I am not proposing anything about a generational curse or inheriting the sins of your ancestors so how is it in any way similar?

If an infant is born, lets say in 1100 CE or around that time period, and that child is delivered with a cleft pallet, more than likely if those parents were Christian, they will blame themselves or blame a generational curse of sorts for punishing their child. The other villagers would also shun this person for their deformity because in their minds it was somehow warranted and just.

You have been proposing that people "draw" or "attract" their conditions to them. A few of us have disagreed with that understanding of how the law of attraction manifests itself and in particular in the case of someone who has been born with a pre-existing condition of this nature.

How is this any different? Did that child attract this? Did god punish the parents? Did god punish the child?

I don't have all the answers nor do I know all of the intricate details. I can only give you my opinion and ideas.

Each and every spiritual entity who incarnates into any world as any living creature has their own unique energy and vibrations and experiences from all of their past incarnations which number in the tens of thousands, (who knows how many. I certainly don't.)

When any incarnation into any reality is engaged, the spiritual entity knows and understands the risks, the laws, and the challenges involved for the incarnate. They do it for the experience, the adventure and the games, and to learn the things they are interested in learning or need to learn to advance in their personal journey to/of self. They are guided by their family or their higher self which consist of individual personalities (or life memories) who have been preserved from their other incarnated lives.

When a spiritual energy incarnates into this world it brings its current vibrations with it whatever they are, and I imagine those vibrations have an effect on its birth and incarnate life here prior to even being born.

There are probably many circumstances of birth and death that a spiritual entity will experience good and bad. Each life is for a reason and has a cause and purpose. If it did not have a purpose, it would not have taken place in the first place.

To try to discover every small detail of the cause of any event or life is not my goal in life. I just have a feeling for the law and how it works.

I don't know exactly how my computer works either, but it works for me. I don't need to know all the details.

JB says:



Yes. This would be one of the glaring differences between us. I can speculate and discuss something all I like, however I will not espouse my rendered conclusions until I am capable of supporting them.



If I dont know how something works, I try to learn as much as I possibly can about it until I do understand how it works. This way I can discuss it with others who might be curious.

Well Viva la difference! I am bold enough to share my ideas and opinions even if they cannot be 'supported' to other people's satisfaction.

They are certainly supported enough for me, but I can't spend my life puking up every tiny detail of why I believe the way I do to try to support my beliefs in the eyes of others.

Not much in the spiritual aspect of life can actually be 'supported' including the idea of reincarnation but people talk about it all the time.




That's nice. I learn only what I need to know to accomplish what I want to do. Anything else is a waste of time in my opinion.

If nothing else works there is always Jediism

http://www.thejedi.org/

http://templeofthejediorder.org/

May the force be with everyone who discussed the laws of attraction

Oh come on. When have you seen me back away from a challenge on this forum? My annoyance is that you have opinions on a topic that you can not possibly substantiate yet you insist that you are right and everyone else (who disagrees) is wrong. Yet you can not prove we are wrong. And you can not prove you are right either. We have simply pointed out that your premise has a great many holes. If you were not so determined to "convince other people to their satisfaction" then explain the need to start another thread and argue this for about 3 days now?



Well Im glad that you feel my search for a better understanding of this topic is a "waste of time" . I would disagree.

I don't insist I am right, I believe I am right.

I have always said that the only thing I know for certain is that I exist.

Everything else is just an opinion.

Is that seriously what you were doing?

Well that is not the what the remark I made was referring to.

I am continuing search for knowledge and understanding of this topic, but I am certainly not there yet.

I have thought about all of these same questions that are being asked of me that I just don't have the answer for.

But I am not willing throw out the law of attraction just because I don't have all the answers and details of how things work down to the quantum level of this reality any more than I would throw out my computer because I can't know how every detail of it works.

So I hold what I see works and I keep looking. I don't settle for "randomness" except that it is caused by other separate wills at work that we are not aware of to include the causes that drive the weather and move the planets.

I don't think anything is random but it may as well be because there are so many causes it would be impossible to track them down to the quantum level.

May the force be with everyone who discussed the laws of attraction


Um...The force is the law of attraction.

for one, I believe in the law of attraction. I haven't tested it fully yet, but it makes sense to me. It's why the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. The rich people think like rich people. They think that they have lots of money all the time, so they do. The poor are used to being poor, so that is what they are bringing on themselves unwittingly. Granted, the check I wrote out to myself using the law of attraction didn't mystically get me $20,000, but the principles are sound. In my opinion, any ritualistic behavior outside of the normal routines of people is helpful towards bending reality.


