Topic: The real cost of DEI
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Wed 01/10/24 05:42 AM

The idea of DEI ( diversity, equity, inclusion ) , sounds nice until you uncover the damage it has on real life matters. We use to be a nation that depended on knowledge , finding the best candidates to fill the ranks of private corporations, or governments and the departments within . That was than, but now it seems knowledge takes a backseat to skin color or sexual preference and gender.. look at the Vice President, she’s the most unqualified person to ever hold that title but she is the first black woman. She has done nothing that she was assigned to do.. except once in a while she try’s to give a uplifting speech but leaves people confused with her unintelligible word salad… look at the transportation secretary , the first homosexual to hold that job, but with doors flying off planes because of missing bolts, trains derailing and poisoning small towns because of human error, planes crashing into other planes because of human error, is this the best person for that job? The only transportation experience this guy has is experience at pulling a train..and now we find out that our secretary of defense was out of commission for 10 days and our president was unaware this… where is the accountability for all the ineptness within this administration.. why does this White House put looks before experience in these very important jobs..I can’t wait till the grown ups are back in the White House. What we have now is like the sweat hogs from “welcome back Kotter”…
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Ward

Wed 01/10/24 06:34 AM

Democracy depends upon an educated and informed electorate.
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Mortman

Wed 01/10/24 08:24 AM

A jetliner's mechanical deficiency is the fault of the Secretary of Transportation? I guess I shouldn't be surprised you don't know about the FAA. Jetliners already get strict safety inspections and that the blown-out door is a matter for inspectors several echelons below Secretary Pete. You're just looking for something, ANYTHING to blame on Beden and none of these problems have anything to do with DEI.
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Bart

Wed 01/10/24 02:11 PM

No… I’m just pointing out that no one is held responsible for any of the failures by this administration. From the VP( border czar) ? She hasn’t improved anything on the border..no problem because she is the first woman of color to be elected VP… hooorayyy! … The chiefs in charge of the Afghanistan withdraw . Heads should have rolled on that one but no worry’s , they will look at ways to improve.. Not acceptable…The Chinese ballon and the coverup that went on for days after a citizen spotted it. Not a word from the administration until the cat was out of the bag..Biden called that a silly mistake by China…the education secretary shut down schools at the behest of the teachers union, and now we know that should have never happened… Many of these problems may have been avoided if he would have looked more at the content of these appointees instead of trying to diversify his cabinet for looks…It’s not only DC but all these cities where the crime is out of control could be the fault of DAs sympathetic to the people committing these crimes…If any of these examples were done at a private corporation most of the people above would have been fired..period!
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Mortman

Fri 01/12/24 02:42 AM

You seem to just complain about the Biden Administration while attributing it to DEI, when it's not clear that another administration or a white, Christian, cis male would've done better. Do you think DEI gets the executive branch extra money from Congress to fix the border? Would a white Christian male have magically extracted machines and people from the Middle East without issue? You apparently blame DEI for doors failing on jetliners. Seems crazy to me. Can you explain?
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Bart

Fri 01/12/24 04:45 AM

Yea, I can explain. If I’m going to hire someone in my welding business to come work as a welder, I’m looking at applications for someone experienced in welding, I’m not looking at my current field of employees and thinking, I need another White guy or a women. I’m looking to hire the best applicant from the applications in front of me whoever that may be. But to tell myself , I’m going to hire a gay or black just to make my company look more inclusive. No way, That is a road to failure….Even school children understand that concept , so what part don’t you understand…
Edited by Bart on Fri 01/12/24 04:48 AM
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Jaan Doh

Fri 01/12/24 12:57 PM


The idea of DEI ( diversity, equity, inclusion ) , sounds nice until you uncover the damage it has on real life matters. We use to be a nation that depended on knowledge , finding the best candidates to fill the ranks of private corporations, or governments and the departments within . That was than, but now it seems knowledge takes a backseat to skin color or sexual preference and gender.. look at the Vice President, she’s the most unqualified person to ever hold that title but she is the first black woman. She has done nothing that she was assigned to do.. except once in a while she try’s to give a uplifting speech but leaves people confused with her unintelligible word salad… look at the transportation secretary , the first homosexual to hold that job, but with doors flying off planes because of missing bolts, trains derailing and poisoning small towns because of human error, planes crashing into other planes because of human error, is this the best person for that job? The only transportation experience this guy has is experience at pulling a train..and now we find out that our secretary of defense was out of commission for 10 days and our president was unaware this… where is the accountability for all the ineptness within this administration.. why does this White House put looks before experience in these very important jobs..I can’t wait till the grown ups are back in the White House. What we have now is like the sweat hogs from “welcome back Kotter”…



It's the same the world over, even here in the UK
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I mean for example President Boris advanced Jennifer Acuri(?) as his chief of cyber security, in reality he had a four year affair with her, and I'm sure that the UK has a think tank of many individuals who are smarter than her but can't pole dance as well as her :joy::rolling_eyes:..

