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iam_resurrected

Fri 07/19/19 07:45 PM


In the opinion of the believers, God instructed his people to go out and convert the non-believers into being his disciples. Does that mean She wants her disciples to convert the world into JWs? Of course, they would say yes that's right, but the Christian religions don't think it is a requirement to knock at the doors of strangers to present a different version from that found in Christian Bibles.

As has been said before, we all know the 'Good News' and don't need to hear someone banging on about it again. Those who are believers would like to be told something new that have not heard before.

Those of us who are not believers would rather be left alone. Fortunately my house is obviously on the 'do not disturb' part of the the JW list because they always walk by and no longer ring my bell.



When your Grandfather preached, were you old enough to remember, or just remember being in the church building he preached at, or was not born yet, or was not old enough to understand?
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Tom4Uhere

Sat 07/20/19 12:22 AM

Fortunately my house is obviously on the 'do not disturb' part of the the JW list because they always walk by and no longer ring my bell.

LOL, funny you should say that.
Ever since I grabbed ahold of one and made them listen to what I had to say on the matter, I have beeb shunned.
I feel like I have been left out?

See, I didn't attack their beliefs.
I only told them I have no need to be forgiven for living my life?
While the woman (she was pretty) was willing to discuss my views in depth, her mentor (down on the sidewalk) told her they had to go.

What was most interesting to me was the fact that her eyes perked up as I made my points.
I found that mildly amusing.
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Sat 07/20/19 01:47 AM


When your Grandfather preached, were you old enough to remember, or just remember being in the church building he preached at, or was not born yet, or was not old enough to understand?


I was about 3 yrs old when my Grandfather was a priest and my parents lived about 400 miles from him, so I never heard any of his sermons. However, I do have a recording of one of his services on about six 12inch 78rpm discs! I mean to copy them one day to the computer so I can hear him.
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iam_resurrected

Sat 07/20/19 10:53 AM


I was about 3 yrs old when my Grandfather was a priest and my parents lived about 400 miles from him, so I never heard any of his sermons. However, I do have a recording of one of his services on about six 12inch 78rpm discs! I mean to copy them one day to the computer so I can hear him.




I am sorry you never was able to be present and old enough to have witnessed your Grandfather. And you should get those recordings audible. You have your own idealisms and are a grown adult. But since it is your Grandfather, you might find what he preaches actually does relate to how You currently view life. He just did it in his own way. But the point is, you can see that when they speak, especially when it's no visual, only audible. You will hear him as if he is just talking about one of his many views of life. And it's Your Grandfather. He is part of the reason You exist. True Family Revelation.

And you claim to have a broad view in even claiming your beliefs as you have done. You might just find some humor in the experiment. Who knows.
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NeutralZone2

Sun 07/21/19 12:41 PM



QUESTION #1 TO iam_resurrected: If Jesus/Yeshua and Jehovah the Father were one and the same why did Jesus/Yeshua inform his disciples: "The words that I have spoken to you do not come from me"?



Because Philip asked Him. And Yeshua explained.

iam_resurrected:

You are dodging my question and providing me with a cherry-picked verse that DOES NOT mean what you claim it means. Notice your cherry-picked verse below, in which you made a point of ignoring context (the usual routine of Trinitarians).

iam_resurrected said:
And what Yeshua explained is how Paul describes Yeshua in Colossians:


ܗܘ ܕܗܘܝܘ ܕܡܘܬܐ ܕܐܠܗܐ ܕܠܐ ܡܬܚܙܐ ܘܒܘܟܪܐ ܕܟܠܗܝܢ ܒܪܝܬܐ
15 who, that is to say, is The Image of Alaha {God} who is not seen.

This verse claims if we see the invisible God we see Yeshua, when we see Yeshua, we are seeing the invisible God!!

See that? You gave me a cherry-picked verse from Colossians 1:15, during which you you ignored the context to the verse. (Context refers to surrounding words within the verses, and surrounding verses and chapters within the same Bible book.) Notice part of the context to Colossians 1:15, which you chose to ignore, while you dodged my original question:

English Standard Version (Colossians 1:15)
He [Jesus/Yeshua] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

After you ignored the context to Colossians 1:15--which I bolded within my quotation--you proceeded to give me your personal philosophy, as follows:

iam_resurrected said:
What you refuse to accept, is that the Father is OMNIPRESENT. He could be in Heaven and in the flesh body as Yeshua at the same time!! He is God after all!!

Of course, you still have not answered my original question, as follows:

QUESTION #1 TO iam_resurrected: If Jesus/Yeshua and Jehovah the Father were one and the same why did Jesus/Yeshua inform his disciples: "THE WORDS that I have spoken to you DO NOT COME FROM ME"?


QUESTION #2 TO iam_resurrected: According to Colossians 1:15, Jesus/Yeshua is the firstborn of all CREATION." YES or NO?


