Well put and the simple fact is the females are already there and lined up, and have been for several decades. The military pt standards are designed to assess an individual, not a gender. They are based on common qualities shared be many various groups, including yes, gender, as well as height, weight, age.
What the problem with some of these people is, is the fact that they dont want to accept that a woman can and is just as CAPABLE as they are. They believe that men are better simply because they are stronger and it simply is not true.

Oh? I did not realize that female soldiers ate different rations than the men. nor did I realize that they use a different brand of toilet paper to wipe their arse when they get done taking a dump. Funny, I never noticed a difference in the uniform either (my ex wife inherited all my uniforms when we got married since they were already the same). The boots were identical too, just different sizes.
The women didn't wear anything us men did not wear. We used the same weapons. We used the same mattresses in our barracks and the same cots in the field (when we had cots).

The only "logistic nightmare" for an integrated military force are the ancient pigs that still see women as inferior and treat them with disrespect and discrimination. Thankfully, we are slowly getting rid of all the pork.

Very simply because the older generations are all pigs who think that the different genders are not capable of competing against each other. Thankfully Nature has an answer for that and it can not be argued against ;-)

What makes you think the men don't get raped? I won't argue that a woman has a higher chance of that happening than a man, but trust me, it has happened and far more often than you would think; and for all the very same reasons that women get raped (not physical pleasure).

there is NO training that can be given to prepare ANY person for the possibility of rape, outside of raping the person yourself.

You also say "inevitably" raped. I hate to burst your bubble, but if you look at the captured female soldiers (or non military females that are captured and held as hostages) there have been very few, rapes. Again, I won't say it has never happened, but it is still extremely rare.

You need to stop listening to horror stories and start looking for facts. One of which is very simply, more female soldiers are raped by our own men than they are by the enemy. And the answer to resolve that is transparency and punishment for the rapist, not the victim.

Sure it can be argued against...men and women can compete against each other....but men would kill them....And it IS nature....well, simple biology,actually..a subject you seemingly failed in high school...

"" Men are physically stronger than
women, who have, on average, less total
muscle mass, both in absolute terms and
relative to total body mass. The greater
muscle mass of men is the result of
testosterone-induced muscular hypertrophy.
Men also have denser, stronger bones,
tendons, and ligaments.

Men have greater cardiovascular
reserve, with larger hearts, greater lung
volume per body mass, a higher red blood
cell count, and higher haemoglobin. They
also have higher circulating clotting factors,
which leads to faster healing of wounds.""
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201207/the-battle-the-sexes

Now dont make me break that down and explain how it makes men better at actual combat than women...itlll ruin that "know it all" facade youre trying to project.

and yet again you show how sexist you truly are. Get it through your head, more muscle does not mean more competent. More muscle, does not mean better suited. You get hit by a bullet you are gonna bleed and possibly die, depending on where you get hit, JUST THE SAME AS A WOMAN. Someone breaks through the lines and jabs you with a bayonette, you are still going to bleed and die, same as a woman.

Exactly and when this mentality kicks in which it does each day thank God We have just opened the door for chaos, which will be the downfall of said unit.

If these women want to fight on the front lines they need to go through the same training and be an all female combat unit. IMO See how long that lasts...


Bottomline...This isn't about being Sexist or any other correct political term.
Women are stronger in some areas than men...
Men are stronger in some areas than Women

Let us excel in what we do best and continually strive to be better than we were yesterday...

in this quote you are saying that on a daily basis, not only do individual soldiers, but entire units forget their training, forego their mission assignments and throw everything to the wind in order to save the *** of a female soldier who is in trouble.

I can not stop laughing at the outrageous assumption that our soldiers and units are this undisciplined. Yes there are a few individual soldiers that would do this. They are also the ones who would forego their mission in order to go after the next booty call, or to smoke the next joint or any other number of things, and they do not belong in the military to begin with. Let's look at a different scenario, but same results that are being stated...

A woman is walking down the sidewalk in a two piece bikini (yes, I am going here). A guy sees her, can not control himself when he is aroused by all that flesh she is displaying and takes her into an alley where he rapes her. My question is this:

Who is at fault? The woman wearing the bikini? or the man who can not control himself and forces her to do something she does not want to do? Who do we hold accountable for the rape?

The same thing goes with our soldiers and all areas of their behavior. If a male soldier lets the fact that a woman is working next to him distract him from his mission to where he does not perform said mission adequately, he needs to be counseled (not medically, but professionally) on his behavior. If it continues, he needs to be discharged for failure to meet standards, if nothing else; same thing goes for a woman that lets the fact that a male is working next to her, distract her from her duty.

If you truly feel that our current Marines would abandon their mission or endanger the unit to go after a single member of that unit who is in danger or captured then you need to address the problem itself, which is lack of discipline, not the fact that someone was in danger or captured.

