I'm in 100% agreement with you Ruth!
Both of these authors come across as being quite arrogant, IMHO. They both act like they hold the final absolute truth. I don't understand why that's such a highly contagious attitude that people seem to get when speaking to spritual issues.
I don't feel that Penczak is like that at all. On the contrary he's constantly making it clear that what he's giving he reader is merely his own personal views and perceptions. And he constantly encourages the reader to do what calls to them. Even even includes topics and sections in his books where he says things like, "The following is wisdom I learned from such-and-such a culture or folklore, it doesn't personally do anything for me, but in case you might find some value in it, here it is,... blah blah blah. So he's really sharing all he knows, even stuff that he personally doesn't feel called to.
I think if I would have started out with these other books I would just tossed them in the trash right away. However, now that Penczak has opened my eyes (thanks to you!), I can see the truths behind the BS in the writings of others.
For example today, I read quite a bit of Introduction to Hermetics. As I read it my thoughts were quite mixed, because one minute I'm finding myself saying, Yes! Yes! Yes! You do understand! And then in the next passage I'm like saying, No! No! No! You idiot! You just missed the very point you had just made!
So it's kind of an up and down type of thing.
But in truth, I'm actually getting a lot out of it. No exactly "new material" but new inspiring ways to look at concepts I'm already starting to get a handle on. So the information is indeed useful, and like you suggest with your 'working out' example. I'm sure both of these guys have learned the art of Magick and have benefitted from this knowledge. That's probably why they feel so strongly about the idea that they found the "real deal".
But like you say, there are many "real deals". It's a diamond with many facets and it looks different from every angle so everyone sees it differently. That doesn't mean that anyone is wrong, they just view it differently.
Although in a sense this Franz Bardon book can almost be said to be flat out "wrong". But that's simply because he uses a really bad analogy. He's comparing Fire with properties Electricity, and Water with properties of Magnetism, and he does this the whole way through the chapter, only at the very end does he say, "By the way, this has nothing at all to do with any scientific ideas of electricity or magnetism."
Well, if that's true then why even go there in the first place?
A bad analogy is just plain confusing, IMHO. Although in truth, since I do see the extremely abstract ideas he was attempting to get at, but that ONLY because I already have a clue. If I was just starting out I would have NO CLUE what the heck he's talking about.
I wouldn't bother touching his analogies with a ten foot broom. Why bother with stupid analogies that don't even make any sense? Why not just get down to the real nitty gritty. Fire and Water in a spiritual sense have absolutely nothing to do with Fire and Water in an Eartly sense, other than use use them as the
symbols for these spiritual concepts. Just like the Moon isn't the Moon Goddess, it's just the physical
symbol for the Moon Goddess and it's a fantastic symbol because of it's periodic waxing and waning, etc. And all the other properties it has such as ebbing the flow of tides, and it's soft feminine luminessence, etc. But to think that the Moon is
actually the Goddess is a completely misunderstanding.
The same is true for the four elements Earth, Air, Fire and Water. These are
spiritual concepts not chemical elements like the earliest physicists first thought. These are totally
abstract elements:
Earth = manifestation (the ability to manifest things in the physical)
Air = Logos (the ability to think and reason, also akin to "form" or in
formation)
Fire = Creativity (the ability to be creative and actually come up with new ideas, insights and information)
Water = Pathos (the ability to FEEL EMOTION and create the feelings of emotion in others, be it Love, apathy, hate, or whatever)
These are the four elements given to us by the Great Magi.
And Spirit is the Will. Spirit is the driving force behind it all. Spirit is what we ultimately are. We are Will. And it is through our Will (Spirit) that we bring Fire, Air, and Water together to form the Earth.
I need to write my own book on Magick. But I'm not going to claim that my view is the only view. I'm just going to say, "Here's a view for whatever it's worth". Do with it as you will.
Edited by
Abracadabra
on Mon 06/28/10 07:13 PM