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Topic: Russian Passenger Plane Crash In Egypt
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Conrad_73

Tue 11/03/15 08:12 AM



Moe could not use your link..for some reason. It was weird. But did get it off of Conan's.

Okay..so the 'heat flash' radar claim is just coming out now? How many days after... The first report of the down plane in Egypt ? I think the story broke & I made the thread about 30-48 hrs later.


thats why he reposted it without saying anything...drinker (the "s" in the http was still there)

they are investigating, you know they don't revel anything till they know more... they know it's was a bomb inside the plane, that video i posted shows it pretty well... it wasn't a missile...
bigsmile
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SassyEuro2

Tue 11/03/15 08:11 AM

they are investigating, you know they don't revel anything till they know more... they know it's was a bomb inside the plane, that video i posted shows it pretty well... it wasn't a missile...

I am just suspicious & speculating because a passenger plane & mentioning the children & their ages..over & over, would bring on a lot of empathy from anyone who might have objections about war or involvement.
* It is not like it would be the first time people were sacrificed or children were used for empathy. Look at CNN with the migrants ... Children crying over & over again * JS spock
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SassyEuro2

Tue 11/03/15 08:52 AM

A Pentagon official tells Fox News 'there is no way' a Russian airliner that crashed Saturday in the Sinai 'was brought down by a missile or anti-aircraft fire,' though intelligence officials are not yet ruling out some sort of terrorist act.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/03/us-embassy-in-egypt-warns-staffers-not-to-travel-in-sinai-after-plane-crash/
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mightymoe

Tue 11/03/15 09:52 AM


A Pentagon official tells Fox News 'there is no way' a Russian airliner that crashed Saturday in the Sinai 'was brought down by a missile or anti-aircraft fire,' though intelligence officials are not yet ruling out some sort of terrorist act.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/03/us-embassy-in-egypt-warns-staffers-not-to-travel-in-sinai-after-plane-crash/


i read that a couple of airlines decided not to fly over the area anymore until it's cleared up
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fsaguy29

Tue 11/03/15 01:29 PM

my first thought was a bomb in the checked luggage or cargo hold just like air India 182 or Pan Am 103 the circumstances of the 3 crashes are all eerily similar for more information on the older crashes see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103
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mightymoe

Tue 11/03/15 01:38 PM


my first thought was a bomb in the checked luggage or cargo hold just like air India 182 or Pan Am 103 the circumstances of the 3 crashes are all eerily similar for more information on the older crashes see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103


yea, maybe... i think metalwing has it right when he said bomb in the tail section... i'm not sure if anything is stored back there
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Conrad_73

Tue 11/03/15 03:13 PM



my first thought was a bomb in the checked luggage or cargo hold just like air India 182 or Pan Am 103 the circumstances of the 3 crashes are all eerily similar for more information on the older crashes see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103


yea, maybe... i think metalwing has it right when he said bomb in the tail section... i'm not sure if anything is stored back there

nothing big,just big enough to breach the Bulkhead!
Decompression will take care of the rest!
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motowndowntown

Tue 11/03/15 03:51 PM

In 1985, Japan Airlines Flight 123 suffered an explosive decompression caused by a faulty repair carried out seven years earlier after a tail strike; the Boeing 747's rear pressure bulkhead failed 12 minutes into the flight and it crashed into a mountainside, killing 505 of the 509 passengers on board. The rear pressure bulkhead is a sealed wall, between the back of the passenger cabin and the tail of the plane, which maintains the cabin pressure during flight.
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germanchoclate1981

Wed 11/04/15 04:49 PM

In flight infrared flash detected. If it were an rpg or missile that brought it down there would have been an infrared trail marking the path of the missile. It wasn't a trail it was a flash. On the news today they said passengers near the tail, by the pressure bulkhead damaged in the tailstrike 14 years ago on this very plane, had shrapnel in their bodies. Airborne breakup + infrared flash + bodies with shrapnel from the back of the plane + Isil taking credit for this twice = ....
How do you say "it was a bomb" in Russian?
Targeting a plane with structural damage 14 years ago, that's kinda scary.
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Rock

Wed 11/04/15 07:15 PM

Heard on news radio tonight, that an isis missile struck the Russian plane.



NHI
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mightymoe

Wed 11/04/15 07:22 PM


Heard on news radio tonight, that an isis missile struck the Russian plane.



NHI


you sure? seems more like a bomb...anyone say CIA?

http://www.theage.com.au/world/britain-suspends-flights-from-sinai-citing-bomb-fears-20151104-gkr1lq
Edited by mightymoe on Wed 11/04/15 07:24 PM
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germanchoclate1981

Wed 11/04/15 08:59 PM



Heard on news radio tonight, that an isis missile struck the Russian plane.



