Not with people who have views about life that are at best ignorant and worst blatantly racist.

A flag is merely a symbol, which is intended to represent something. To some, it represent brotherhood. Others, independence, or even racism.

But hear this. The north often treated immigrant workers much worse than the majority of slaves were treated in the south.

These issues are not so black and white.

Well let's step back for a moment and use some deductive logic shall we?

1) This current movement is based on a perceived hate crime. A white man shooting black people. Ok. Pretty simple really. As a reaction to this, there is now a movement to purge symbols of perceived hatred from society. Again. Pretty simple concept.
2) So in keeping with this thought process, I move that all traces of Martin Luther King be expunged from American society as we know it. Buildings need to be renamed, and statues need to come down.

How can I even for a moment think that anything Doctor King ever did is even remotely similar to what Dylan Roof did? Pretty simple actually.

In the mid 1950's, having been threatened on numerous occasions, Doctor King applies for a weapons permit to protect his home and family. His application was actually denied. He then stocked his home with firearms provided by family and friends. His intent in having these weapons would have been to shoot people, specifically WHITE people, that he perceived to be a threat to him,his family, and way of life. You know, kinda like how Dylan Roof is said to have seen African Americans.

Only through pure luck, there is never an attack on the King home which requires Doctor King to commit a racially charged homicide using the weapons he at the time kept illegally in his home. To his credit, he later removes the weapons, as he sees they are not consistent with his non-violent approach to dealing with the issues of racial strife in America.

So, forgetting his contributions to mankind, and approaching this from a PURELY logical and legal point of view, MLK kept weapons illegally in his home, and was prepared to kill the white people that he perceived as a threat. Dylan Roof had a LEGAL weapon and killed people HE perceived as a threat. You can definitely argue that one was a nutbag, and the other merely engaging in legitimate self defense. I will strongly suggest to you however that there are people out there who think MLK was the nutbag. THAT is the actual problem you face as a society.

Well let's step back for a moment and use some deductive logic shall we?

1) This current movement is based on a perceived hate crime. A white man shooting black people. Ok. Pretty simple really. As a reaction to this, there is now a movement to purge symbols of perceived hatred from society. Again. Pretty simple concept.
2) So in keeping with this thought process, I move that all traces of Martin Luther King be expunged from American society as we know it. Buildings need to be renamed, and statues need to come down.

How can I even for a moment think that anything Doctor King ever did is even remotely similar to what Dylan Roof did? Pretty simple actually.

In the mid 1950's, having been threatened on numerous occasions, Doctor King applies for a weapons permit to protect his home and family. His application was actually denied. He then stocked his home with firearms provided by family and friends. His intent in having these weapons would have been to shoot people, specifically WHITE people, that he perceived to be a threat to him,his family, and way of life. You know, kinda like how Dylan Roof is said to have seen African Americans.

Only through pure luck, there is never an attack on the King home which requires Doctor King to commit a racially charged homicide using the weapons he at the time kept illegally in his home. To his credit, he later removes the weapons, as he sees they are not consistent with his non-violent approach to dealing with the issues of racial strife in America.

So, forgetting his contributions to mankind, and approaching this from a PURELY logical and legal point of view, MLK kept weapons illegally in his home, and was prepared to kill the white people that he perceived as a threat. Dylan Roof had a LEGAL weapon and killed people HE perceived as a threat. You can definitely argue that one was a nutbag, and the other merely engaging in legitimate self defense. I will strongly suggest to you however that there are people out there who think MLK was the nutbag. THAT is the actual problem you face as a society.

Dr.King had actual threats, Dylann Roof had no perceived threats, he is simply a terrorist who wished the like-minded to follow suit.

One was a noble man, the other a terrorist.

Well let's step back for a moment and use some deductive logic shall we?

1) This current movement is based on a perceived hate crime. A white man shooting black people. Ok. Pretty simple really. As a reaction to this, there is now a movement to purge symbols of perceived hatred from society. Again. Pretty simple concept.
2) So in keeping with this thought process, I move that all traces of Martin Luther King be expunged from American society as we know it. Buildings need to be renamed, and statues need to come down.

