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Topic: The "paradigm shift": Is the 2nd Amendment obsolete?

Well, if the NRA DID say that "an armed society is a polite society," they were obviously full of crap from top to bottom. The bulk of history , AND the bulk of modern experience shows the opposite again and again.

Something that many gun rights proponents say which IS true, and that they should actually listen to themselves, is this:

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

That, more than anything else, proves the "polite society" saying false.

It also points clearly to the logic that if people kill people, and not guns, then it is PEOPLE who need to be regulated, and not guns.

LTme

Sat 06/13/15 07:38 AM

"It also points clearly to the logic that if people kill people, and not guns, then it is PEOPLE who need to be regulated, and not guns." IF

oh
You mean like the current licensing scheme.

isaac_dede

Sat 06/13/15 10:13 AM

again Osaka school massacre......but that didn't get as much media attention because it doesn't fit their current narrative.

isaac_dede

Sat 06/13/15 10:15 AM

one could even argue that the trade tower atrocitie was the cause of knives, thr hijackers didnt use guns...they used blades....therefore knives were what started this current war

LTme

Sat 06/13/15 10:36 AM

"it doesn't fit their current narrative." id

Excellent.
Another unsubstantiatable conspiracy theory.
- the press is partial to gun stories, not blade stories (despite the fact the attacks of 09/11/01 were about the most over-covered news story of the new Millennium)
- the press is partial to car crash stories
- and fire stories
- train derailments

What a steaming heap of bovine %$#@.

"hijackers didnt use guns...they used blades....therefore knives were what started this current war" id

There were 4 skyjackings that day.
Only 3 of four made it to target.

If each of the skyjacker each had an Uzi machine pistol, there would have been one less building in DC that afternoon; I'm guessing the capitol, but perhaps the White House.

Thanks again Todd!

msharmony

Sat 06/13/15 10:46 AM

it always turns into the extreme of banning all guns

I agree, those who support such a measure are illogical

it would be like BANNING cars

however, to have some EXPECTATIONS of people that drive is different than banning drivers,, having requirements that need to be met,, is different than BANNING driving

same is true of having a gun,, to have expectation of the gun user or requirements is a different thing than BANNING,,,

or did we just BAN voting, when we passed laws making it mandatory to show identification,, even though voting is a 'right'?

Conrad_73

Sat 06/13/15 10:57 AM

you still don't get it,do you?

go try buy a Firearm without showing some ID,proving that you are a Citizen,same as in voting! laugh

BTW,driving a Car is a privilege,not a Right!
You really ought to look up the difference,and stop bringing up those Strawmen!
There is one you know! bigsmile

and you really think Obama and his Minions are blowing Bubbles when they are talking about banning Guns,Obama foremost!
He is the Ultimate Hoplophobe!

http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-rights-advocate-obama-said-people-shouldn-t-be-able-to-own-guns

want it any more explicit than that?

Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 06/13/15 11:14 AM

msharmony

Sat 06/13/15 11:19 AM

well if citizens have the voting rights, it makes sense to be required to prove citizenship,, same with if citizens have gun rights, makes sense to be required to prove citizenship in that case too,,

and when you can show me a definitive authority on what constitutes 'privilege' vs' right', Ill be glad to learn it,, right now they are pretty vague terms constitutionally and legally speaking which are constantly being interpreted and re interpreted

and hearsay is not considered explicit,,,

I could say you told me you dont think women should live,, wouldnt make it true or factual,,,

Conrad_73

Sat 06/13/15 11:21 AM

It's actually Lott quoting Obama!
Feinstein is also on record about banning Guns!
And so are a bunch of other Politicians,so it is hardly "Hearsay"!

But you are welcome to accompany Stallone going Door to Door collecting them!

Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 06/13/15 11:24 AM

Conrad_73

Sat 06/13/15 11:22 AM

tomato86

Sat 06/13/15 11:24 AM

"what would stop them from walking into school with katana's and stabbing everything in sight." g8

Seriously?!

This talentless pencil-neck?!

If he was a 3rd degree black belt, or samurai, I might agree.
This dork couldn't open a letter with a katana.

You miss the point g8.

Guns do all kinds of awful things.
- They can fire a projectile at an innocent person's head or heart, and kill them instantly.

- Guns can blast wound-channels into vital tissue, inflicting fatal injury, leaving the shooting victim to suffer, enter shock, and die.