And that clown (forgot his name) chancellor of the ex-chequer (budget) raised the taxes or interest rate and started the ball really rolling on the current recession... He was replaced the next day, but too late the damage was done, stocks and shares fell...

Another one was the woman minister of immigration (?) she went to Rwanda supposedly to sweeten the Rwandan politicians into agreeing to take immigrants from UK to Rwanda for a large sum of money, undisclosed amount... Now that's exploitation right there too, taking advantage of poor countries :rolling_eyes::rolling_eyes:... While she was there she did a number of personal trade deals and never mentioned it, talk about conflict of interest... :rolling_eyes::rolling_eyes::rolling_eyes::rolling_eyes::rolling_eyes:

Yes face it...
We are all screwed with leaders and representatives in power who are inept at their jobs....

Edited by Jaan Doh on Fri 01/12/24 01:02 PM
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Mortman

Sun 01/14/24 09:53 AM

Yea, I can explain. If I’m going to hire someone in my welding business to come work as a welder, I’m looking at applications for someone experienced in welding, I’m not looking at my current field of employees and thinking, I need another White guy or a women. I’m looking to hire the best applicant from the applications in front of me whoever that may be. But to tell myself , I’m going to hire a gay or black just to make my company look more inclusive. No way, That is a road to failure….Even school children understand that concept , so what part don’t you understand…

Hey that's great. Nobody's telling you to hire less than the best. DEI just says to be open to hiring people other than cis white males. So, in your situation, would you turn down a female welder with 10 years experience and good references over a good Christian male with only 18 months experience? What if the woman is a lesbian? What if the guy is Muslim? What if one of the applicants is Democrat?

Just saying.
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Bart

Sun 01/14/24 11:31 AM


Yea, I can explain. If I’m going to hire someone in my welding business to come work as a welder, I’m looking at applications for someone experienced in welding, I’m not looking at my current field of employees and thinking, I need another White guy or a women. I’m looking to hire the best applicant from the applications in front of me whoever that may be. But to tell myself , I’m going to hire a gay or black just to make my company look more inclusive. No way, That is a road to failure….Even school children understand that concept , so what part don’t you understand…

Hey that's great. Nobody's telling you to hire less than the best. DEI just says to be open to hiring people other than cis white males. So, in your situation, would you turn down a female welder with 10 years experience and good references over a good Christian male with only 18 months experience? What if the woman is a lesbian? What if the guy is Muslim? What if one of the applicants is Democrat?

Just saying.
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Again, the point being goes over your head…. I will repeat what I said.. the best employee for the job I am hiring for,, NO MATTER their gender or race or sexual preference.. that is the basis of a successful business, and most employers apply that reasoning in the hiring process… what Biden did was disqualify a whole group of people( white men) from his VP selection…and look at the results we get… another waste of a government position….
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Toodygirl5

Sun 01/14/24 02:23 PM

Look at Society and what most think is important; it shows by what they support. Change America and make it whatever they want, that is the Goal. Thing is, that is not what America should Stand for, but for Freedom by the USA constitution. However, Now Washington's present administration is trying to Change it and doing a good job of it so far.
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Sun 01/14/24 02:27 PM
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Mortman

Sun 01/14/24 10:57 PM

Again, the point being goes over your head…. I will repeat what I said.. the best employee for the job I am hiring for,, NO MATTER their gender or race or sexual preference.. that is the basis of a successful business, and most employers apply that reasoning in the hiring process… what Biden did was disqualify a whole group of people( white men) from his VP selection…and look at the results we get… another waste of a government position….

