They are both wrong. The cops should have seen to Mr. Gray's medical needs. Violence remains also wrong. The whole community in Baltimore are condemning the police for what was done and the rioters for what they have done. That includes all ethnicities in this area.

the cops ARE the reason he needed medical attention in the first place. did they help him? no they shackled him in a patty wagon after he was already injured, then most likely drove around like a-holes on purpose to hurt him even more and teach him a lesson. while he's 6 feet under, these guys are on PAID leave. SMH

Actually he had the injuries prior to the cops from and accident and had just had surgery. He was selling drugs for being arrested. The cops did not cause the injury. When he resisted arrest, the injury did cause a problem due to the force used. He should have been in bed recovering not on the streets. The surgery was one week prior to this incident. The cops as soon as he related he was hurt should have taken him to the hospital. There is no situation like this that does not carry some fault on the victims. Ethnicity should never be a factor.

Sojourning_Soul stated >>>
The earth is becoming over populated. The Western nations live a life of waste and excess and complain when more and cheaper isn't coming. There probably isn't a child in most 3rd world countries who wouldn't gladly trade places with a bum on Western streets or a child in the worst Western ghetto.

Police, like our military, experience and live a life most can't understand or begin to comprehend. Not every Vet who comes home has a psych problem, some do. Not every police officer deals with the worst of society every day, some do. Like our Vets, some become the life they live. They expect the worst from those they encounter, are aggressive and receive what they view as aggression in return. A defensive action becomes a threat, answered by superior aggression which can become fatal..... often senseless.

I don't agree with the training and weapons our police are receiving. Our streets are NOT battlefields! I think our police should receive routine evaluations of their abilities to continue if there is excessive violence in their behavior or field of operation. They have at their disposal weaponry, tactics and training used in war..... and our city councils think they won't seek to use them?

They are a necessary evil, with a tough job to do, and it eats at you.

We allow this police state by not challenging these appropriations. By being too pre-occupied with our own lives to worry about the effects of these actions over the long haul and to what end.

Sadly it is poverty, too many laws, too many regulations, corrupt government on all levels effecting education, jobs, business, the public welfare.... basically, BIG GOVERNMENT SOCIALISM that is the problem!

Our forefathers saw this as a threat and gave us a Constitution limiting the scope of government and its power over the people. They gave us a Bill of Rights set forth in the first 10 amendments to protect us from what they knew governments and empires would seek to take from us in their growth, turning us from a Republic into a Democracy which they could control by the propaganda of media, influencing votes, elections, which in turn gives them power over education, the public trust.

Look at the joke our safety, our Constitution, has become! What amendment within the Bill of Rights have they not violated and infringed upon? Name ONE!

The police state is by our own design through their onslaught to our senses, their feeding of our excessiveness, the distractions of media offerings, sports, reality TV, bombarded by commercialism to feed our weakness.

Why is half our population on food stamps? Why are we ALL in debt? The bailouts, did they do anything for you? Most people lost their jobs, their homes, 401 Ks, savings, families, so banks and corporations supporting their empire would not fail!

Police are people too, and many are just like you and I, but as govt makes our streets a war zone, takes away our will, ability and tools to fight against them, the power of a badge can turn a common man into the soldier mentality..... and people, they have proclaimed us the enemy!

If someone runs and looks suspicious, doesn't a cop have a right to stop him?

Actually running away from police gives them probable cause to stop and question nowadays. If had not of run he may not have even been stopped.

Actually running away from police gives them probable cause to stop and question nowadays. If had not of run he may not have even been stopped. If he had walked away rather than ran it may have been different. He should have been home resting after a surgery such as he had to begin with. The cops are definitely negligent in their actions as well. Probable cause especially since he had a rap sheet for distribution and manufacturing already. Police have a duty to ensure safety for those arrested. They did not fulfill their duty and are definitely negligent. There is fault on both sides. The police should lose their jobs. I see a court case coming regarding their negligence. All three will be dismissed.

Soujourning: you had this kind of surgery. How long did it take you to recover? Certainly longer than a week, I am sure.

Ok, give us a citation, no pun, of the law.

WRONG! You might want to learn your rights and the law a little better. There is this little thing called "probable cause" and that takes a presumption of guilt. If running is evidence of that, Joggers beware!

He hadn't been placed under arrest so he was not "running from police"

I was up and around in 4 days. It slowed me quite a bit. I don't think I could have done any running....still can't

I do now my rights, and how to fight the system. Problem is they made laws that are against the Bill of Rights. In essence taking those rights away through law and law interpretation. You know how smart I really am. It will come to war you know and I know in the eventuality.

smart of him, if i had the money i would definitely do the same. $h!t is gettin crazy.

We need lawyers on this thread. I found this nugget:

The Court was also clear to reiterate prior caselaw that running from the police, on its own, is not a suspicious enough fact to create “reasonable suspicion”, making it justifiable to stop a person and perform an investigation. Therefore, running from the police does not give them a reason to stop you. It is, however, a suspicious fact and coupled with other factors may create a reasonable suspicion. It has been held that running from police in a high crime high drug trafficking area CAN create reasonable suspicion.

well I agree.. time to get out of Dodge, Brother... so where are you heading?.. Where is that safe haven? Are you ready to give up that U.S. citizenship .. head for higher grounds?.. where exactly might that be?