BUT !!!

One thing the gun does that broadsword cannot:

The gun empowers the weak against the strong.

Make up your own examples.

And to my knowledge, this is unprecedented. I can't think of any other human invention that accomplishes that.

But as Lord Acton is reported to have warned:

"Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

As an NRA life member I'm familiar with the slogan.

An armed society is a polite society.

Whether the NRA's utopia, where most or every man & woman is "packin' heat" would result in fewer firearms murders than our status quo, I don't know.
Stats and indications on that seem to be mixed.

FIREARMS

Taken to Sandy Hook Elementary:

Izhmash Saiga 12-gauge semiautomatic shotgun
Bushmaster Model XM15-E2S .223-caliber semiautomatic rifle
Glock 20 10mm semiautomatic handgun
Sig Sauer P226 9mm semiautomatic handgun

MAGAZINES

Taken to Sandy Hook Elementary:

Two 12-gauge shotgun magazines
10 30-round .223 magazines
6 30-round 9mm magazines
6 30-round 10mm magazines

AMMUNITION

Taken to Sandy Hook Elementary:

20 12-gauge shotgun rounds
301 rounds of .233-caliber ammunition
116 rounds of .9mm ammunition
90 rounds of 10mm ammunition

so he was too weak to wield a sword, but he could wield all these weapons no problem? and how would those weak little wrists of his be able to handle the recoil on a 10mm pistol?

Edited by tomato86 on Sat 06/13/15 11:28 AM

tomato86

Sat 06/13/15 11:29 AM

maybe they should start by taking people off the anti-physcotic meds ALL of the recent mass murders have been on... if you really want to blame, then blame the phrama companies and doctors that prescribe these like candies...

i agree moe, no one ever wants to address the cause of "why did he do it" (big pharma pills) they only want to address "how did he do it" (guns)

isaac_dede

Sat 06/13/15 11:41 AM

op...new York City is gun free right?
...

so obviously New York City has to be one of the safest places to live with the least amount if gun violence correct?

tomato86

Sat 06/13/15 11:43 AM

op...new York City is gun free right?
...

so obviously New York City has to be one of the safest places to live with the least amount if gun violence correct?

just like chicago. laugh

msharmony

Sat 06/13/15 12:01 PM

depends upon the list

http://www.deseretnews.com/top/1497/10/1-Hawaii-10-states-with-the-lowest-amount-of-gun-violence.html

based upon this one the top threestates with least gun violence are Hawaii , Massachusetts, and Connecticut

based on gun ownership rate, from highest to lowest

Hawaii ranks 49
Massachusetts ranks 46
and

Connecticut ranks 19

so two out of the three, do happen to also have the lowest rate of gun ownership

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/06/28/states-with-the-most-guns.html

of course numbers can show what we want them to, and tweaking them to only reflect a certain period, or specific cities instead of states,,,etc,,,

may come up with different rankings,,

Edited by msharmony on Sat 06/13/15 12:02 PM

LTme

Sat 06/13/15 08:37 PM

" he was too weak to wield a sword " t8

Why would you assume muscular strength was the only issue, when I specifically mentioned proficiency; that's what the:

"3rd degree black belt, or samurai" Lm

comment was about.
But even if his muscular strength was tripled, it still wouldn't have enable him to kill as many at his massacre as he was able to with his firearms arsenal.

It might be possible, for a person with athletic build, superior reflexes, quick wit; and years of martial arts training and experience.

But a stranger off the street picking up a sword and hoping to be proficient with it?
I
don't
think
so.

Even the 09/11/01 skyjackers are reported to have drilled with their box-cutters, by slitting the throats of live goats.
Just having one in your pocked doesn't make you Bruce Lee.

msharmony

Sat 06/13/15 08:45 PM

I dont care who it is,, its someone CLAIMING That someone said something to them,,not definitive

Feinstein may be on record, but he is also not Obama, he is Feinstein

its HEARSAY if the person can not be proven to have said it,,,,

and once again, me, like most people arent supportive of taking all guns from everybody, or 'banning' all weapons

we are for common sense 'regulation'(that 'regulated' militia) in terms of the mental and physical capacity for the owner to HANDLE a gun without putting others in danger,,,

RebelArcher

Sat 06/13/15 08:54 PM

Feinstein may be on record, but he is also not
Obama, he is Feinstein

Feinstein is a "she".

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