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msharmony

Sat 11/28/15 11:05 AM






http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/

Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims.

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those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year?


According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has "leveled off" as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans
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Between 1% - 5%??.. it doesn't seem to be too popular within the black community anymore. Seems like a lot of blacks lost interest in the own " holiday" and heritage What's up with that?







alot of blacks are fully indoctrinated in western culture and traditions and there is no commercialism in Kwanzaa,, to appeal to them,,


They should have a "Black Kwanzaa Day" at all Walmart's for blacks only.happy


no need, kwanzaa isnt meant to be based in or focused around consumerism

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msharmony

Sat 11/28/15 11:08 AM



ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


slaphead Of course black people can have holidays. slaphead

But NO group, no matter what kind, can CHANGE a holiday for another group or feel forced or obligated to include another or all groups or try to remove the holiday, or force their holiday on another group.
* This is where we disagree*
My point is Freedom of Religion, not from religion.





what group is 'black friday' aimed at

and what group is trying to change it for those who wish to engage in it?


many reasons people CHOOSE to not participate in black friday and other holidays


but noone is 'forced' to do or not do anything,,,(as it related to black friday)
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devildog123

Sat 11/28/15 12:51 PM


ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


Sure they can have their holidays. But 95% of blacks do not celebrate Kwanzaa. It is up to each ethnic group to build on their holiday, teach the tradition to their young, celebrate their heritage... right?

So it would seem that they really don't want it.. wouldn't it.
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Conrad_73

Sat 11/28/15 02:30 PM



ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


Sure they can have their holidays. But 95% of blacks do not celebrate Kwanzaa. It is up to each ethnic group to build on their holiday, teach the tradition to their young, celebrate their heritage... right?

So it would seem that they really don't want it.. wouldn't it.


who would want to celebrate a phony Holiday invented by a convicted Felon?laugh
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devildog123

Sat 11/28/15 03:24 PM




ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


Sure they can have their holidays. But 95% of blacks do not celebrate Kwanzaa. It is up to each ethnic group to build on their holiday, teach the tradition to their young, celebrate their heritage... right?

So it would seem that they really don't want it.. wouldn't it.


who would want to celebrate a phony Holiday invented by a convicted Felon?laugh


you have a good point...I guess Hallmark was pretty pissed to ( when it failed to take off)... all that marketing and card design work... for nothing...not cheap to do.. they are selling on the web for 70% off.. In business, that's one step before the trash bin.
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msharmony

Sun 11/29/15 03:35 AM



ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


Sure they can have their holidays. But 95% of blacks do not celebrate Kwanzaa. It is up to each ethnic group to build on their holiday, teach the tradition to their young, celebrate their heritage... right?

So it would seem that they really don't want it.. wouldn't it.



asked and answered :indoctrination, cultural disassociation, and consumerism,,,
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msharmony

Sun 11/29/15 03:44 AM




ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


Sure they can have their holidays. But 95% of blacks do not celebrate Kwanzaa. It is up to each ethnic group to build on their holiday, teach the tradition to their young, celebrate their heritage... right?

So it would seem that they really don't want it.. wouldn't it.


who would want to celebrate a phony Holiday invented by a convicted Felon?laugh


no such thing as a 'phony' holiday,, peopel can celebrate whatever they want

and people who arent experts at AD HOMINEM logic(digging up and criticizing the character of the messanger instead of addressing the message)

want to celebrate alot of holidays whose origins may not have come from the most upstanding of times or people

llike Independence day celebrating a date when blacks were still property and not human beings

and thanksgiving celebrating how pilgrims thanked natives with a meal right before the period that those same natives were hunted, killed, isolated, and oppressed,,


BUT,the IDEA of gaining independence, and the IDEA of being thankful still stand as concepts to admire and celebrate

as do the concepts of Kwanzaa

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devildog123

Sun 11/29/15 04:25 AM




ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


Sure they can have their holidays. But 95% of blacks do not celebrate Kwanzaa. It is up to each ethnic group to build on their holiday, teach the tradition to their young, celebrate their heritage... right?

So it would seem that they really don't want it.. wouldn't it.



asked and answered :indoctrination, cultural disassociation, and consumerism,,,


which equals blacks don't give a **** about their "holiday".. for whatever reason.. bottom Line Lol
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msharmony

Sun 11/29/15 04:28 AM





ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


Sure they can have their holidays. But 95% of blacks do not celebrate Kwanzaa. It is up to each ethnic group to build on their holiday, teach the tradition to their young, celebrate their heritage... right?

