English Standard Version (Colossians 1:15)
He [Jesus/Yeshua] is the image of the invisible God, the
firstborn of all
creation.
After you ignored the context to Colossians 1:15--which I bolded within my quotation--you proceeded to give me your personal philosophy, as follows:
iam_resurrected said:
What you refuse to accept, is that the Father is OMNIPRESENT. He could be in Heaven and in the flesh body as Yeshua at the same time!! He is God after all!!
Of course, you still have not answered my original question, as follows:
QUESTION #1 TO iam_resurrected: If Jesus/Yeshua and Jehovah the Father were one and the same why did Jesus/Yeshua inform his disciples: "
THE WORDS that I have spoken to you
DO NOT COME FROM ME"?
QUESTION #2 TO iam_resurrected: According to Colossians 1:15, Jesus/Yeshua is the
firstborn of all CREATION."
YES or
NO?
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... be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath...." (James 1:19-20)
I do not follow nor believe in the idealism that is known as the Trinity!!
I believe in ONE GOD, He is known in the Torah as ELOHIM, "I AM THAT I AM!!" He is known in the Aramaic/Greek New Testaments as "The Father."
To find the best answers for this and many questions of the New Testament, is to read what our "ONENESS CHURCH FATHERS," 1 or 2 generations from the actual Disciples/Apostles and using same language to know the true meaning of what was being written.
What they wrote, the Apostles baptized in Book of Acts in Name of Yeshua, Peter COMMANDED to be Baptized in Name of Jesus. Timothy baptized the Eunuch in Name of Yeshua like in Chapter 19, Paul baptized in the Name of Yeshua.
Yeshua is the WORD, the spoken W.O.R.D. from God.
You speak words, those words you speak only reflect you, and no one else.
This is God and how His Spoken WORD works. God speaks, the (His[God's]) WORD then does what was spoken. But the ONE SPEAKING and the ONE DOING are not 2 different Deities, they are ONE and the SAME DEITY. One God using 2 perspectives to fulfill His work. And the Holy Spirit is the personal Spirit of God.
Genesis 3:6 explains that, Yeshua explains (or the Father speaking through His WORD), and Paul explains it.
Paul confirms 2 times that God is ONE PERSON, the Fathers. Mark 12 proves that Yeshua confirms God is One Person, the Father to/with the Scribe.
You have a Bible that is a translation and thoughts of the person WHO TRANSLATED your Bible. But your bible is a translation of Latin Vulgate, translated from the Greek and Hebrew. There is the Aramaic version which is extremely valuable. It's the actual language Yeshua spoke, His Disciples, the Pharisees and others. Of course they spoke Greek and Latin with the Romans, but their language amongst themselves would be native like their Aramaic.
So to know the real factual truths, I read the Torah and the Aramaic with Greek. Yes, I have my English KJV Dake's, but when I compare that to these the originals, wow, there is a lot of missing information plus adding by the English writers. Definitely personal beliefs, not real scriptural facts.
So no, There is only ONE GOD, the FATHER!! But the WORD is a part of the FATHER, because it is the action portion to what the FATHER is saying. The WORD is not an actual Son. It's a Son on basis that all flesh humans are Son/Daughters of God created in His Image. No, the WORD is really the Spoken portion of the Father.
The Messiah is described as the Right hand of Power by the Prophets. God was this Big One Person, but the Messiah would be God's Big One Body actual Right Side representing the Power of God (the Action of what God speaks and Commands). Yeshua is not only the Messiah, but the Spoken WORD of the Father, making the Speaker and the Action of the WORD the SAME PERSON.
This is why there is even a portion of scripture from Paul claiming, Yeshua is the physical Image to the Father's Invisible Image. Or, when Yeshua looks into a mirror He sees Himself as the Father, and when the invisible Father looks into a mirror He sees Himself as the WORD!!
I asked you two direct questions. You replied with a wall of text--which is what people do when they are dodging questions. I do not have the time nor the inclination to read your above wall of text.
Below, for the last time, are the two questions. Until you stop playing the role of Artful Dodger, this discussion will proceed no further.
If Jesus/Yeshua and Jehovah the Father were one and the same why did Jesus/Yeshua inform his disciples: "