NeutralZone2

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Edited by NeutralZone2 on Sun 07/21/19 12:43 PM
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iam_resurrected

Mon 07/22/19 09:58 AM


QUESTION #1 TO iam_resurrected: If Jesus/Yeshua and Jehovah the Father were one and the same why did Jesus/Yeshua inform his disciples: "The words that I have spoken to you do not come from me"?



Because Philip asked Him. And Yeshua explained.
iam_resurrected:

You are dodging my question and providing me with a cherry-picked verse that DOES NOT mean what you claim it means. Notice your cherry-picked verse below, in which you made a point of ignoring context (the usual routine of Trinitarians).

iam_resurrected said:
And what Yeshua explained is how Paul describes Yeshua in Colossians:


ܗܘ ܕܗܘܝܘ ܕܡܘܬܐ ܕܐܠܗܐ ܕܠܐ ܡܬܚܙܐ ܘܒܘܟܪܐ ܕܟܠܗܝܢ ܒܪܝܬܐ
15 who, that is to say, is The Image of Alaha {God} who is not seen.

This verse claims if we see the invisible God we see Yeshua, when we see Yeshua, we are seeing the invisible God!!

See that? You gave me a cherry-picked verse from Colossians 1:15, during which you you ignored the context to the verse. (Context refers to surrounding words within the verses, and surrounding verses and chapters within the same Bible book.) Notice part of the context to Colossians 1:15, which you chose to ignore, while you dodged my original question:

English Standard Version (Colossians 1:15)
He [Jesus/Yeshua] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

After you ignored the context to Colossians 1:15--which I bolded within my quotation--you proceeded to give me your personal philosophy, as follows:

iam_resurrected said:
What you refuse to accept, is that the Father is OMNIPRESENT. He could be in Heaven and in the flesh body as Yeshua at the same time!! He is God after all!!

Of course, you still have not answered my original question, as follows:

QUESTION #1 TO iam_resurrected: If Jesus/Yeshua and Jehovah the Father were one and the same why did Jesus/Yeshua inform his disciples: "THE WORDS that I have spoken to you DO NOT COME FROM ME"?


QUESTION #2 TO iam_resurrected: According to Colossians 1:15, Jesus/Yeshua is the firstborn of all CREATION." YES or NO?


NeutralZone2

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... be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath...." (James 1:19-20)






I do not follow nor believe in the idealism that is known as the Trinity!!

Get that through your brainwashed mind!!
I believe in ONE GOD, He is known in the Torah as ELOHIM, "I AM THAT I AM!!" He is known in the Aramaic/Greek New Testaments as "The Father."

To find the best answers for this and many questions of the New Testament, is to read what our "ONENESS CHURCH FATHERS," 1 or 2 generations from the actual Disciples/Apostles and using same language to know the true meaning of what was being written.

What they wrote, the Apostles baptized in Book of Acts in Name of Yeshua, Peter COMMANDED to be Baptized in Name of Jesus. Timothy baptized the Eunuch in Name of Yeshua like in Chapter 19, Paul baptized in the Name of Yeshua.

Yeshua is the WORD, the spoken W.O.R.D. from God.

You speak words, those words you speak only reflect you, and no one else.

This is God and how His Spoken WORD works. God speaks, the (His[God's]) WORD then does what was spoken. But the ONE SPEAKING and the ONE DOING are not 2 different Deities, they are ONE and the SAME DEITY. One God using 2 perspectives to fulfill His work. And the Holy Spirit is the personal Spirit of God.

Genesis 3:6 explains that, Yeshua explains (or the Father speaking through His WORD), and Paul explains it.

Paul confirms 2 times that God is ONE PERSON, the Fathers. Mark 12 proves that Yeshua confirms God is One Person, the Father to/with the Scribe.



You have a Bible that is a translation and thoughts of the person WHO TRANSLATED your Bible. But your bible is a translation of Latin Vulgate, translated from the Greek and Hebrew. There is the Aramaic version which is extremely valuable. It's the actual language Yeshua spoke, His Disciples, the Pharisees and others. Of course they spoke Greek and Latin with the Romans, but their language amongst themselves would be native like their Aramaic.

So to know the real factual truths, I read the Torah and the Aramaic with Greek. Yes, I have my English KJV Dake's, but when I compare that to these the originals, wow, there is a lot of missing information plus adding by the English writers. Definitely personal beliefs, not real scriptural facts.

So no, There is only ONE GOD, the FATHER!! But the WORD is a part of the FATHER, because it is the action portion to what the FATHER is saying. The WORD is not an actual Son. It's a Son on basis that all flesh humans are Son/Daughters of God created in His Image. No, the WORD is really the Spoken portion of the Father.

The Messiah is described as the Right hand of Power by the Prophets. God was this Big One Person, but the Messiah would be God's Big One Body actual Right Side representing the Power of God (the Action of what God speaks and Commands). Yeshua is not only the Messiah, but the Spoken WORD of the Father, making the Speaker and the Action of the WORD the SAME PERSON.

