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dolphin0925

Sat 04/23/16 08:49 PM







In my opinion and not taking sides between two parties, refusing to shake hands does not necessarily mean a sign of disrespect.Khan placed his hand over his heart instead of shaking her hand in greeting. I believe it is a heartfelt gesture of recognizing her in a way he is accustomed to. In some other countries, they bow their heads or they embrace and pat each others back or kisses both cheeks or kisses the hand. "People can greet each other in different ways. The most important thing is to show respect by seeing each other, to meet each other ... to respect each other," this is what Khan said during an interview with state broadcaster Swedish Radio.......don't you think we all are entitled to stand by our customary gestures? Just saying.......:smile: peace be with you all:smile:


kinda sad that women can't understand what sexists the muslims are...flowerforyou




Not all muslims are sexists,everywhere in the world not just muslims...... every individual is unique in their own ways. I have worked in Saudi Arabia, I have seen how some Arabs treat women with respect. I thought so before that they are sexists but as what I have witnessed, I was totally wrong. Not all are bad......here, there, and everywhere good and bad both exist.
there's good and bad in every type people... but if a muslim follows their religion and fatwa's, they are very sexist... not Arabs, persay, but muslims...


I believe so that if muslims follow their religion, they are sexist to some people but come to think of it, many muslim women feel safe, loved and respected , also they are treated very well in fact with the abundance of love and all the good things in life:smile: maybe it has some advantages and disadvantages to it.... only muslims know that, we are not in their shoes:smile: we cannot judge but we are entitled to our opinion based on what we have seen around us......simply an observation,stereotyping or a misconception.....


sure, if you say so... go to Saudi Arabia for a few days and then tell me how not sexist they are..


Ooh, I know for a fact coz I have worked there for 2 years:) it's could be sexist to some yes, I have nothing against of how they treat their women...it has its advantages and disadvantages....honestly I can't live the way women lived there because I want more freedom, but it seemed most of them are happy and contented.....and I acknowledge and respect that:smile:
Edited by dolphin0925 on Sat 04/23/16 08:50 PM
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Smartazzjohn

Sat 04/23/16 09:04 PM



I wonder what would happen if a Christian, Jew or any non Muslim male reporter refused to shake the hand of a Muslim leader in a Muslim country.

I'm sure that would result in the non Muslim male reporter being called a bigoted infidel, deported or imprisoned for not respecting and adhering to what is customary within the Islamic culture.


The one thing to do with this, is to think it ALL the way through.

It's my own personal opinion, that anyone who wants to be a part of my country, must adapt TO my country.

The thing to realize in this, however, is that if it were here instead of Sweden, that it would have broader implication than Muslims shaking hands with women.

In the United States, we are all equal under the law. That is our ideal. If this had happened here, I would be glad to hear that the politician resigned, and I would hope he did so for better reasons than a fit of resentment.

But this applies as well to non-Muslims. We have to decide the same rules for everyone. So before each person comes down on one side or the other, recognize that if a hard line Christian fundamentalist decided to refuse to shake hands with a homosexual, for example, that the same judgment would have to apply. Or if an atheist refused to show equal respect for a theist, or vice versa.

Just make sure you don't ONLY cheer about this, because it was a Muslim.


I did think my statement ALL THE WAY THROUGH. And my thought was based on practices in some Muslim countries towards not just reporters but to anyone who doesn't conform.

Since you didn't seem to get the gist of my statement which was pretty clear I'll explain it to you. The statement was a comparison between the ways western countries REACT to an act that may be considered nonconforming and the way some Muslim countries REACT. He VOLUNTARILY resigned even if it was because of pressure, he wasn't imprisoned or punished for his actions. Do you get it now???????

Personally I think the incident was overblown and resulted in overreaction by all parties involved.

Should I expect another diatribe now? LOL
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mightymoe

Sat 04/23/16 09:12 PM








In my opinion and not taking sides between two parties, refusing to shake hands does not necessarily mean a sign of disrespect.Khan placed his hand over his heart instead of shaking her hand in greeting. I believe it is a heartfelt gesture of recognizing her in a way he is accustomed to. In some other countries, they bow their heads or they embrace and pat each others back or kisses both cheeks or kisses the hand. "People can greet each other in different ways. The most important thing is to show respect by seeing each other, to meet each other ... to respect each other," this is what Khan said during an interview with state broadcaster Swedish Radio.......don't you think we all are entitled to stand by our customary gestures? Just saying.......:smile: peace be with you all:smile:


kinda sad that women can't understand what sexists the muslims are...flowerforyou




Not all muslims are sexists,everywhere in the world not just muslims...... every individual is unique in their own ways. I have worked in Saudi Arabia, I have seen how some Arabs treat women with respect. I thought so before that they are sexists but as what I have witnessed, I was totally wrong. Not all are bad......here, there, and everywhere good and bad both exist.
there's good and bad in every type people... but if a muslim follows their religion and fatwa's, they are very sexist... not Arabs, persay, but muslims...