How can I even for a moment think that anything Doctor King ever did is even remotely similar to what Dylan Roof did? Pretty simple actually.

In the mid 1950's, having been threatened on numerous occasions, Doctor King applies for a weapons permit to protect his home and family. His application was actually denied. He then stocked his home with firearms provided by family and friends. His intent in having these weapons would have been to shoot people, specifically WHITE people, that he perceived to be a threat to him,his family, and way of life. You know, kinda like how Dylan Roof is said to have seen African Americans.

Only through pure luck, there is never an attack on the King home which requires Doctor King to commit a racially charged homicide using the weapons he at the time kept illegally in his home. To his credit, he later removes the weapons, as he sees they are not consistent with his non-violent approach to dealing with the issues of racial strife in America.

So, forgetting his contributions to mankind, and approaching this from a PURELY logical and legal point of view, MLK kept weapons illegally in his home, and was prepared to kill the white people that he perceived as a threat. Dylan Roof had a LEGAL weapon and killed people HE perceived as a threat. You can definitely argue that one was a nutbag, and the other merely engaging in legitimate self defense. I will strongly suggest to you however that there are people out there who think MLK was the nutbag. THAT is the actual problem you face as a society.

A flag is merely a symbol, which is intended to represent something. To some, it represent brotherhood. Others, independence, or even racism.

But hear this. The north often treated immigrant workers much worse than the majority of slaves were treated in the south.

These issues are not so black and white.

were those immigrant workers, subservants for LIFE, ? and were their children from birth

it wasnt about ones occupation, so much as ones race

agreeing to conditions, however detestable, due to desperation for a living


is different than being FORCED into them from birth,,

I am amazed how people these days think the constitution protects them from being offended. In fact, it does no such thing. In Amercica you have no right not to be offended. On the contrary, your being offended cannot infringe on my right to offend you. If someone wants to fly the confederate flag that is absolutely their right, if you are offended, tough. If they want to fly the nazi flag, the flag of the former USSR, the christian flag, a flag representing islam, that is their right. Again, if you're offended, tough.

When the government starts to tell us we are not allowed to offend each other, well that is the end of freedom.

Go ahead offend me, like my forefathers, I'll put my life on the line to defend your right to do so.


Democracy is a very messy business and never easy.

wrong, that flag is rooted in racism, death and destruction as well as a symbol of dehumanization of an segment of society.

You can honor it all you wish, I prefer to dishonor it because it does not represent the principles I believe in.

It does not represent truth, justice or equality.

Then would you agree that we need to ban red and blue bandanas? More people have died as a result of the GENOCIDE perpetrated by the bloods and crips than the recorded amount of slave deaths at the hands of Southern plantation owners.

Then would you agree that we need to ban red and blue bandanas? More people have died as a result of the GENOCIDE perpetrated by the bloods and crips than the recorded amount of slave deaths at the hands of Southern plantation owners.

And you are wrong, more people HAVE NOT DIED as of a result of bloods and crips, that is total non sense and completely false.

Hundreds of Black towns were leveled during just one summer. The infamous RED SUMMER of 1919 alone saw thousands upon thousands of ethnic type cleansing in America. We can examine every incident from the Draft Riots to Rosewood to Tulsa Oklahoma. Whereas the bloods and crips started in the late 60s.

Stop!!! White terrorism upon Blacks in America is well documented, and any attempt at minimizing such crimes with the crimes by gangbangers is absolutely obsurd.

But white people aren't the only ones who are guilty of slavery OR racism. It was OTHER Africans that sold black people into slavery. And there's a woman of color here in my hometown, matriarch of her church, that will preach "racial purity" all day long. And don't get me started with racially motivated terrorist groups like the Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers.

Nation of Islam is not a terrorist group,, they dont go around threatening anyone