This is why there is even a portion of scripture from Paul claiming, Yeshua is the physical Image to the Father's Invisible Image. Or, when Yeshua looks into a mirror He sees Himself as the Father, and when the invisible Father looks into a mirror He sees Himself as the WORD!!
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NeutralZone2

Fri 07/26/19 10:53 PM



English Standard Version (Colossians 1:15)
He [Jesus/Yeshua] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

After you ignored the context to Colossians 1:15--which I bolded within my quotation--you proceeded to give me your personal philosophy, as follows:

iam_resurrected said:
What you refuse to accept, is that the Father is OMNIPRESENT. He could be in Heaven and in the flesh body as Yeshua at the same time!! He is God after all!!

Of course, you still have not answered my original question, as follows:

QUESTION #1 TO iam_resurrected: If Jesus/Yeshua and Jehovah the Father were one and the same why did Jesus/Yeshua inform his disciples: "THE WORDS that I have spoken to you DO NOT COME FROM ME"?


QUESTION #2 TO iam_resurrected: According to Colossians 1:15, Jesus/Yeshua is the firstborn of all CREATION." YES or NO?


NeutralZone2

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... be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath...." (James 1:19-20)


I do not follow nor believe in the idealism that is known as the Trinity!!

I believe in ONE GOD, He is known in the Torah as ELOHIM, "I AM THAT I AM!!" He is known in the Aramaic/Greek New Testaments as "The Father."

To find the best answers for this and many questions of the New Testament, is to read what our "ONENESS CHURCH FATHERS," 1 or 2 generations from the actual Disciples/Apostles and using same language to know the true meaning of what was being written.

What they wrote, the Apostles baptized in Book of Acts in Name of Yeshua, Peter COMMANDED to be Baptized in Name of Jesus. Timothy baptized the Eunuch in Name of Yeshua like in Chapter 19, Paul baptized in the Name of Yeshua.

Yeshua is the WORD, the spoken W.O.R.D. from God.

You speak words, those words you speak only reflect you, and no one else.

This is God and how His Spoken WORD works. God speaks, the (His[God's]) WORD then does what was spoken. But the ONE SPEAKING and the ONE DOING are not 2 different Deities, they are ONE and the SAME DEITY. One God using 2 perspectives to fulfill His work. And the Holy Spirit is the personal Spirit of God.

Genesis 3:6 explains that, Yeshua explains (or the Father speaking through His WORD), and Paul explains it.

Paul confirms 2 times that God is ONE PERSON, the Fathers. Mark 12 proves that Yeshua confirms God is One Person, the Father to/with the Scribe.



You have a Bible that is a translation and thoughts of the person WHO TRANSLATED your Bible. But your bible is a translation of Latin Vulgate, translated from the Greek and Hebrew. There is the Aramaic version which is extremely valuable. It's the actual language Yeshua spoke, His Disciples, the Pharisees and others. Of course they spoke Greek and Latin with the Romans, but their language amongst themselves would be native like their Aramaic.

So to know the real factual truths, I read the Torah and the Aramaic with Greek. Yes, I have my English KJV Dake's, but when I compare that to these the originals, wow, there is a lot of missing information plus adding by the English writers. Definitely personal beliefs, not real scriptural facts.

So no, There is only ONE GOD, the FATHER!! But the WORD is a part of the FATHER, because it is the action portion to what the FATHER is saying. The WORD is not an actual Son. It's a Son on basis that all flesh humans are Son/Daughters of God created in His Image. No, the WORD is really the Spoken portion of the Father.

The Messiah is described as the Right hand of Power by the Prophets. God was this Big One Person, but the Messiah would be God's Big One Body actual Right Side representing the Power of God (the Action of what God speaks and Commands). Yeshua is not only the Messiah, but the Spoken WORD of the Father, making the Speaker and the Action of the WORD the SAME PERSON.

This is why there is even a portion of scripture from Paul claiming, Yeshua is the physical Image to the Father's Invisible Image. Or, when Yeshua looks into a mirror He sees Himself as the Father, and when the invisible Father looks into a mirror He sees Himself as the WORD!!

iam_resurrected:

I asked you two direct questions. You replied with a wall of text--which is what people do when they are dodging questions. I do not have the time nor the inclination to read your above wall of text.

Below, for the last time, are the two questions. Until you stop playing the role of Artful Dodger, this discussion will proceed no further.

QUESTION #1 TO iam_resurrected: If Jesus/Yeshua and Jehovah the Father were one and the same why did Jesus/Yeshua inform his disciples: "THE WORDS that I have spoken to you DO NOT COME FROM ME"?


QUESTION #2 TO iam_resurrected: According to Colossians 1:15, Jesus/Yeshua is the firstborn of all CREATION." YES or NO?



NeutralZone2

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... be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath...." (James 1:19-20)
Edited by NeutralZone2 on Fri 07/26/19 11:09 PM
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Letsgiveitatry

Thu 08/08/19 09:52 PM

Jews?