I believe so that if muslims follow their religion, they are sexist to some people but come to think of it, many muslim women feel safe, loved and respected , also they are treated very well in fact with the abundance of love and all the good things in life:smile: maybe it has some advantages and disadvantages to it.... only muslims know that, we are not in their shoes:smile: we cannot judge but we are entitled to our opinion based on what we have seen around us......simply an observation,stereotyping or a misconception.....


sure, if you say so... go to Saudi Arabia for a few days and then tell me how not sexist they are..


Ooh, I know for a fact coz I have worked there for 2 years:) it's could be sexist to some yes, I have nothing against of how they treat their women...it has its advantages and disadvantages....honestly I can't live the way women lived there because I want more freedom, but it seemed most of them are happy and contented.....and I acknowledge and respect that:smile:


hey are "happy and content" because they know nothing different from what the men tell them...

can they drive in SA? no, not allowed
can they go outside or anywhere without a male escort? no...
do they haft to walk behind the man, at least 5 paces? yes, they do

just by those three example alone, shows the male dominated society they live in. and because it's all they know, thats all they know...

by our standards, they have no rights, no where to go, and are not allowed to even argue with the man...


male sexist domination... but hey, thats their way, right?
Edited by mightymoe on Sat 04/23/16 09:12 PM
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SassyEuro2

Sat 04/23/16 09:18 PM



I wonder what would happen if a Christian, Jew or any non Muslim male reporter refused to shake the hand of a Muslim leader in a Muslim country.

I'm sure that would result in the non Muslim male reporter being called a bigoted infidel, deported or imprisoned for not respecting and adhering to what is customary within the Islamic culture.


The one thing to do with this, is to think it ALL the way through.

It's my own personal opinion, that anyone who wants to be a part of my country, must adapt TO my country.

The thing to realize in this, however, is that if it were here instead of Sweden, that it would have broader implication than Muslims shaking hands with women.

In the United States, we are all equal under the law. That is our ideal. If this had happened here, I would be glad to hear that the politician resigned, and I would hope he did so for better reasons than a fit of resentment.

But this applies as well to non-Muslims. We have to decide the same rules for everyone. So before each person comes down on one side or the other, recognize that if a hard line Christian fundamentalist decided to refuse to shake hands with a homosexual, for example, that the same judgment would have to apply. Or if an atheist refused to show equal respect for a theist, or vice versa.

Just make sure you don't ONLY cheer about this, because it was a Muslim.


This ^^^^ is part of the problem, you compared one religion to another. As if that is the issue or the only issue.
WESTERN WOMEN are NOT going to give a rat's *** or want or make excesses for a man who feels she is so beneath him..
And if she does. She sets ALL women back, including her relatives.
And makes a total mockery of everything women have endured & fought & suffered for.
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dolphin0925

Sat 04/23/16 10:55 PM









In my opinion and not taking sides between two parties, refusing to shake hands does not necessarily mean a sign of disrespect.Khan placed his hand over his heart instead of shaking her hand in greeting. I believe it is a heartfelt gesture of recognizing her in a way he is accustomed to. In some other countries, they bow their heads or they embrace and pat each others back or kisses both cheeks or kisses the hand. "People can greet each other in different ways. The most important thing is to show respect by seeing each other, to meet each other ... to respect each other," this is what Khan said during an interview with state broadcaster Swedish Radio.......don't you think we all are entitled to stand by our customary gestures? Just saying.......:smile: peace be with you all:smile:


kinda sad that women can't understand what sexists the muslims are...flowerforyou




Not all muslims are sexists,everywhere in the world not just muslims...... every individual is unique in their own ways. I have worked in Saudi Arabia, I have seen how some Arabs treat women with respect. I thought so before that they are sexists but as what I have witnessed, I was totally wrong. Not all are bad......here, there, and everywhere good and bad both exist.
there's good and bad in every type people... but if a muslim follows their religion and fatwa's, they are very sexist... not Arabs, persay, but muslims...