Think happy thoughts.

Welcome! I'm always glad to find another person who believes in the law of attraction. We have had many discussions on that here.

Give yourself a raise.

Here is a funny story:

I was purchasing a book on an online store when a window popped up telling me that if I applied for a certain credit card I would get $30.00 taken off of my book order. All I had to do was apply. So I applied.

But the credit card company declined me credit because they (the computer) said that I did not make enough money.

Now here is the beauty of applying for things via a computer. The computer is not really very smart.

I decided that made me angry. I always pay my bills. I really did not care if I got the credit card or not, because I only wanted my $30.00 dollars off anyway. But I was mad because they declined me because of my income.

So I gave myself a raise. (I work at home)

(I pay myself with I.O.U.'s.)

Anyway, I gave myself a raise and got the credit card. If anyone asks me, I tell them I pay myself with I.O.U's. If they protest I tell them that the Federal reserve notes we think are money, are only I.O.U.'s also, so what's the difference?

If the I.R.S. wants me to pay taxes on my income of I.O.U's they will have to recognize my I.O.U. as legal tender.

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After I did all of that, my income of federal reserve notes doubled. I had begun to think of myself as making more money, and I began making more money. (anyway, more federal reserve notes...)

Law of attraction.

Think more wealthy and you will become more wealthy.

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This is an interesting topic, especially because from personal experience the Law of Attraction seems to contradict itself. When I finally broke away from antiquated belief systems and found my path, I had a sense of purpose and immense inner peace. For all the good that I felt within, my life on the outside was still a complete disaster. I agree that I unconsciously generated a lot of my own "bad luck" previously with my own fear and negative feelings, but if I broke away from that and found inner strength, self-love and confidence, why didn't it change my circumstances on the outside as well since I was not only giving off positive energy but making a conscious choice to see the through the negative and learn and grow from it? The change in attitude seemed to make things worse, despite how stubbornly I worked at maintaining a positive attitude. It in fact drew even more pronounced negative energy, almost like I was wearing a target on my back - "She's grinning again, go kick her arse". I'm not talking for a day or a week, I'm talking a span of years. At what point do you throw up your hands and look for another culprit?

I believe there are life & soul lessons one has to learn, some through extremes no matter how positive they are in the end. I wouldn't call it a curse or bad karma, more like a soul's version of a "thick skull" where one has to be shaken to the core to leave an impression. Unfortunately there aren't that many positive things that can shake us to the core...they're typically initially negative. So you may be out there positively trying to manifest change, and you'll definitely attract change, but guess what, it's going to come at you through disaster anyway.

I wouldn't go so far as to say some people are lucky and others are cursed, but I do feel that some people have an easier path. Why that is, we could discuss/argue/contemplate for eternity and never know for sure. I say if you're a positive person and attract positive energy and experiences, good for you! Just don't mind the rest of us who have a hard go at it no matter what and feel the need to flip you the bird every now and then. It isn't personal. You're a forgiving lot, right?

Thank you Lil2curious for your response.

You can flip the bird at me if it makes you feel better.

Anything that makes you feel better is better for you.

Here is the key to the problem you were having:

"The change in attitude seemed to make things worse, despite how stubbornly I worked at maintaining a positive attitude."

This indicates to me that your "positive attitude" was not genuine. If it were genuine inner joy and peace your life would have probably been different, and every new challenge that came up would have been met with a different attitude and your inner joy and peace would have be the cause of true change.

You can change, by force of will, what your mental attitude is doing but if you do not feel that joy to the core of your being it is only superficial and on the mental plane.

You asked:

"It in fact drew even more pronounced negative energy, almost like I was wearing a target on my back - "She's grinning again, go kick her arse". I'm not talking for a day or a week, I'm talking a span of years. At what point do you throw up your hands and look for another culprit?"

I can understand this situation because I have experienced the same thing. I discovered that no matter how positive and perky I 'tried' to be, nothing worked right. I could not figure it out. But I soon realized that at the core of my being I did not feel free or in charge of my life. I was in the wrong place, and with the wrong person. After I divorced my Husband, the "magic" came back and the inner joy and peace returned to my spirit.