Sure, I get it. You guys like to hate on Kamala Harris, but she's done as good a job as most any other VP. So who, in your mind, should Biden have picked, if he wanted a white male? I'm not sure Biden first decided to pick a black female as much as his first pick was Kamala Harris, who brought youth and modern style to the ticket, and better appealed to black females, which is a large part of the Democratic base. I don't think Biden ever seriously considered the other's on his "short list" as he was already friends with Harris, but the DNC wanted suspense to keep people talking about it. But seriously, consider other VPs. Was Pence or Cheney or even Biden better as VP? I don't think so.
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Bart

Mon 01/15/24 03:56 AM


Again, the point being goes over your head…. I will repeat what I said.. the best employee for the job I am hiring for,, NO MATTER their gender or race or sexual preference.. that is the basis of a successful business, and most employers apply that reasoning in the hiring process… what Biden did was disqualify a whole group of people( white men) from his VP selection…and look at the results we get… another waste of a government position….

Sure, I get it. You guys like to hate on Kamala Harris, but she's done as good a job as most any other VP. So who, in your mind, should Biden have picked, if he wanted a white male? I'm not sure Biden first decided to pick a black female as much as his first pick was Kamala Harris, who brought youth and modern style to the ticket, and better appealed to black females, which is a large part of the Democratic base. I don't think Biden ever seriously considered the other's on his "short list" as he was already friends with Harris, but the DNC wanted suspense to keep people talking about it. But seriously, consider other VPs. Was Pence or Cheney or even Biden better as VP? I don't think so.

Pence was good for bringing the evangelical votes, he was alright , he stayed more in the shadows and therefore brought no controversy, Cheney was a strong voice for Bush , probably the most effective VP in decades..But to be seriously honest , Kamala is a train wreck. She is a constant source of embarrassment for this administration. I think this is why we never see her..I think he wanted someone that was virtually unknown that would have no real voice in his administration.. Who should Biden have picked? .. someone more moderate like Senator Manchiun may have kept his administration from becoming the poster child of wokeness, Biden is far left of Moderate..
Edited by Bart on Mon 01/15/24 03:59 AM
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Mortman

Mon 01/15/24 06:29 PM

Pence was good for bringing the evangelical votes, he was alright , he stayed more in the shadows and therefore brought no controversy, Cheney was a strong voice for Bush , probably the most effective VP in decades..But to be seriously honest , Kamala is a train wreck. She is a constant source of embarrassment for this administration. I think this is why we never see her..I think he wanted someone that was virtually unknown that would have no real voice in his administration.. Who should Biden have picked? .. someone more moderate like Senator Manchiun may have kept his administration from becoming the poster child of wokeness, Biden is far left of Moderate..

You're right. Kamala Harris never shot her lawyer in the face (that we know of).
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Bart

Tue 01/16/24 05:03 AM


Pence was good for bringing the evangelical votes, he was alright , he stayed more in the shadows and therefore brought no controversy, Cheney was a strong voice for Bush , probably the most effective VP in decades..But to be seriously honest , Kamala is a train wreck. She is a constant source of embarrassment for this administration. I think this is why we never see her..I think he wanted someone that was virtually unknown that would have no real voice in his administration.. Who should Biden have picked? .. someone more moderate like Senator Manchiun may have kept his administration from becoming the poster child of wokeness, Biden is far left of Moderate..

You're right. Kamala Harris never shot her lawyer in the face (that we know of).


Lol… that’s a good one… but she needs no gun. Shes doing much more damage by shooting her mouth off with lies and telling us how we ought to think. Only 1 in 3 people have faith in Joes and Kamala’s job performance and I’ll bet it gets worse from here on out…
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Tue 01/16/24 09:47 AM

Lol… that’s a good one… but she needs no gun. Shes doing much more damage by shooting her mouth off with lies and telling us how we ought to think. Only 1 in 3 people have faith in Joes and Kamala’s job performance and I’ll bet it gets worse from here on out…

Sure, and Trump's only getting half of Republican votes. We all saw the mess he left, so it'll be an easy job to give the public real results this year. In the meantime, Harris is speaking all around the country, fundraising, and the Biden Harris campaign has raised record amounts, while Trump is blowing $millions on legal bills and getting kicked off more ballots.
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Bart

Tue 01/16/24 12:37 PM


Lol… that’s a good one… but she needs no gun. Shes doing much more damage by shooting her mouth off with lies and telling us how we ought to think. Only 1 in 3 people have faith in Joes and Kamala’s job performance and I’ll bet it gets worse from here on out…

Sure, and Trump's only getting half of Republican votes. We all saw the mess he left, so it'll be an easy job to give the public real results this year. In the meantime, Harris is speaking all around the country, fundraising, and the Biden Harris campaign has raised record amounts, while Trump is blowing $millions on legal bills and getting kicked off more ballots.



