but Adam and Eve did lack something....they lacked knowledge ..also what difference does it make wheather Adam and Eve listened to God since apparently God didn't give Adam and Eve the knowledge to comprehend what he was saying

also I'm still waiting on you or anyone else to show a passage in the bible that indicates the intelligence of Adam and Eve ..because if this one bit of information can not be provided neutralize the belief that God is Love ..because it would mean that the human race was condemn because God bestold upon Adam and Eve the mentality of failure in the form of lack of knowledge..

thus adultery was invented.

I agree with funches here.

The tree of knowledge contained the fruit of which, if eaten, enlightened the one who had eaten of the fruit with the knowledge of the difference between good and evil.

Therefore, prior to the fruit being eaten, neither Eve nor Adam could have known the difference between good(right) and evil(wrong). This knowledge only came after the fruit had been eaten.

So then, if the ability to distinguish right from wrong came after they had both eaten of the tree, how could disobedience even be applicable. They did not know. They could not have known, according to the story itself.

Moreover, this brings up another interesting perspective. Who or what then should we, as humans, acknowledge for humans gaining such an understanding. If the story is held as true, then disobedience birthed knowledge.

Curious enough, no?

That whole story is bogus.

There is not a tree in existence with fruit on it that will make someone smarter or be able to suddenly know right from wrong or good from evil.

What the Bible meant by "tree" is a genetic bloodline.

Adam and Eve were supposed to have children and breed a race of superior humans to go out and breed and mix with the other humans on the earth to upgrade the races. (Read the Urantia Book)

But I believe that the snake man the Bible described as the "serpent" seduced and impregnated Eve. The Bible called it "beguiled." It is very obvious what happened in the Garden.

Sex was the forbidden fruit.

Then she seduced Adam. She got pregnant with paternal twins and one was Cain and one was Able. Cain was the son of the serpent.

This is why they were ashamed and covered their sex organs. This is where they "sinned."

Now the whole genetic experiment was botched up and the sons of Cain were the seed of Satan and the Sons of Adam were the "chosen people." It makes perfect sense and this is supported by many Bible verses.

JB

Curious how in depth that explanation for a supposedly "bogus" story was.



If that makes sense for you, then you have found your own usefulness in the story. It is always a good thing to see another find meaning in such a long held and respected biblical story. I am glad that you have found a way to make it all work for you...

1) Why did God create Satan?
2) Why would God let Satan slither up to these dopey idiots in the first place.
3) If God is omnipotent, why did he not see this coming?
4) So if the Canaanites were produced on the 6th day and Tweedledum and Tweedledumber were on day seven,why do we say Adam was the world's first man?
5) Why are giants being allowed to walk the earth, when obviously the Miami Dolphins should be given precedence?

A serious young man found the conflicts of mid 20th Century America confusing. He went to many people seeking a way of resolving within himself the discords that troubled him, but he remained troubled.

One night in a coffee house, a self-ordained Zen Master said to him, "go to the dilapidated mansion you will find at this address which I have written down for you. Do not speak to those who live there; you must remain silent until the moon rises tomorrow night. Go to the large room on the right of the main hallway, sit in the lotus position on top of the rubble in the northeast corner, face the corner, and meditate."

He did just as the Zen Master instructed. His meditation was frequently interrupted by worries. He worried whether or not the rest of the plumbing fixtures would fall from the second floor bathroom to join the pipes and other trash he was sitting on. He worried how would he know when the moon rose on the next night. He worried about what the people who walked through the room said about him.

His worrying and meditation were disturbed when, as if in a test of his faith, ordure fell from the second floor onto him. At that time two people walked into the room. The first asked the second who the man was sitting there was. The second replied "Some say he is a holy man. Others say he is a ****head."

Hearing this, the man was enlightened.



http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/12.php

14. Wipe thine @ss with what is written
and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take
thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing
behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE
HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19

Re #5. Because the Dol-fans (Miami Dolphin Fans) are fickle and don't show up during a losing season.

1. Before the beginning was the Nonexistent Chao, balanced in Oblivion by the Perfect Counterpushpull of the Hodge and the Podge.

2. Whereupon, by an Act of Happenstance, the Hodge began gradually to overpower the Podge -- and the Primal Chaos thereby came to be.

3. So in the beginning was the Primal Chaos, balanced on the Edge of Oblivion by the Perfect Counterpullpush of the Podge and the Hodge.

4. Whereupon, by the Law of Negative Reversal,** the Podge swiftly underpowered the Hodge and Everything broke loose.

5. And therein emerged the Active Force of Discord, the Subtle Manifestation of the Nonexistent Chao, to guide Everything along the Path back to Oblivion - that it might not become lost among Precepts of Order in the Region of Thud.

6. Forasmuch as it was Active, the Force of Discord entered the State of Confusion, wherein It copulated with the Queen and begat ERIS, Our Lady of Discord and Gross Manifestation of the Nonexistent Chao.

7. And under Eris Confusion became established, and was hence called Bureaucracy; while over Bureaucracy Eris became established, and was hence called Discordia.

