Topic: Ireland - Gay Marriage
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SassyEuro2

Sat 05/23/15 01:08 PM

May, 23,3015
FoxNews. com

Ireland votes YES to gay marriage.
Traditionally Catholic nation.
Has voted 62.1% YES on gay marriage referendum, in what is seen as a landslide victory for gays rights advocates.


*Well.... Get ready for Gender Fluidity with your Shamrocks, quilts & bagpipes * spock
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CowboyGH

Sat 05/23/15 01:14 PM

will only be as valuable as the paper it's written on. God never permitted, instructed, or other with homosexual marriage. Actually speaks against homosexual's actions and only speaks for marriage to be between a man and woman.
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SassyEuro2

Sat 05/23/15 01:23 PM

Does this mean they are NO longer Roman Catholic or under the POPE ?
Or are they now Excommunicationed by choice. ?
* Church isn't going to change*
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Datwasntme

Sat 05/23/15 01:46 PM

safer i think if i dont touch this forum

best wishes : )
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soufiehere

Sat 05/23/15 01:47 PM

Yay!!!
Finally.
Most people must be dragged kicking and
screaming into the new millennium.
But, right is right, so I am most happy
for gays :-)
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irisheyes56

Sat 05/23/15 02:12 PM

Proud day for Ireland.
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CowboyGH

Sat 05/23/15 02:16 PM


will only be as valuable as the paper it's written on. God never permitted, instructed, or other with homosexual marriage. Actually speaks against homosexual's actions and only speaks for marriage to be between a man and woman.


As a matter of fact, it goes even further into being an oxymoron. The reason for marriage is to spend all eternity with that person. But that isn't even remotely possible for a homosexual couple.

1 Corinthians 6:9

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites,
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Conrad_73

Sat 05/23/15 02:33 PM


will only be as valuable as the paper it's written on. God never permitted, instructed, or other with homosexual marriage. Actually speaks against homosexual's actions and only speaks for marriage to be between a man and woman.

and what makes you so sure the Book you are referring to has it right?laugh
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PaulaMcke

Sat 05/23/15 02:38 PM

Totally agree Ireland should be proud lets hope others follow suit.
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2OLD2MESSAROUND

Sat 05/23/15 03:25 PM

Oh, Ireland --- how far you've come in your Human Rights, just in my generation! So proud of your achievements!

Not only the IRA {volunteer/freedom fighters} VS the Catholic forces within their own country the women were struggling for basic rights as well >>>

Ten things an Irish woman could not do in 1970 (and be prepared to cringe...)
But there was much more to the 1970s that the tragedy in the North. In his fascinating Ambiguous Republic - Ireland in the 1970s,* Diarmaid Ferriter brilliantly appraises that tumultuous time where the old ways of doing things were being challenged. It was, he says, a time when ‘old moulds were broken’.

Perhaps the most dramatic social change in the twenty-six counties was in the status of women; that is in the lives of our mothers, sisters, partners, aunts and nieces. Fintan O’Toole, journalist and commentator, compiled 10 things that women could not do in 1970 for the Irish Times:

1. Keep her job in the public service or a bank when she got married

Female civil servants and other public servants (primary teachers from 1958 were excluded from the so-called "marriage bar" ) had to resign from their jobs when they got married, on the grounds that they were occupying a job that should go to a man. Banks operated a similar policy.

How it changed

The marriage bar in the public service was removed in July 1973, on foot of the report of the first Commission on the Status of Women. In 1977, the Employment Equality Act prohibited discrimination on the grounds of gender or marital status in almost all areas of employment.

2. Sit on a jury

Under the 1927 Juries Act, members of juries had to be property owners and, in effect, male.

How it changed

Mairín de Burca and Mary Anderson challenged the Act and won their case in the Supreme Court in 1976. The old Act was repealed and citizens over 18 who are on the electoral register are eligible for juries.

3. Buy contraceptives

The 1935 Criminal Law Amendment Act banned the import, sale and distribution of contraceptives. Some women were able to get doctors to prescribe the Pill as a "cycle regulator" or to fit devices such as the cap. In 1969, the Fertility Guidance Clinic was established in Dublin and used a loophole in the law to give away the Pill for free. (It was thus not being sold. ) Most rural and working class women had no access to contraceptives.