I believe so that if muslims follow their religion, they are sexist to some people but come to think of it, many muslim women feel safe, loved and respected , also they are treated very well in fact with the abundance of love and all the good things in life:smile: maybe it has some advantages and disadvantages to it.... only muslims know that, we are not in their shoes:smile: we cannot judge but we are entitled to our opinion based on what we have seen around us......simply an observation,stereotyping or a misconception.....


sure, if you say so... go to Saudi Arabia for a few days and then tell me how not sexist they are..


Ooh, I know for a fact coz I have worked there for 2 years:) it's could be sexist to some yes, I have nothing against of how they treat their women...it has its advantages and disadvantages....honestly I can't live the way women lived there because I want more freedom, but it seemed most of them are happy and contented.....and I acknowledge and respect that:smile:


hey are "happy and content" because they know nothing different from what the men tell them...

can they drive in SA? no, not allowed
can they go outside or anywhere without a male escort? no...
do they haft to walk behind the man, at least 5 paces? yes, they do

just by those three example alone, shows the male dominated society they live in. and because it's all they know, thats all they know...

by our standards, they have no rights, no where to go, and are not allowed to even argue with the man...


male sexist domination... but hey, thats their way, right?


They are happy and contented with the simplicity of life they live. Most of them are not exposed that much with the worldly things for they live a secured , safe and protected life. Well, some of them do wish to have more freedom. The devoted muslims men and women live a simple life, they are not into drinking or bar hopping or other worldly things.

Yes, women can't drive...but why drive if they have a husband to drive them or they can afford to pay for a driver?

Yes, they can go anywhere they want maybe not alone but always accompanied by male or female to be safe and not get molested by hungry men. For a lonely prey could be an invitation for a predator to feed his hungry eyes and mouth.

Yes, I have seen a lot of happy muslim couples there with their children walking beside each other.

Yes, it's a male dominated society indeed because they believe that women are the weakest sex and are always submissive to their husbands, they who need protection and should be well taken cared of, showered with love, respect and all the good things in life.

That's how abundant their lives are. They have their customs, beliefs and traditions which we also have in each countries and I think we should just respect that.:smile:

Edited by dolphin0925 on Sat 04/23/16 10:58 PM
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mightymoe

Sun 04/24/16 12:05 AM










In my opinion and not taking sides between two parties, refusing to shake hands does not necessarily mean a sign of disrespect.Khan placed his hand over his heart instead of shaking her hand in greeting. I believe it is a heartfelt gesture of recognizing her in a way he is accustomed to. In some other countries, they bow their heads or they embrace and pat each others back or kisses both cheeks or kisses the hand. "People can greet each other in different ways. The most important thing is to show respect by seeing each other, to meet each other ... to respect each other," this is what Khan said during an interview with state broadcaster Swedish Radio.......don't you think we all are entitled to stand by our customary gestures? Just saying.......:smile: peace be with you all:smile:


kinda sad that women can't understand what sexists the muslims are...flowerforyou




Not all muslims are sexists,everywhere in the world not just muslims...... every individual is unique in their own ways. I have worked in Saudi Arabia, I have seen how some Arabs treat women with respect. I thought so before that they are sexists but as what I have witnessed, I was totally wrong. Not all are bad......here, there, and everywhere good and bad both exist.
there's good and bad in every type people... but if a muslim follows their religion and fatwa's, they are very sexist... not Arabs, persay, but muslims...


I believe so that if muslims follow their religion, they are sexist to some people but come to think of it, many muslim women feel safe, loved and respected , also they are treated very well in fact with the abundance of love and all the good things in life:smile: maybe it has some advantages and disadvantages to it.... only muslims know that, we are not in their shoes:smile: we cannot judge but we are entitled to our opinion based on what we have seen around us......simply an observation,stereotyping or a misconception.....


sure, if you say so... go to Saudi Arabia for a few days and then tell me how not sexist they are..


Ooh, I know for a fact coz I have worked there for 2 years:) it's could be sexist to some yes, I have nothing against of how they treat their women...it has its advantages and disadvantages....honestly I can't live the way women lived there because I want more freedom, but it seemed most of them are happy and contented.....and I acknowledge and respect that:smile:


hey are "happy and content" because they know nothing different from what the men tell them...

can they drive in SA? no, not allowed
can they go outside or anywhere without a male escort? no...
do they haft to walk behind the man, at least 5 paces? yes, they do

just by those three example alone, shows the male dominated society they live in. and because it's all they know, thats all they know...

by our standards, they have no rights, no where to go, and are not allowed to even argue with the man...


male sexist domination... but hey, thats their way, right?


