I gave this analogy to a young friend of mine.

if every Friday I host a party every friday and generally always have 3 kegs of beers and snacks, say I charge a cover of $5 dollars to everyone entering the front door, they gladly pay it knowing they will be able drink and have a good time for most the night, and if I run out of beer I can afford to go get more with the cover charge. .

now lets say occasionly I sneak someone in the back door without paying because I know he can't really afford it, no one really cares it doesn't affect them,

but now let's say the people going in the back door start out numbering the people coming in the front I now have to start charging more at the front door say $10 even though they are probably not getting as much because they have to share it with those who either can't, or pretend they can't pay. Of course at this point people that are coming in the front door realize they are paying more and getting less because they have to share it with those who can't or refuse to pay. of course there is animosity at this point between those coming in the front and those coming in the back, and If as the house owner I keeo charging those coming in the front mire and more because the backdoor crowd is growing so fast, eventually it will get to where those in the front won't be able to afford to shell out enough to take care of the backdoor crowd.

so what we end up doing is charging so much that the front door crowd becomes the backdoor crowd and everyone is standing around asking "where's the beer?"

so no I don't think its a good idea to just "open our borders" unless we have a clear plan on how doing do will MAKE the country money, instead of COST the country money.

currently I live in one of the most expensive and heavily taxed cities in the U.S approximately 40% of my income is taking for taxes, our roads are crap, our police are understaffed, and other 'services' are underfunded as well.

however many people I know are on assistance, one actually netting more than my girlfriend who works a full time kob

I'm not against helping people, but I am against being stupid about How Much, How Long, and Why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi0RpNSELas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6cE4DJUb_o

If there are caught here illegally they would never have a chance at citizenship. We would have prisons made up for Illegal's who are caught. It would be hard time, not club Fed or the free vacation modern prison is. They would be doing hard labor and or making products to sell to help cover the costs of running the prison. Also all prison documents and signage would be printed in English only and no translators, they can use another prisoner for that. Some motivation to learn English. We don't adapt to them, they adapt to us.

The wall would be completed, there would be more Border Patrol and Ice Agents, more CCTV on the fence, drones flying 24/7 patrolling our border and equipped with GRP to locate the tunnels. Also the Coast Guard would get a boost in people in equipment to protect the waterways from Illegal's and Narco Subs. They would get drones as well.

If the penalty is harsh, it is more of a deterrent.

Also the Anchor Baby law would be gone.

Those, dear lady, would be exiles or refugees. Those fleeing from political, religious racial persecution etc. Those who are fleeing from illegitimate sorry ignoble sumbitches (replacement for a less accurate acronym) who would otherwise be needlessly slaughtered for no reason are such an example and yes there are global (largely U.S.) protection and humanitarian aid organizations like red cross/ crescent, U.N., NATO, good necessary causes. The number of a hole dictators governments militants would seem to be going down but they aren't. So the need for refugee camps aid stations immigration to countries that aren't next door neighbors don't solve those problems like they used to.
Take Bosnia i.e. It split into Bosnia-Herzegovina. Today's refugee doesn't stop five miles or so into the next country and pitch a tent. They come from Iraq to Sweden, Italy, China, Japan, the U.S. anywhere, they get help from the gov'ts in some cases or join a group already in place and take jobs housing... that should be ours and they send money back so their buddy can buy sharper knives to hack heads of of aid workers in the country they didn't have to leave. I know zealous 'jihadi's' don't describe all immigrants nor do drug cartels or international gangs. Those are the reasons that Americans in particular turn red when you say the word immigrant. There are cases where a woman may try to leave an abusive man but crossing into America is pretty difficult unless they live in northern Tijuana.
Distinct difference between exiles, refugees, and immigrants.

Hmm, here in New Zealand on our National news they are referred to as migrants.... But yes refugees, internally displaced persons and asylum seekers is an accurate description.
I can see why there is a confusion/misunderstanding of this topic to those in the USA...

you might want to revise your Figure on the Chinese Population!
Seems a we bit high!


The population of China is estimated at 1,393,783,836 as of July 1 2014. China's population is equivalent to 19.24% of the total world population. China ranks number 1 in the list of countries by population. The population density in China is 145 people per Km2.
Population of China (2015) - Worldometers
www.worldometers.info/world-population/china-population/