How it changed

The Commission on the Status of Women in 1972 delicately suggested that "parents have the right to regulate the number and spacing of their family" but stopped short of an open demand for contraception. The Rotunda Hospital, the Irish Family Planning Association and student unions began to distribute contraceptives. The law, however, changed very slowly. The McGee case of 1973 established a right to import contraceptives for personal use, but did not allow them to be sold. A Bill to allow for controlled access was defeated in 1974. In 1979, in an infamous "Irish solution to an Irish problem", an Act was passed to allow doctors to prescribe contraceptives to married couples only. A 1985 Act allowed contraceptives to be sold to anyone over 18 but only in chemists. The IFPA and Virgin Megastore were prosecuted for selling condoms in 1991. Later that year, the sale of contraceptives was liberalized.

4. Drink a pint in a pub

In 1970, some pubs refused to allow women to enter at all, some allowed women only if accompanied by a man and very many refused to serve women pints of beer. Women who were accidentally served a pint would be instructed to pour it into two half-pint glasses.

How it changed

Women's groups staged protests in the early 1970s. In one instance, Nell McCafferty led a group of 30 women who ordered, and were served, 30 brandies. They then ordered one pint of Guinness. When the pint was refused, they drank the brandies and refused to pay as their order was not served. In 2002, the Equal Status Act banned gender discrimination in the provision of goods and services. It defined discrimination as "less favorable treatment". Service can be refused only if there is a reasonable risk of disorderly or criminal conduct.

5. Collect her children's allowance

The 1944 legislation that introduced the payment of children's allowances (now called child benefit ) specified that they be paid to the father. The father could, if he chose, mandate his wife to collect the money, but she had no right to it.

How it changed

Responding to the report of the Commission on the Status of Women, the 1974 Social Welfare Act entitled mothers to collect the allowance.

6. Get a barring order against a violent partner

In 1970, a women who was hospitalized after a beating by her husband faced a choice of either returning home to her abuser or becoming homeless. Abusive spouses could not be ordered to stay away from the family home, leaving many women little choice but to seek refuge elsewhere.

How it changed

Women's Aid campaigned for changes in the law, and in 1976 the Family Law Act, Ireland's first legislation on domestic violence, enabled one spouse to seek a barring order against the other where the welfare or safety of a spouse or children was at risk. The orders were for three months and were poorly implemented. In 1981, protection orders were introduced and barring orders were increased up to 12 months.

7. Live securely in her family home

Under Irish law, a married woman had no right to a share in her family home, even if she was the breadwinner. Her husband could sell the home without her consent.

How it changed

Under the Family Home Protection Act of 1976, neither spouse can sell the family home without the written consent of the other.

8. Refuse to have sex with her husband

In 1970 the phrase "marital rape" was a contradiction in terms. A husband was assumed to have the right to have sex with his wife and consent was not, in the eyes of the law, an issue.

Women's adultery was also specifically penalized in the civil law, the notorious tort of "criminal conversation" or "CrimCon": a husband could legally sue another man for compensation for sleeping with his wife.

How it changed

The Council for the Status of Women urged the creation of a crime of marital rape. In 1979 the Minister for Justice Gerard Collins declined to introduce legislation to this effect. Even when new legislation on rape was introduced in 1981, the situation did not change. It was not until 1990 that marital rape was defined as a crime. The first trial, in 1992, collapsed within minutes. The first successful prosecution for marital rape was in 2002.

Crim Con was abolished by the Family Law Act (1981 ). The Act also, as a dubious quid pro quo, abolished the right to sue for "breach of promise" of marriage - an ancient provision that was occasionally used by jilted women, although it was in theory also available to men.

9. Choose her official place of domicile

Under Irish law, a married woman was deemed to have the same "domicile" as her husband. This meant that if her husband left her and moved to Australia, her legal domicile was deemed to be Australia. Women, who could not get a divorce in Ireland, could find themselves divorced in countries where their husbands were domiciled.

How it changed

Acting on a report from the Law Reform Commission, the Fine Gael junior minister for women's affairs Nuala Fennell drove forward the Domicile and Recognition of Foreign Divorces Bill in 1985. It granted married women the right to an independent domicile.

10. Get the same rate for a job as a man

In 1970, almost all women were paid less than male colleagues doing the same job. In March 1970, the average hourly pay for women was five shillings, while that for men was over nine. In areas covered by a statutory minimum wage, the female rate was two-thirds that of men.