All the money in the world can’t change the fact that he has the worst confidence rating of any modern day president. 2 out of 3 people disapprove of the job he is doing. Every Republican candidate beats Biden according to almost every poll. Trump won the Iowa caucus by more of a percentage spread than any other presidential candidate ever.. Trump will take 51% of republicans votes while 70% of democrats don’t want Biden… see the difference?…BTW, 66% of voters in Iowa don’t believe in the ‘Trump insurrection’ non-sense..
Edited by Bart on Tue 01/16/24 12:39 PM
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Tue 01/16/24 08:56 PM

I think it's a trap. They're letting Republicans pick Trump, and around late Spring, after Trump's locked it up, all the criminal convictions start going and SCOTUS rules Trump ineligible under the 14th Amendment (plain language). Then we watch the scrambling and crying and the MAGA faithful staying home on Election Day. I won't even say "I told you so" because I know it'll hurt and many of my friends love Trump.
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Bart

Wed 01/17/24 05:38 AM


I think it's a trap. They're letting Republicans pick Trump, and around late Spring, after Trump's locked it up, all the criminal convictions start going and SCOTUS rules Trump ineligible under the 14th Amendment (plain language). Then we watch the scrambling and crying and the MAGA faithful staying home on Election Day. I won't even say "I told you so" because I know it'll hurt and many of my friends love Trump.


What is the ‘trap’ and who are the ‘they’ that are letting republicans pick Trump? Trump is riding the wave that should have washed ashore in 2020. But unless the Democratic Party has another plan to sensor very relative information that would keep folks from voting for Biden , I think Trump will be elected as the 47th President.. There is a big difference between now and 2020. The difference is that now we see a sample of Joe Biden’s work and I can’t believe that anybody is impressed with it.. What hurt Trump was a once in a lifetime pandemic that brought out untested theory’s and experimental practices that virtually shut down our economy and work force.. until that point in time the economy was great , unemployment was at a all time low. Peoples paychecks were going farther than they do now. We didn’t have tens of thousands of unknown immigrants being allowed entrance into the USA every month , and we weren’t on the verge of a new mid-east war..these aren’t arguable statements they are facts…
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Mortman

Wed 01/17/24 12:13 PM

What is the ‘trap’ and who are the ‘they’ that are letting republicans pick Trump? Trump is riding the wave that should have washed ashore in 2020. But unless the Democratic Party has another plan to sensor very relative information that would keep folks from voting for Biden , I think Trump will be elected as the 47th President.. There is a big difference between now and 2020. The difference is that now we see a sample of Joe Biden’s work and I can’t believe that anybody is impressed with it.. What hurt Trump was a once in a lifetime pandemic that brought out untested theory’s and experimental practices that virtually shut down our economy and work force.. until that point in time the economy was great , unemployment was at a all time low. Peoples paychecks were going farther than they do now. We didn’t have tens of thousands of unknown immigrants being allowed entrance into the USA every month , and we weren’t on the verge of a new mid-east war..these aren’t arguable statements they are facts…

The trap is that Republicans are stuck with a fatally flawed nominee, and "they" are the Democrats. Trump has obviously engaged in insurrection, so is ineligible by the 14th Amendment. After a SCOTUS ruling, he could still get taken off the ballots in Texas & Florida, which would mathematically guarantee a Biden win.

I get it that you don't see Biden's accomplishments or Trump's failures. The pandemic was world-wide, but the US still fared worse than many other countries (per capita), despite getting a better vaccine, sooner. On the other hand, Biden brought the country back from the pandemic with a record-low unemployment--under 4% for two years, and despite Republicans crying about inflation, the US inflation is now lower, and GDP growth is higher than most every other nation. But yeah, All Biden is doing is restoring manufacturing jobs and investing in the infrastructure while Republicans control the House. Trump got tax cuts for the wealthy, which is the beginning and end of what he could do.
Edited by Mortman on Wed 01/17/24 12:15 PM
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Wed 01/17/24 02:41 PM

Trump won't be disqualified to be on ballots.
Even some J Biden supporters don't want Biden in office again, he's incompetent and so is Karmala. Anyone who has been observant noticed what they have not accomplished in the last 4 years in America.
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Wed 01/17/24 02:43 PM