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ErotiDoug

Sun 01/10/16 01:07 PM



throwing tantrums , being vulgar, disrespectful to 'authority',,,, Public disorder (10% of prison population)


?. from what I know, the above does not land a person in prison. Maybe a night in the local lock up but that's about it. You land in prison when you are sentenced long term and a vast majority of the time that is for a serious felony... not kid stuff.

And the vast majority of people in prison are repeat offenders. In my opinion, they are exactly where they belong.



in this country people get KILLED for not being obedient to authority,

they should have just listened to the cops is a common justification in our culture,,,death for disobedience is acceptable,,,for adults(Thank God not for kids though)

perhaps they wouldn't be as many repeat offenders if the system worked better the FIRST time,,,


Our best leaders questioned " Authority ". I wish we had treated them better when they were guilty. Nelson Mandela, comes to mind :angel:
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msharmony

Sun 01/10/16 01:09 PM




throwing tantrums , being vulgar, disrespectful to 'authority',,,, Public disorder (10% of prison population)


?. from what I know, the above does not land a person in prison. Maybe a night in the local lock up but that's about it. You land in prison when you are sentenced long term and a vast majority of the time that is for a serious felony... not kid stuff.

And the vast majority of people in prison are repeat offenders. In my opinion, they are exactly where they belong.



in this country people get KILLED for not being obedient to authority,

they should have just listened to the cops is a common justification in our culture,,,death for disobedience is acceptable,,,for adults(Thank God not for kids though)

perhaps they wouldn't be as many repeat offenders if the system worked better the FIRST time,,,


Our best leaders questioned " Authority ". I wish we had treated them better when they were guilty. Nelson Mandela, comes to mind :angel:



unfortunately actual empathy and/or compromise are not popular in American politics or media


just punish and forget,,,,,the rules are the rules,,etc,,etc,,
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ErotiDoug

Sun 01/10/16 01:22 PM





throwing tantrums , being vulgar, disrespectful to 'authority',,,, Public disorder (10% of prison population)


?. from what I know, the above does not land a person in prison. Maybe a night in the local lock up but that's about it. You land in prison when you are sentenced long term and a vast majority of the time that is for a serious felony... not kid stuff.

And the vast majority of people in prison are repeat offenders. In my opinion, they are exactly where they belong.



in this country people get KILLED for not being obedient to authority,

they should have just listened to the cops is a common justification in our culture,,,death for disobedience is acceptable,,,for adults(Thank God not for kids though)

perhaps they wouldn't be as many repeat offenders if the system worked better the FIRST time,,,


Our best leaders questioned " Authority ". I wish we had treated them better when they were guilty. Nelson Mandela, comes to mind :angel:



unfortunately actual empathy and/or compromise are not popular in American politics or media


just punish and forget,,,,,the rules are the rules,,etc,,etc,,


And how is that working-out rofl
( My cousin's problems are also mine ):thumbsup:
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msharmony

Mon 01/11/16 06:45 PM

wow, another person dealing with the realities of 'everyone' not having the same chance in this world, let alone this country
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Daniel74126

Mon 01/11/16 06:46 PM


Did anyone except me, notice that none of the opening posts proposals have anything at all to do with Prison Reform?

Changing WHY people go to prison, has nothing to do with prison itself.


By changing who goes to prison, what they go in for, how long they go in for, etc... You ARE reforming prison. Right now prison is a private, very lucrative, business. It is privately owned, and the owners are greasing the congressman's pockets to get favor towards specific laws and legislation that would put even more people behind bars and keep people behind bars for life so as to continue bringing in the American dollar to the owners of said business. Thus if you change who, when, where, why and how people go to prison, you cause reform at the same time ;-)
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ErotiDoug

Mon 01/11/16 07:45 PM



Did anyone except me, notice that none of the opening posts proposals have anything at all to do with Prison Reform?

Changing WHY people go to prison, has nothing to do with prison itself.


By changing who goes to prison, what they go in for, how long they go in for, etc... You ARE reforming prison. Right now prison is a private, very lucrative, business. It is privately owned, and the owners are greasing the congressman's pockets to get favor towards specific laws and legislation that would put even more people behind bars and keep people behind bars for life so as to continue bringing in the American dollar to the owners of said business. Thus if you change who, when, where, why and how people go to prison, you cause reform at the same time ;-)


So it is about Profit
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SassyEuro2

Mon 01/11/16 09:25 PM

wow, another person dealing with the realities of 'everyone' not having the same chance in this world, let alone this country

Say what?
Well there is this thing called crime you see ... And a thing called punishment.
Criminals had their chance.
Society wants to give them about as much chance as they gave their victims,
& there is always a victim.