I agree with about 96.4% of your proposal. The monkey wrenches are the private prison system on the stock exchange revolving doors and the cost/value to the wall/land border, and the in effect blockade.
The coastguard/ICE/border control collaborative would easily outscale our Navy + we'd have to create another coast guard to take on their own ridiculously gigantic mission. Those guys and girls are heros anyway you cut it. Anyway, the last monkey wrench is the 'American Gangster' reality. Americans buy tons of drugs that can't be sourced in the U.S. period. They get through pretty often. The 'war on drugs' doesn't cross our southern border it's a war on Americans on American soil.
Add to that the drugs that are being made in Amethica are also being made in Methsico and South Amethica in mass quantities. America imports their variety of products, and we shell out big bucks for them. There's private airplanes that have been operating import markets for decades. Frank Lucas was real George Jung was real and they weren't the source, they were logitsticians, middlemen. There are hundreds if not thousands of them now. It is undoubtedly unfortunately a business, and it has grown and diversified to meet various demands.
As for the wall in particular, even if a great wall of America was built it wouldn't deter chaote from becoming mariners and charging more for their 'services'. Anyone who has been out on the open ocean where you can't see land in any direction can tell you that you can't catch everything. There's entirely too much water and too much coastline. Any parachute deployed over the U.S. would have to be tracked as well and if the number of drone incidents near airports in restricted airspace are any indication this is quite literally mission impossible. . .
We'd need China's population dedicated to the line of defense. Isaac's analogy is very fitting for immigrants, not actual refugees. I'll take Conrad's numbers on the Chinese but that point is the same. Revocation of the anchor baby policy is an absolute must especially for Chinese who are limited to how many children they are allowed to have there. India's middle and upper castes who can afford to send their children abroad to study medicine and law. Also the sanctuary cities have to relinquish that --stupidity--, no other way to say it.
The key to immigration reform in the U.S. in particular regardless of their rap sheet is not putting them in American jails and prisons or detention centers. yes. Here's why.
Prisons, state, Federal, and private (worst offenders) have limitations and quotas. One cancels the other unless we build more prisons (tax payers and locals notice things like this sometimes). The prisons work somewhat like isaac's analogy. The quota and the capacity dictate the stay more than the crime dictates the sentence. The most profitable prisoner is the short stay, not an actual lifer. A criminal on the street ensures police job security and court fines fees legal fees tickets... The way to hide prisons from citizens is to make thempprivate. Their stock varies depending on their capacity, capacity drops with growth (new prisons) and law enforcement and court quotas rise based on the available positions. This works great for the private companies like CCA, and police forces that need or are able to grow, but their capacity is limited by their jurisdiction. Nypd will not spill over into Pennsylvania or Maine. CCA however is able to funnel returns where population growth is high, crime rate is high, or where the stateor city jails and prisons are overrun aging or not profitable enough to warrant new state funded prisons. Illegal immigrants factor into this heavily, bolstering low quotas alleviating cap room or bursting capacity where a new prison is wanted. One entity actually stands to profit from this, the private stock traded prison companies.
Sanctuary cities serve as 'loading docks', citizens unemployment goes up, crime rates increase and when immigrants have scraped up enough under the table they move somewhere nicer and send their anchors to school. All that said they do some jobs that are difficult or nasty but Americans have become a bit less picky about their jobs because cost of living is through the roof.
Catch them, no i.d., no VISA, no passport, no greencard, put them on bus to Tijuana. Period. No exceptions. No incubation period, if they have criminal records hand them off to Mexican prisons. Repurpose Guantanamo, let them eat tortillas. To hell with a wall that makes it harder to find their entry points, leave a 2' 6' door open 24/7 with attack dogs and armed guards and start shooting down private planes that don't answer the towers with pre planned flight plans and manifestos. Anything drug person found by customs results in immediate permanent revocation of citizenship and exile for Americans and death penalty for non Americans.
Cruel sounding, I know. But it WOULD work combined with strengthening our navy's cruisers enough to put fear in the hearts of smugglers and chaotes.

^ For illegal immigrants chaotes and smugglers, not expatriates who enter legally documented on temporary Visa or refugees.

It's inhumane to use babies as anchors. It's also ineffective.

Um ... . that "law" that you refer to is a Constitutional Amendment.

to illegal immigrants i would give one thing only.

a trip back home


now as far as legally entering immigrants

i would provide work in the government sector (a job that matches their skill set) for the duration of the nationalization process

and also for the duration of the naturalization process some form of education access pertinent to assimilation into the local society

1. They already have those jobs and
2. 'Assimilation' begining and ending where? They're already well trained in spending as little money as necessary in the U.S. and sending the rest home. Forcing <our> language and any religion on them would be unconstitutional and hypocritical.

Actually, there never was a "Anchor Baby" law. The "law" used to create anchor babies is the 14th amendment that refers to anyone born in the US being a citizen of the country under whose jurisdiction they exist. Diplomats having children in the US have children who are citizens of their parent's country, not the US.

All that would have to happen to end the anchor baby problem is for Congress to declare that illegals are under the jurisdiction of the country they are from just like a diplomat, regarding births.

Without such a clarification, the courts have ruled that the 14th amendment applies to everyone else, except diplomats.

yes, if a war were to start here in the US, i wouldn't run to another country and "hope for the best"... in case no one has noticed, it's illegal to just "invade" another country, no matter the country...