So it would seem that they really don't want it.. wouldn't it.



asked and answered :indoctrination, cultural disassociation, and consumerism,,,


which equals blacks don't give a **** about their "holiday".. for whatever reason.. bottom Line Lol



some blacks dont care, some dont know

bottom line
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devildog123

Sun 11/29/15 04:43 AM






ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


Sure they can have their holidays. But 95% of blacks do not celebrate Kwanzaa. It is up to each ethnic group to build on their holiday, teach the tradition to their young, celebrate their heritage... right?

So it would seem that they really don't want it.. wouldn't it.



asked and answered :indoctrination, cultural disassociation, and consumerism,,,


which equals blacks don't give a **** about their "holiday".. for whatever reason.. bottom Line Lol



some blacks dont care, some dont know

bottom line


Lol.. yeah.. o.k.
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Conrad_73

Mon 11/30/15 12:31 AM





ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


Sure they can have their holidays. But 95% of blacks do not celebrate Kwanzaa. It is up to each ethnic group to build on their holiday, teach the tradition to their young, celebrate their heritage... right?

So it would seem that they really don't want it.. wouldn't it.


who would want to celebrate a phony Holiday invented by a convicted Felon?laugh


no such thing as a 'phony' holiday,, peopel can celebrate whatever they want

and people who arent experts at AD HOMINEM logic(digging up and criticizing the character of the messanger instead of addressing the message)

want to celebrate alot of holidays whose origins may not have come from the most upstanding of times or people

llike Independence day celebrating a date when blacks were still property and not human beings

and thanksgiving celebrating how pilgrims thanked natives with a meal right before the period that those same natives were hunted, killed, isolated, and oppressed,,


BUT,the IDEA of gaining independence, and the IDEA of being thankful still stand as concepts to admire and celebrate

as do the concepts of Kwanzaa



actually,the Guy is conning you all!laugh
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SassyEuro2

Mon 11/30/15 01:07 AM




ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


slaphead Of course black people can have holidays. slaphead

But NO group, no matter what kind, can CHANGE a holiday for another group or feel forced or obligated to include another or all groups or try to remove the holiday, or force their holiday on another group.
* This is where we disagree*
My point is Freedom of Religion, not from religion.





what group is 'black friday' aimed at

and what group is trying to change it for those who wish to engage in it?


many reasons people CHOOSE to not participate in black friday and other holidays


but noone is 'forced' to do or not do anything,,,(as it related to black friday)


You can't spin your way out of this. You are the one attempting to defend Obama, Sharpton & Farrakhan for suggestioning that people (who give thanks to Jahwah & Yeshua) should invite Muslims to Thanksgiving dinner.
* I guess that includes Canada Thanksgiving too * slaphead

OMG! The (Unholy) Trinity of black men suggested it...so in your mind it must be a good idea.. & 'just an American thing'

Let's stick with Independence Day, (which again is for ALL Americans)
We can throw some ribs & sausage on the grill & wait to see who's head will spin off.

:angel:
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Conrad_73

Mon 11/30/15 01:35 AM





ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


Sure they can have their holidays. But 95% of blacks do not celebrate Kwanzaa. It is up to each ethnic group to build on their holiday, teach the tradition to their young, celebrate their heritage... right?

So it would seem that they really don't want it.. wouldn't it.


who would want to celebrate a phony Holiday invented by a convicted Felon?laugh


no such thing as a 'phony' holiday,, peopel can celebrate whatever they want

and people who arent experts at AD HOMINEM logic(digging up and criticizing the character of the messanger instead of addressing the message)

want to celebrate alot of holidays whose origins may not have come from the most upstanding of times or people

llike Independence day celebrating a date when blacks were still property and not human beings

and thanksgiving celebrating how pilgrims thanked natives with a meal right before the period that those same natives were hunted, killed, isolated, and oppressed,,


BUT,the IDEA of gaining independence, and the IDEA of being thankful still stand as concepts to admire and celebrate

as do the concepts of Kwanzaa


got a Bridge I could sell you!
It's across the River Kwai,but,what the Heck!laugh
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devildog123

Mon 11/30/15 04:33 AM

llike Independence day celebrating a date when blacks were still property and not human beings
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So are you saying America should not celebrate independence from England (the birth of our nation) because the civil war had not happened yet?