I am not saying that this is your problem but that is one example. If a person feels oppressed, or stifled, or if they really deep down, hate where they are, or hate their job or their mate, they can be as perky on the outside as they want and nothing will work for them the way they think it should.

You cannot fool the law of attraction. Vibrations are vibrations.

That is self honesty and self understanding is extremely important. Can you be honest with yourself about what you want? Are you honest with yourself about your deepest inner feelings? Feelings are so important. Do what gives you the most joy and you will see your life begin to change.

JB

You sound as bad as the Christians Jeannie.

They always say, "Well, Jesus didn't come into your life because you weren't sincere enough".

Sometimes life just sucks, and that's the truth.

Going around trying to claim that there are no victims is truly an insult to people.

The world was dog-eat-dog long before humans came onto the scene.

You have a philosophy that you'd like to believe, and that's fine, but telling other people that they aren't being genuine is nothing short of downright rude.

I've known many sincere people who have been in bad situations simply because the people around them are not sincere. It had nothing to do with their own level of sincerity.

Life just hasn't suggested that the Law of Attraction is true. On the contrary the success rate of those who seem to have benefited from a belief in the law of attraction is far below what we'd expect to see from pure random luck.

Based on what you post about yourself your life doesn't exactly seem to be a bowl of roses. You've said that you'd like to take a vacation to Hawaii, and go to a lot of art shows and win first prize. Are you making those things happen in your life using the Law of Attraction? Or is that all just wishful thinking?

If you're going to preach to other people that they can manifest anything they want, and that they are in full control of what happens to them, then you should be able to be a shining example.

But you're not.

You've even recently confessed that you are bothered by your addiction of posting on these forums and that you were going to quit and do more productive things. But you can't even bring that to fruition.

Clearly if there is any truth to the "Law of Attraction" you have no clue how to implement it anyway since you're obviously just dust in the wind like everyone else.

I think you preach it so hard because you'd like for it to be true, but deep down inside you know that is isn't working for you.

Perhaps what you are really trying to do is convince yourself that you aren't genuine enough in your own positive attitudes and this is why it isn't working for you? So you tell other people what you'd like to believe yourself.

You claim to be the high priestess of the Church of Brutal Truth and Honesty, perhaps it's time you start looking into what really is true for you instead of telling everyone else why your beliefs aren't working for them.

The bottom line is that you can't control the people around you. At best all you can do is ignore their hostilities, or maybe remove yourself from their presence. But any atheist will tell you that avoidance and abstinence will work. Just become a hermit like me, it works quite well let me assure you of this. But it's a principle that will work for any atheistic. No spiritual philosophy required.

The idea behind the Law of Attraction is that if you change your intentions then the world around you will supposedly change its intentions toward you. The idea is that the universe will move to change how other people and things manifest for you. But there's no evidence that such a philosophy is anything more than a spiel used by motivational speakers to try to psyche people up to taking more control of their lives.

Telling other people that their "positive attitude" is not genuine is as gross as Christian proselytizing.

That's just downright rude.

And don't give me that spiel about "Brutal Truth and Honesty", because the brutal truth is that the Law of Attraction doesn't appear to be working for you, so why are you jumping on everyone else's case about it?

That's makes no sense at all.

Get your own act together before you start telling other people that they aren't sincere or genuine.

You're starting to sound as disgusting at those Christian proselytizers when you tell people that they aren't being genuine enough in their intent. That's precisely what the Christians hold. That everyone is rejecting God because they aren't sincere enough to truly want to turn to God.

Well, you're just claiming that everyone is rejecting the Law of Attraction because they aren't sincere enough to truly want to make their lives better. That's hogwash. And rude.

The reason I said what I did is because of how she described her problem:

"The change in attitude seemed to make things worse, despite how stubbornly I worked at maintaining a positive attitude."


"Stubbornly working at maintaining a positive attitude...."
This does not sound like joy or peace to me. It does not sound like happiness either. It sounds like a struggle.

Perhaps people just don't know how to be "happy." I don't know what to tell them. I do sympathize with that plight because I went through that very same thing.... struggling to maintain a positive attitude.... when in truth I was very unhappy where I was and where I was headed.

It is impossible to maintain a sincere positive attitude if you are miserable, depressed, and unhappy with where you are and where you are going and what you are doing.

The first step is to change that. Take steps to change the situation that is making you unhappy. Any steps at all, even tiny ones. Decide to change it.