8. By the by it came to pass that the Establishment of Bureaucracy perished in a paper shortage.

9. Thus it was, in accord with the Law of Laws.

I cant help it!! I live 5000 miles away in the middle of nowhere.

Although for work, I do get to swim with Egyptian Dolphins

A hard life as a diving instructor

the story may of may not be bogus but it clearly have one major flaw at the very beginning... unless someone can supply information as to the mental capabilities of Adam and Eve then all the evidence points to God creating the human race to be bare-foot dumb and pregnant



well some may have a difference of opinion on that ...because some considered The Cannabis as the allergory for The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil



to keep things within the frame of the belief and not decend into metaphoric tangents then you have to assume the bible meant apple tree ..



again this is going off on a metaphoric tangent because if sex was the forbidden fruit then look at your below statement



if sex was fordidden then how was they suppose to breed ...immaculate conception?



all Satan did to Eve was to say..."Hey Dummy eat a apple"



if Eve was the only woman on Earth then she wouldn't had to seduce Adam..if anything she would have to beat him off with a stick ..hopefully off the Tree of Knowledge to knock some sense in his head ..no means no



well when it comes to covering up one's sex organs...Undercover Brother said it best ..."The Water Cold..The Water Cold"



sounds like a whole lot of baby mama drama ...they need to go on the Maury Povich show and get a DNA test

As long as you are consistent- don't come win or lose- then you may be excused.

It's a blessing to love your work. And it sounds like your co-workers are a lot of fun- which can make any job fun.

Partitions exist.

So do bridges.

Between any two people there exists knowledge of choices made.

Between two people there exists the potential to recognize common attributes of life's lessons as well.

Partitions invoke personal differences that yield great expectations.

bridges invoke free expressions of sharing and exploration which require no expectations.

Spiritual influences digested lead to recognitions of compatibility and interdependence or of self determination and self gratification.

As knowledge, Christ and the Church as a metaphor, representing advantage and privilege it then holds that selectivity and discriminate differences bind one with the other so long as meritorious benefits exist without conflict.

As life, Christ and the Church, representing steadfast committment and benevolent interdependence holds that neither knowledge nor enlightened self interest bears any sway on willful considerations of personal advantage and privilege and that mutual benefit is derived more from giving then of receiving, and that both act to premise expressions of joy without expectations.

The temptations of personal endeavor into covetous apprehensions requires pride, lust, envy, jealousy, malice, forethought and judgement which lead to conflict and strife when purposed and acted upon necessarily at the expense of others due to the expectations harbored.

That, in and of itself, creates knowledgeable differences between individuals.

Divorce is an allegorical metaphor of expectations.

Where do expectations come from, and to what end are they manifested?

Even in the expectation of being present at the marriage supper of the lamb is a judgement being made worthy of discernment that requires righteousness and compassion being employed for mutual benefits and not personal gain.

Bridges and partitions are gateways and gulfs of equity and iniquity.


Paradoxes and conundrums are not avoidable contemplations.

Not any longer.

The Garden of Eden and it's very imagery discover the heart.

Genesis 1 gives man the premise for replenishing and subduing the earth.

Genesis 2 gives man and woman shameless opportunity.

Genesis 3 displays the iniquity involved in subduing one another.

That word, subdue, holds merit. It is kabash meaning to tread down or negatively, to disregard.

It is a word rarely used in scripture and predominately is used in connection with actions taken regarding the land on which one dwells, not concerning one another.

So, I give you the one and only obscure passage in the whole of scripture that gives perspective to my reasoning.

Micah 7:18-20, which sum up the words of the prophet of the LORD, Micah. 710BC.

"Who is a God like unto you, that pardons iniquity,and passes by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage?
he retains not his anger forever, because he delights in mercy.

He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us ;

he will subdue our iniquities;

and you will cast all their errors into the depth of the sea.

you will perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which you has sworn unto our fathers from the days of old."


The difference beween 'you' and 'he' is a stark one.

It implies that there is a way to perform this as though by another, but not another.



peace.

Oh Im real consistant!!
I have only seen them play once and that was at Wembley in London.

So, I am a long distance fan.



All that my co-workers want to do is dive, eat, have sex and play ... not that that is a bad set of objectives, but it does make me jealous that I can only manage two out of those four at anyone time!!!

A cunning linguist is orally gifted.

I can see how four out of four is possible.

A grandslam of a breakfast.

the question should be "Did God create Satan?" ...

since God made man from dirt then what did God make the angels from ...everything points to the angels being a different species not created by God that had power almost on the same scale with God..

because even the bible says that during the war in Heaven God had to actually go into battle himself with Satan and his legions and God needed the help from the other angels to defeat Satan's army ...why would an all powerful God have to resort to needing help from his lesser creations ...why would a God have a "need" anything unless if wasn't a God

I have a good imagination.

The bogus part is the "magic fruit"




This story is a theory held my many others. If there is any truth to the story of Adam and Eve at all, this one at least makes sense.

JB

Unless he isnt a God, but a Goa'uld looking like Charlton Heston

Well, I do have a 9 inch giraffe tongue, can hold my breath for an hour and breathe through my ears ... so 4/4 is possible as long as scuba isnt involved in the diving