1

"They are not a country full of white people wearing berets." S2

I was hoping someone would catch this exactly...



I am not sure if these convicts were on death row or not..One of the reasons years ago death row escapees would run for Canada was Canada didn't have extradition for death row people.. Not sure if this has changed or not, remember it from years ago.

I am sure someone from Canada will come in and correct me if I am wrong.

"the escape path includes having gone through thick prison walls" Lm

"the wall opposite the bars at the back of their adjacent cells were thick concrete" Lm

*Patrol at the border would be suspicious " That doesn't make sense. 250 officials trying to find these guys no matter what they look like .What is suspicious about officials doing their job?

And you check stats on Canada's racial & cultural diversity. They are not a country full of white people wearing berets.