NHI


you sure? seems more like a bomb...anyone say CIA?

http://www.theage.com.au/world/britain-suspends-flights-from-sinai-citing-bomb-fears-20151104-gkr1lq

Seeing as how Putin's dropping bombs on targets inside Syria with jets to help Assad, it makes sense for isil to have used the internet to recruit someone inside Russia with knowledge and access to the flight records and the Russian airport itself. I imagine they had less of a security presence before this happened but they might be taking some TSA like measures in the near future. A.A. missiles may be attainable by theft siege or purchase but they aren't as easily concealed for travel through checkpoints in Egypt. Unlike a derringer or .380 you can't use an A.A. missile to shoot someone who discovers it onthe ground. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's impossible, but the infrared and radars would know exactly where that missile launched from its i.R. sensed path and where it struck the plane. A planted bomb seems much more likely given the evidence. Someone mentioned the flight recorder was damaged, that doesn't happen when the explosion is in the back of the plane and the fuselage breaks up in the air. Sounds deliberate, maybe the late climb before the explosion was the pilots struggling with the hijacker/bomber.
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mightymoe

Wed 11/04/15 09:10 PM




Heard on news radio tonight, that an isis missile struck the Russian plane.



NHI


you sure? seems more like a bomb...anyone say CIA?

http://www.theage.com.au/world/britain-suspends-flights-from-sinai-citing-bomb-fears-20151104-gkr1lq

Seeing as how Putin's dropping bombs on targets inside Syria with jets to help Assad, it makes sense for isil to have used the internet to recruit someone inside Russia with knowledge and access to the flight records and the Russian airport itself. I imagine they had less of a security presence before this happened but they might be taking some TSA like measures in the near future. A.A. missiles may be attainable by theft siege or purchase but they aren't as easily concealed for travel through checkpoints in Egypt. Unlike a derringer or .380 you can't use an A.A. missile to shoot someone who discovers it onthe ground. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's impossible, but the infrared and radars would know exactly where that missile launched from its i.R. sensed path and where it struck the plane. A planted bomb seems much more likely given the evidence. Someone mentioned the flight recorder was damaged, that doesn't happen when the explosion is in the back of the plane and the fuselage breaks up in the air. Sounds deliberate, maybe the late climb before the explosion was the pilots struggling with the hijacker/bomber.


they don't have any weapons that hits a plane at 31,000 feet...
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Rock

Wed 11/04/15 09:51 PM



Heard on news radio tonight, that an isis missile struck the Russian plane.



NHI


you sure? seems more like a bomb...anyone say CIA?

http://www.theage.com.au/world/britain-suspends-flights-from-sinai-citing-bomb-fears-20151104-gkr1lq


I'm not an eye witness to the event.
But, I am sure, that's what was on news radio earlier.

If you'll recall...
During the start and early phase of
"Operation Iraqi freedom", many an Iraqi convoy carried "unspecified" equipment into Syria.

Iraq, did have Soviet style sams missiles. So, it's entirely possible, that isil and isis, both have access to anti aircraft weaponry.
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mightymoe

Wed 11/04/15 10:08 PM




Heard on news radio tonight, that an isis missile struck the Russian plane.



NHI


you sure? seems more like a bomb...anyone say CIA?

http://www.theage.com.au/world/britain-suspends-flights-from-sinai-citing-bomb-fears-20151104-gkr1lq


I'm not an eye witness to the event.
But, I am sure, that's what was on news radio earlier.

If you'll recall...
During the start and early phase of
"Operation Iraqi freedom", many an Iraqi convoy carried "unspecified" equipment into Syria.

Iraq, did have Soviet style sams missiles. So, it's entirely possible, that isil and isis, both have access to anti aircraft weaponry.


yea, but 31,000 feet takes a special kind of sam
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metalwing

Thu 11/05/15 12:41 AM

It wasn't a missile. The plane was too high for anything but the most sophisticated and ISIS doesn't have those. They are also very large and have a big footprint.

It is looking more and more like someone in the ground crew planted a bomb. The plane was reported to have gone through "inspection" before the flight which means the inspection covers scattered around the plane including the wings and tail were opened up for the mechanics to see inside. All the critical controls and structures are exposed and there are lots of room to hide packages.

If the US or Brits were doing the investigation, the bomb damaged parts would be identified and the location and type of bomb identified. With the Russians, the story will be whatever they decide the story to be.
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Rock

Thu 11/05/15 10:52 AM

Russians vs. Isis/isil.

It's still a case of NHI.
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fsaguy29

Sat 11/07/15 01:16 PM

reports say that even after the crash security officials at the airport where the plane took off from were taking bribes to let people through unchecked.