I share my personal experiences only in order to help someone else... but hey if a person feels better by believing that none of it works and that they are cursed then who am I to interfere? Some people just like to complain.

As far as my own life is concerned, I am very happy with it. I don't really have any complaints. I work at home for myself, I do my art, Darla and me are about to finish our tarot project and I am getting a lot of painting done. I still have goals for my life and that is what makes it worth living. Yes I have lots of room for improvement and there are lots of challenges to face, but that make life interesting. Above all, I feel joy and gratitude. There is no better feeling than that.

Why do you believe that I "want to control" people around me? That is absurd. I have no desire to do that at all. If someone complains (to me or on a thread I started) that the law of attraction "does not work" for them because of blah blah blah, I will be honest with them and tell them what I think the reason is.

If they are insulted by that, (as you think they should be) then perhaps they just wanted to complain about their life.

No the law of attraction will never work for everyone because most people "try" it a few times, it doesn't work and they revert back to complaining instead of delving into the reasons why it is not working for them.

If you are unhappy, oppressed, depressed,angry,sad, etc. and you are not doing something to change whatever is behind those feelings, stubbornly forcing your mind to try to practice "positive thinking" simply will not work, especially if you are using affirmations with negatives in them. Like:

I do not smoke.
I am not angry.
I will not think about negative things.
I am very happy. (when you know you are not.)

etc etc.

(You have to verbalize and affirm things that you can actually believe.)

"I'm going to win the lottery." .....will not work when your inner mind is laughing at the thought with disbelief.

There are right ways and wrong ways to make these creative techniques work and if you don't care to learn to do them the right way then they won't work.

Hey if you are sick of hearing me "preach" then I invite you to scroll right over my posts. It is your choice. But if only one person can improve their life or understanding by anything I write then it is worth all of the scorn and criticism anyone dishes out.




I have always been very generous at sharing what I have and what I know... it may not be valuable or important to most people but I am willing to share anything I have.

I have a question for Jeannie. If I think more wealthy should I spend more as though I am already wealthy?

The mistake people make sometimes is that they spend more money then they have and they go into debt.

When you really want something, do not say to yourself "I can't afford that." This is what many people repeatedly say to themselves and that statement keeps them in the poverty consciousness.

Instead say: "I intend to have that."

And then proceed to picture yourself obtaining the thing that you want through normal means, by trade or by earning the money to pay for the thing you want.

Do not go into debt to get the thing you want, know that the money you need to purchase the thing you want and the means to get that money is on its way to you because you have stated your intentions and you are willing to see the opportunity when it arrives to obtain your goal.



There is nothing you cannot have if you intend to have it and if you use normal, honest and creative means to get it. It will not be handed to you as soon as you wish for it or without any effort on your part, nor will it appear out of thin air. It will come to you by normal means and by your own intention and effort, not by wishful thinking.

If you have a regular income, it is a good idea to pay yourself first. Put away 10 percent of every dollar that comes to you for the thing you want.

Use your regular income to pay your expenses and debts and do not go into debt by spending more than you are receiving.

Use the creative techniques to increase your income.

OK, I know that this is an old thread, but I dohave a comment, if anyone is interested. I have an animal deck that is based on (broadly and loosely) Native American views of the animals of North America. (It is a divination-type deck, but NOT a Tarot deck, as it doesn't have the Major and Minor Arcana, and the suits.) The Rabbit card in this deck, when reversed, is likened to rabbit saying something like," Hawk, go away." Even if Hawk isn't there. Rabbit then says," Hawk, leave me alone," a bit louder. This goes on, louder each time, until Hawk comes along and makes Rabbit his lunch. Conversely, in the upright position, the Rabbit card represents a sense of humor. Maybe, like Rabbit calling bad things to him, when we are negative in our views that's what we get back. But when we view our world, and the universe, with positivity and humor, that is what we get back.

You have read "The Secret" haven't you? I only just heard about it a couple of weeks ago, but I plan to get it.

Rabbit Medicine

I have never read "The Secret" but it is the same principle. I think the best books to read on the law of attraction are the Esther and Jerry Hicks books. They have written a few. The basic book is "The Law of Attraction" and the next one to read is "Ask and it is Given."

For a free look at this principle from Wallace D. Wattles, read his book "The Science of Getting Rich" It can be found on Wikipedia and has 17 Chapters.