They are happy and contented with the simplicity of life they live. Most of them are not exposed that much with the worldly things for they live a secured , safe and protected life. Well, some of them do wish to have more freedom. The devoted muslims men and women live a simple life, they are not into drinking or bar hopping or other worldly things.

Yes, women can't drive...but why drive if they have a husband to drive them or they can afford to pay for a driver?

Yes, they can go anywhere they want maybe not alone but always accompanied by male or female to be safe and not get molested by hungry men. For a lonely prey could be an invitation for a predator to feed his hungry eyes and mouth.

Yes, I have seen a lot of happy muslim couples there with their children walking beside each other.

Yes, it's a male dominated society indeed because they believe that women are the weakest sex and are always submissive to their husbands, they who need protection and should be well taken cared of, showered with love, respect and all the good things in life.

That's how abundant their lives are. They have their customs, beliefs and traditions which we also have in each countries and I think we should just respect that.:smile:




to each their own... i've heard both sides from muslim women, and i cannot understand why they would want to be in that life... but they've been doing it for thousands of years, so it seems to be their problem, not mine... but i won't stop griping against it...
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dolphin0925

Sun 04/24/16 12:25 AM











In my opinion and not taking sides between two parties, refusing to shake hands does not necessarily mean a sign of disrespect.Khan placed his hand over his heart instead of shaking her hand in greeting. I believe it is a heartfelt gesture of recognizing her in a way he is accustomed to. In some other countries, they bow their heads or they embrace and pat each others back or kisses both cheeks or kisses the hand. "People can greet each other in different ways. The most important thing is to show respect by seeing each other, to meet each other ... to respect each other," this is what Khan said during an interview with state broadcaster Swedish Radio.......don't you think we all are entitled to stand by our customary gestures? Just saying.......:smile: peace be with you all:smile:


kinda sad that women can't understand what sexists the muslims are...flowerforyou




Not all muslims are sexists,everywhere in the world not just muslims...... every individual is unique in their own ways. I have worked in Saudi Arabia, I have seen how some Arabs treat women with respect. I thought so before that they are sexists but as what I have witnessed, I was totally wrong. Not all are bad......here, there, and everywhere good and bad both exist.
there's good and bad in every type people... but if a muslim follows their religion and fatwa's, they are very sexist... not Arabs, persay, but muslims...


I believe so that if muslims follow their religion, they are sexist to some people but come to think of it, many muslim women feel safe, loved and respected , also they are treated very well in fact with the abundance of love and all the good things in life:smile: maybe it has some advantages and disadvantages to it.... only muslims know that, we are not in their shoes:smile: we cannot judge but we are entitled to our opinion based on what we have seen around us......simply an observation,stereotyping or a misconception.....


sure, if you say so... go to Saudi Arabia for a few days and then tell me how not sexist they are..


Ooh, I know for a fact coz I have worked there for 2 years:) it's could be sexist to some yes, I have nothing against of how they treat their women...it has its advantages and disadvantages....honestly I can't live the way women lived there because I want more freedom, but it seemed most of them are happy and contented.....and I acknowledge and respect that:smile:


hey are "happy and content" because they know nothing different from what the men tell them...

can they drive in SA? no, not allowed
can they go outside or anywhere without a male escort? no...
do they haft to walk behind the man, at least 5 paces? yes, they do

just by those three example alone, shows the male dominated society they live in. and because it's all they know, thats all they know...

by our standards, they have no rights, no where to go, and are not allowed to even argue with the man...


male sexist domination... but hey, thats their way, right?


They are happy and contented with the simplicity of life they live. Most of them are not exposed that much with the worldly things for they live a secured , safe and protected life. Well, some of them do wish to have more freedom. The devoted muslims men and women live a simple life, they are not into drinking or bar hopping or other worldly things.

Yes, women can't drive...but why drive if they have a husband to drive them or they can afford to pay for a driver?

Yes, they can go anywhere they want maybe not alone but always accompanied by male or female to be safe and not get molested by hungry men. For a lonely prey could be an invitation for a predator to feed his hungry eyes and mouth.

Yes, I have seen a lot of happy muslim couples there with their children walking beside each other.

Yes, it's a male dominated society indeed because they believe that women are the weakest sex and are always submissive to their husbands, they who need protection and should be well taken cared of, showered with love, respect and all the good things in life.

