If you had an extra 15% taken off your paycheque so that you could have free health care.. would you be ok with that?
Ya know.. you need an x-ray - free
.. birthing a baby - free
.. an operation - free
.. hospital stay - free

Wouldn't work because of the amount of entitlements and the size of the present work force

that would be Single Payer,and we all see how it works in Europe and some other Countries!
The Bureaucracy would eat up about half of the Deduction,leaving little for an effective Healthcare!

no....

I would think that its not free because of that 15% taken out of my check....on top of everything else that is taken out...so, no.

. Poor.kity kity.... you will never convince the states on how good or health system is... even though it's not exactly perfect either.. elective surgeries are not free

Yes...if that's all I'd have to give up and I was allowed to keep 85% of my paycheck...


However currently I already give up >40% so another 15% would mean I'd only be keeping 45% of my salary....so no not currently. Honestly if I wasn't taxed as heavily currently...I could afford my own health care just fine.

Coupla numbers that bear out why what works in Cananda probably wont work here...

35.5 million - Population of Canada

46.5 million ; Number of Americans already on one form of free stuff (foods stamps)

Glad it works yall Canada...just wont work here.

Depends.

What kind or quality of health care?

Could I call an xray and/or blood testing place and set up an appointment for that afternoon?

Could I make an appointment at a doctors office and actually see a doctor rather than an assistant, or nurse?

If I needed specialist care would I be guaranteed the best specialist made available when I want them to be?

If there are medical mistakes can I actually sue the doctor or hospital?

If I just wanted a box of band aids and neosporin or iodine or isopropyl alcohol, or a brace for a sprained ankle, are those free too since they are "health care?"

Could I get all my meals for free as long as they fulfilled nutritional standards, since that is really important for preventative "health care?"

Could I get free acupuncture, massages, chiropractor services, kleenex, cans of chicken soup, a hooker, aspirin, soap and a house cleaner for hygiene, all of which have relevance to "health care?"

Or do you "really" mean "would you give the government 15% of your paycheck to allow the government to decide what healthcare you need or deserve, when you need or deserve it, what defines health care the definition of which can change at any time for any reason, and whatever the government doesn't feel like paying for you automatically have to pay for it above and beyond the 15% you pay now, a 15% which will eventually turn into 16%, 17%, 18%, and so on never going down?"

I would rather keep the 15% and define my own health care and needs with the help of a doctor rather than just let the government play sticky-fingers-in-my-wallet-god.

Let me help with this,

-yes, free xrays and consultation, cast too, surgery if needed
We have waiting times between 6-10 hrs depending on severity of course at Emergency

-Yes you call your GP and set an appointment, again, depending on severity it could be a week or two if not serious.

-This one is funny, you'll wait till the cows come home for a specialist 3-6 months for sure and you must be referred by your GP first.

-No suing, in extreme incompetence, you'll be lucky to get 100k

-yes free meals while in hospital and that's exactly why people are dying to bolt out of hospitals here

-You'll get no such luxuries.


This is how it works here, not saying it's better or not, i've never lived in a different system.


A side note, I've had 2 of my GPs retire, I haven't had a doc in 5 years and finally got the call in October that one was available, i had forgotten about it lol i'm sure if i would have pressured more, it would have happened sooner? anyways, I'm older than my doc now so I should be good for a bit lol

Misconception - universal healthcare in Canada does not work - it is a countdown to slow death as you wait for treatment - close to issue as had first hand experience!
As it is in the UK, same format, slow death!

You telling me none of this is free in the States???????


All that stuff is included in your healthcare over here, and quite logically so.
We have to pay E385 per year for some things before healthcare starts covering cost, but NONE of the things you mention are part of that E385.

I do know my girl needs permission from her health insurance for a great many things, including an MRI.
Over here if the doc says you need an MRI, you get an MRI. If doc says you need an X-ray, you go and get one done.

And why wouldn't it work in the States if it does over here? Sure you may end up paying E10 towards someone else's healthcare, but does that matter if it means that YOU and your family are covered for whatever whenever?
What you have now sounds very much like you can get what you can pay for. That's reassuring! That means that if you can not pay for it, you can not get it, not even when you need it.
I wouldn't want to live that way!
Again, as more things over there, that attitude is based on fear, and greed.
The result is you don't have the health insurance / care you could have.

Oh well, not my prob. But I ain't ever moving to the States

My friends grom England think people are crazy for wanting socialized medical care. They hate it.

Who pays for people without jobs or getting paid under the table?

Actually many go to the hospitals for treatment. Hospitals have to treat a patient....doesn't mean the patient will pay though.

Uh huh, and how much of the premiums we pay now go to insurance company bureaucracy, profits, and CEO salaries? Now add in co-pays, deductibles, out of pocket minimums, sky high drug costs.
Only uneducated idiots would oppose a single payer health system.

Define free.
There is a price to be paid for all health care.
It is just a matter of who does the paying and how.

I am not uneducated, and I am not an idiot.
Seriously, there are legitimate reasons for being opposed to a single-payer system.

Free means without cost or payment....if someone is paying, it's not free. Just saying

That's my point.
If a physician works for free, then the physician pays the cost in the forms of labor and supplies.
If the government pays for it, then it is actually the tax payers who are paying for it.

Think about the first line in the first post:
"If you had an extra 15% taken off your paycheque so that you could have free health care ..."
In such a scenario, you are paying for health care by giving up 15% of your pay.

Exactly. They would make money if someone doesn't need the care. They pay every year but do they get the money back if they don't need any care? No. I haven't needed to go to the doctor in many years. What if someone needs more care than normal? Others would be paying for that.