...... But we don't, unfortunately
.We give them more than they deserve & then call ourselves 'civilized'.. Yep.. What a country. frustrated
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msharmony

Mon 01/11/16 09:32 PM

my response was to a post that was removed, that was a response about 'everyone having the same chance'


anyone with college education or higher is probably aware what crime and punishment are,,,laugh
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ErotiDoug

Mon 01/11/16 10:33 PM


my response was to a post that was removed, that was a response about 'everyone having the same chance'


anyone with college education or higher is probably aware what crime and punishment are,,,laugh


I think, most are very sick and with a very low education.
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Conrad_73

Tue 01/12/16 12:52 AM

the Right to Life,Liberty,and The Pursuit of Happiness,but as Old Ben said,you have to catch it yourself!
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Daniel74126

Tue 01/12/16 09:13 PM




Did anyone except me, notice that none of the opening posts proposals have anything at all to do with Prison Reform?

Changing WHY people go to prison, has nothing to do with prison itself.


By changing who goes to prison, what they go in for, how long they go in for, etc... You ARE reforming prison. Right now prison is a private, very lucrative, business. It is privately owned, and the owners are greasing the congressman's pockets to get favor towards specific laws and legislation that would put even more people behind bars and keep people behind bars for life so as to continue bringing in the American dollar to the owners of said business. Thus if you change who, when, where, why and how people go to prison, you cause reform at the same time ;-)


So it is about Profit


When it comes to prison, the biggest issue today is profit, yes. More andmore people are neing arrested that should not be, in order to bring in more money to the PRIVATE prison systems.

Good example: I heard on the local news today as I turned the tv on that a guy was being searched for (and had an APB out) for escaping PRISON; he was incarcerated for multiple traffic violations.

Now tell me: what business do we have locking people up in prison (hell, even in jail) for traffic violations? And don't tell me traffic violations could be DUI's. If they were, you know as well as I do the news would have said so.
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Daniel74126

Tue 01/12/16 09:16 PM




throwing tantrums , being vulgar, disrespectful to 'authority',,,, Public disorder (10% of prison population)


?. from what I know, the above does not land a person in prison. Maybe a night in the local lock up but that's about it. You land in prison when you are sentenced long term and a vast majority of the time that is for a serious felony... not kid stuff.

And the vast majority of people in prison are repeat offenders. In my opinion, they are exactly where they belong.



in this country people get KILLED for not being obedient to authority,

they should have just listened to the cops is a common justification in our culture,,,death for disobedience is acceptable,,,for adults(Thank God not for kids though)

perhaps they wouldn't be as many repeat offenders if the system worked better the FIRST time,,,


perhaps they wouldn't be as many repeat offenders if the system worked better the FIRST time,,,
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Or if the parents raised them better. Raised them not to break the law. Taught them right from wrong early in life. And raised them that if they did break the law they learned from their mistake. (i.e. as in not to repeat your mistakes.) thus not to become a repeat offender.

The " system" is not a replacement for good parenting. A breakdown in family values and family structure is a major factor in the amount of people in prison.



Bull Pucky. Yes I said it, and I will say it again, bull pucky. yes, bad parenting is accountable for a SMALL percent but not the majority. What YOU call bad parenting is actually scared parenting. You know, those who are afraid to bust their kids arse (figuratively speaking of course) because they may go to prison for twenty years to life?
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Rock

Tue 01/12/16 10:04 PM

*Some* prisons are privately owned.
Many prisons are government owned.

If one wants reforms in their day to day inmate life.
It would behoove one, to think more carefully, before
committing their next 'speshul' little crime.

*Most* people in prison, are there, because it's where they belong.
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Daniel74126

Tue 01/12/16 10:26 PM


*Some* prisons are privately owned.
Many prisons are government owned.

If one wants reforms in their day to day inmate life.
It would behoove one, to think more carefully, before
committing their next 'speshul' little crime.

*Most* people in prison, are there, because it's where they belong.



Yes "some" are government owned. but guess what? That does ntomean theya re not privately operated and controlled...

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/27138-public-prisons-private-profits


After reading this (and any number of other links you care to google for yourself), you will see that prison is NOT government controlled any more, nor does it follow constitutional laws.


note: yes, I personally think someone in prison should be inside a cell, with only a yard for exercise. LIMITED commisary allowances (for extra hygiene items, basically) and NO televisions or radios, etc; especially not PERSONAL tv;s or radios. But on the flipside, they should also have basic medical care (no this does not mean the state pays for gender reassignment surgery or any other nonsense such as that). If their family wants to send money for the commisary, then they should get ALL of that money, minus the cost of a stamp and envelope, not be charged exhorbitant fees.

There is a lot of abuse in our prison system, and it is ALL linked back to privatized care and/or accessories (for lack of a better term)