How it changed

Legislation on equal pay was introduced in 1974 and employment equality legislation followed in 1977, both as a result of European directives.

http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/57301/ten-things-an-irish-woman-could-not-do-in-1970-and-be-prepared-to-cringe
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And now look at ya...AMAZING and the strength that this vote from all those young people demanding equality --- and all in my life time too! There is hope and it burns eternally for such a repressed nation to have done such a grand thing! AWESOME!!!
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joethebricky

Sat 05/23/15 03:26 PM


Yay!!!
Finally.
Most people must be dragged kicking and
screaming into the new millennium.
But, right is right, so I am most happy
for gays :-)

Yes I agree with that but there are already some, even in this thread, sharpening their knives.
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SassyEuro2

Sun 05/24/15 02:55 AM


Does this mean they are NO longer Roman Catholic or under the POPE ?
Or are they now Excommunicationed by choice. ?
* Church isn't going to change*


Wow.. Sooo much Googling ... laugh
Trying to get answers on what changes ( if any) for the 2 major denominations, (or just this ONE group)
This could take a months trying to do all FOUR major religious & branch offs.. rofl
I'll message you or text you what I find out :angel:

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LUNG1954

Thu 06/11/15 11:53 PM


will only be as valuable as the paper it's written on. God never permitted, instructed, or other with homosexual marriage. Actually speaks against homosexual's actions and only speaks for marriage to be between a man and woman.

Prophet Lut was a cousin of Abraham, and Abraham's wife, Sarah was the sister of Lut.
The Folk of Prophet Lut was afflicted a bad job "sodomy"
The village sodomites were on the road to Syria
God decimated them by hands of Gabriel. Till now there are a lot of black rocks Ruins in the region where the people of Lut lived.
Quran; The people of Lut rejected (his) warning. We sent against them a violent Tornado with showers of stones, (which destroyed them), except Lut's household: them We delivered by early Dawn,- As a Grace from Us: thus do We reward those who give thanks. And (Lut) did warn them of Our Punishment, but they disputed about the Warning. (33-36)
Edited by LUNG1954 on Thu 06/11/15 11:56 PM
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Ɔʎɹɐx

Fri 06/12/15 12:34 PM



will only be as valuable as the paper it's written on. God never permitted, instructed, or other with homosexual marriage. Actually speaks against homosexual's actions and only speaks for marriage to be between a man and woman.

Prophet Lut was a cousin of Abraham, and Abraham's wife, Sarah was the sister of Lut.
The Folk of Prophet Lut was afflicted a bad job "sodomy"
The village sodomites were on the road to Syria
God decimated them by hands of Gabriel. Till now there are a lot of black rocks Ruins in the region where the people of Lut lived.
Quran; The people of Lut rejected (his) warning. We sent against them a violent Tornado with showers of stones, (which destroyed them), except Lut's household: them We delivered by early Dawn,- As a Grace from Us: thus do We reward those who give thanks. And (Lut) did warn them of Our Punishment, but they disputed about the Warning. (33-36)

well , don't worry , no need to disturb god and ask him to send tornadoes anymore ... his true followers "ISIS" terrorists are working to get rid of gay community by throwing anyone who is suspected to be a gay from the highest place in his town , thanks to quraan and other "holy" books that justify terrorism .
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-ruthless-militants-throw-gay-5624710
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Submaran16

Fri 06/12/15 12:37 PM

whatever LUNG says ^^ whoa
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Ɔʎɹɐx

Fri 06/12/15 12:38 PM

congratulations to Ireland , civilization in any modern community is measured by civil rights that are being respected and given to its citizens ...
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RebelArcher

Fri 06/12/15 01:26 PM

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Submaran16

Fri 06/12/15 01:36 PM

Just donate the sandwiches to Subway.
Edited by Submaran16 on Fri 06/12/15 01:37 PM
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SheikOfLaBroquerie

Fri 06/12/15 01:39 PM

Yes, Ireland has been predominantly Catholic and a proponent of the Trinity Doctrine.

In doing so the people have become predisposed to this sexuality.

The Apostle Paul explains why in his letter to the Roman congregation. (Romans 1: 25-28)

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In short... When You worship the creation rather than the Creator this is what is fated to occur.
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LUNG1954

Fri 06/12/15 10:15 PM




well , don't worry , no need to disturb god and ask him to send tornadoes anymore ... his true followers "ISIS" terrorists are working to get rid of gay community by throwing anyone who is suspected to be a gay from the highest place in his town , thanks to quraan and other "holy" books that justify terrorism .
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-ruthless-militants-throw-gay-5624710


ISIS is a political organization in religion face.
''No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL'��s victims have been Muslim,'' Obama said. ''ISIS is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. And it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stand in its way.''
Edited by LUNG1954 on Fri 06/12/15 10:24 PM