Why does " black" work its way into everything you say?... Agenda

Are you serious..Lol
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msharmony

Mon 11/30/15 05:08 AM






ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


Sure they can have their holidays. But 95% of blacks do not celebrate Kwanzaa. It is up to each ethnic group to build on their holiday, teach the tradition to their young, celebrate their heritage... right?

So it would seem that they really don't want it.. wouldn't it.


who would want to celebrate a phony Holiday invented by a convicted Felon?laugh


no such thing as a 'phony' holiday,, peopel can celebrate whatever they want

and people who arent experts at AD HOMINEM logic(digging up and criticizing the character of the messanger instead of addressing the message)

want to celebrate alot of holidays whose origins may not have come from the most upstanding of times or people

llike Independence day celebrating a date when blacks were still property and not human beings

and thanksgiving celebrating how pilgrims thanked natives with a meal right before the period that those same natives were hunted, killed, isolated, and oppressed,,


BUT,the IDEA of gaining independence, and the IDEA of being thankful still stand as concepts to admire and celebrate

as do the concepts of Kwanzaa



actually,the Guy is conning you all!laugh


or perhaps the media is conning 'you all'


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msharmony

Mon 11/30/15 05:11 AM





ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years?

GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,,

so why all the whinging about it?


slaphead Of course black people can have holidays. slaphead

But NO group, no matter what kind, can CHANGE a holiday for another group or feel forced or obligated to include another or all groups or try to remove the holiday, or force their holiday on another group.
* This is where we disagree*
My point is Freedom of Religion, not from religion.





what group is 'black friday' aimed at

and what group is trying to change it for those who wish to engage in it?


many reasons people CHOOSE to not participate in black friday and other holidays


but noone is 'forced' to do or not do anything,,,(as it related to black friday)


You can't spin your way out of this. You are the one attempting to defend Obama, Sharpton & Farrakhan for suggestioning that people (who give thanks to Jahwah & Yeshua) should invite Muslims to Thanksgiving dinner.
* I guess that includes Canada Thanksgiving too * slaphead

OMG! The (Unholy) Trinity of black men suggested it...so in your mind it must be a good idea.. & 'just an American thing'

Let's stick with Independence Day, (which again is for ALL Americans)
We can throw some ribs & sausage on the grill & wait to see who's head will spin off.

:angel:


the definition of 'spin' is not consenting opinion,,

I love how that word is so overused though


I dont need to 'defend' anyone for suggesting people share a meal with others,,,, or was thanksgiving also not for 'everyone' ?


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msharmony

Mon 11/30/15 05:16 AM


llike Independence day celebrating a date when blacks were still property and not human beings
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So are you saying America should not celebrate independence from England (the birth of our nation) because the civil war had not happened yet?

Why does " black" work its way into everything you say?... Agenda

Are you serious..Lol



tunnelvision abounds

black isnt my agenda, its just noticed whenever I comment on what OTHERS bring up about blacks,, (For some reason)

being a black person, I feel like I may have some insight that should be welcomed instead of ALWAYS, ALWAYS attacked or having those who bring these topics up try to besmirch my opinions with complaints/accusations of 'spin',, or 'agenda'

But Im not one to complain, Im a grown up, Im aware of the different techniques people use in debates,, particularly ad hominem

and to answer your question


no , IM not saying that at all, quite the contrary

Im saying, people celebrate the 'meaning' of a holiday, not the people behind it

the example was that the 'indendence day' ( a specific date that we celebrate) was created to celebrate a SPECIFIC day of 'independence' when blacks still didnt have theirs,,,,


but the CONCEPT of independence is why the celebration exists,, it doesnt exist to celebrate the PEOPLE involved on that day,,,,

just as thankgsiving isnt meant to celebrate pilgrims
and kwanzaa isnt meant to celebrate any INDIVIDUAL either,,,,
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alleoops

Mon 11/30/15 10:55 AM

and I always thought that Kwanza was the currency of Angola. slaphead
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Conrad_73

Mon 11/30/15 10:57 AM


and I always thought that Kwanza was the currency of Angola. slaphead

One KWANZA equals 0.00000000000000000000000001 US$?laugh
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alleoops

Mon 11/30/15 11:01 AM



and I always thought that Kwanza was the currency of Angola. slaphead

One KWANZA equals 0.00000000000000000000000001 US$?laugh

Then, they should rename it...Nada.laugh