It's not about who can do it better. it's about whether or not a person can do it within a reasonable standard of time and performance. YOU have no business ever having been in the military by your own words and standards, because I guaruntee there was someone better than you, more physically fit, more capable; you were not perfect and SOMEONE was better. Thus YOU did not meet the requirements because YOU could not do it as well as he did.

What's that? Not relevent? Completely different? You COULD do it WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME FRAME AND SET OF STANDARDS?

Guess what? That's a double standard, it's defined as discrimination, and when you use it to claim men are better than women, even just in certain things, it makes you sexist.

Well we agree on one thing.... We are both laughing...

Do you know about the Marines belief of" Leaving No Man behind". I believe it started either the French and Indian wars or Revolutionary War. Before this gets twisted and turned, "Yes I am well aware that we have left men. I am speaking metaphorically.. I do know the Marines actual Motto is of course Semper Fidelis ("Always Faithful") Shortened to Semper Fi.

I see I will have to be explicit in what I say on this post since so many things can be twisted and turned worse than a drunk snake.


Exactly and when this mentality kicks in which it does each day.
What I meant literally is we are programmed that if you see a child or a woman in distress do you not give aide at times to the detriment to your self. That is what I was referring to.


No where did I ever state anything about Rape... Nor did I stated that anyone would terminate a mission I am stating that the protect women and children would come into effect.

As has been shown time after time down through out history.

No where have I said a women isn't capable nor have I said that men would be able to NOT control themselves.

No where have I been disrespectful nor downgrading anyone for their ideals or beliefs in this subject.

So when it is resorting to mocking and belittling I am out.
Have a Good day Sir.

First, let me ask when I mocked or belittled you or anyone else? Because if yuo can give me one actual time that I did, I will apologize for doing so. But let me be blunt also: putting a name (which the dictionary supports) to a behavior is neither mocking nor namecalling.

Second: you state that you never said anything about terminating a mission in order to go rescue a woman if SHe was in danger. yet your response was 100% directly linked with the part you quoted which is "I think it can put a whole unit in jeopardy. Then the focus turns to saving her and away from the battlefield. " "...THEN THE FOCUS TURNS TO SAVING HER AND AWAY FROM THE BATTLEFIELD" sO, I am sorry that you feel I misunderstood your statement, but I understood very clearly what you said. If there was a misunderstanding it was on your side in regards to what you wrote.

As far as your rewrite in which you bring up the fact (yes I agree you are correct on this) that we, as a Nation, are programmed to automatically drop what we are doing and go to the aid of a woman or child... Again I agree that we still have a problem with people being trained (all people not just military) to behavior in this manner, and I am sorry but it is wrong. I mean, the training of this method is wrong. It SHOULD be that we are all raised to automatically aid ANYONE who is in need regardless of who they are or what they are. But in regards to soldiers following this pattern of behavior, as I said, yes there are a few that can not seem to drop the training they received as kids in regards to this and not try to help even when it puts everything else into danger; and those soldiers need to be discharged for failure to meet military standards; because NO MATTER WHAT, you HAVE to be able to follow your mission and your duty, regardless of what it is even if it means letting someone else suffer.

I never claimed that you said a man could not control themself, nor did I say you accused anyone of rape. I used the VERY COMMON argument regarding how we tend to treat rape victims as if it was their fault and that THEY are the ones that need to change something and not the rapist and the fact that that is what needs to happen in regards top a soldier who can not follow orders.

Edited for personal attacks.

soufie
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You are reading way too much into my personal OPINION. I find it pointless to respond to you.

Not that I couldn't slam you to the ground with a response; I'm just not up to it.

First, I have to ask, why the aggression? I have done nothing to warrant aggression from you or anyone else ;-)

As far as your comment that I am reading too into your personal opinion and then refusal to say how, I will ask specifically, how am I reading too much into your personal opinion?

Your opinion very specifically states that there is a problem when a woman is captured and eventually raped, as if it only happens to women and happens all the time. You also ask if both genders receive training on how to deal with rape (which I understood to be training on how to deal with it before it has happened), which I explained there is no such thing.

Finally, you say you feel it is pointless to respond to me (and then get aggressive), but in the end you did respond (in a way)...

So I am asking, how am I reading too much into your opinion?

That just made my night!

"woman is walking down the sidewalk in a two piece bikini (yes, I am going here). A guy sees her, can not control himself when he is aroused by all that flesh she is displaying and takes her into an alley where he rapes her. My question is this:

Who is at fault? The woman wearing the bikini? or the man who can not control himself and forces her to do something she does not want to do? Who do we hold accountable for the rape?"

Dann this ^^^^ may be the most sexist comment I ever seen. Talk about 'blame the victim'

Hell..I am out of here & abandoning my own thread.


Bye now

Totally not reading that.