That's how abundant their lives are. They have their customs, beliefs and traditions which we also have in each countries and I think we should just respect that.:smile:




to each their own... i've heard both sides from muslim women, and i cannot understand why they would want to be in that life... but they've been doing it for thousands of years, so it seems to be their problem, not mine... but i won't stop griping against it...


That's just it, we have nothing to argue about these things actually but to see both sides , acknowlegde and respect each other's custom s, traditions or beliefs. And let's just be grateful of the life each one of us lives:smile:
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joethebricky

Sun 04/24/16 12:52 AM












In my opinion and not taking sides between two parties, refusing to shake hands does not necessarily mean a sign of disrespect.Khan placed his hand over his heart instead of shaking her hand in greeting. I believe it is a heartfelt gesture of recognizing her in a way he is accustomed to. In some other countries, they bow their heads or they embrace and pat each others back or kisses both cheeks or kisses the hand. "People can greet each other in different ways. The most important thing is to show respect by seeing each other, to meet each other ... to respect each other," this is what Khan said during an interview with state broadcaster Swedish Radio.......don't you think we all are entitled to stand by our customary gestures? Just saying.......:smile: peace be with you all:smile:


kinda sad that women can't understand what sexists the muslims are...flowerforyou




Not all muslims are sexists,everywhere in the world not just muslims...... every individual is unique in their own ways. I have worked in Saudi Arabia, I have seen how some Arabs treat women with respect. I thought so before that they are sexists but as what I have witnessed, I was totally wrong. Not all are bad......here, there, and everywhere good and bad both exist.
there's good and bad in every type people... but if a muslim follows their religion and fatwa's, they are very sexist... not Arabs, persay, but muslims...


I believe so that if muslims follow their religion, they are sexist to some people but come to think of it, many muslim women feel safe, loved and respected , also they are treated very well in fact with the abundance of love and all the good things in life:smile: maybe it has some advantages and disadvantages to it.... only muslims know that, we are not in their shoes:smile: we cannot judge but we are entitled to our opinion based on what we have seen around us......simply an observation,stereotyping or a misconception.....


sure, if you say so... go to Saudi Arabia for a few days and then tell me how not sexist they are..


Ooh, I know for a fact coz I have worked there for 2 years:) it's could be sexist to some yes, I have nothing against of how they treat their women...it has its advantages and disadvantages....honestly I can't live the way women lived there because I want more freedom, but it seemed most of them are happy and contented.....and I acknowledge and respect that:smile:


hey are "happy and content" because they know nothing different from what the men tell them...

can they drive in SA? no, not allowed
can they go outside or anywhere without a male escort? no...
do they haft to walk behind the man, at least 5 paces? yes, they do

just by those three example alone, shows the male dominated society they live in. and because it's all they know, thats all they know...

by our standards, they have no rights, no where to go, and are not allowed to even argue with the man...


male sexist domination... but hey, thats their way, right?


They are happy and contented with the simplicity of life they live. Most of them are not exposed that much with the worldly things for they live a secured , safe and protected life. Well, some of them do wish to have more freedom. The devoted muslims men and women live a simple life, they are not into drinking or bar hopping or other worldly things.

Yes, women can't drive...but why drive if they have a husband to drive them or they can afford to pay for a driver?

Yes, they can go anywhere they want maybe not alone but always accompanied by male or female to be safe and not get molested by hungry men. For a lonely prey could be an invitation for a predator to feed his hungry eyes and mouth.

Yes, I have seen a lot of happy muslim couples there with their children walking beside each other.

Yes, it's a male dominated society indeed because they believe that women are the weakest sex and are always submissive to their husbands, they who need protection and should be well taken cared of, showered with love, respect and all the good things in life.

That's how abundant their lives are. They have their customs, beliefs and traditions which we also have in each countries and I think we should just respect that.:smile:




to each their own... i've heard both sides from muslim women, and i cannot understand why they would want to be in that life... but they've been doing it for thousands of years, so it seems to be their problem, not mine... but i won't stop griping against it...


acknowlegde and respect each other's custom s, traditions

That's exactly what the guy 'didn't' do.

When in Rome
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Robxbox73

Sun 04/24/16 02:41 AM


I don't think we should shake hands either. Just shake our Booties.


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RebelArcher

Sun 04/24/16 07:50 AM

If you shake it more than 3 times, you're playin' with it...
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msharmony

Sun 04/24/16 02:27 PM

I respect cultural traditions, but I don't get hung up on them


if it is not done as an obvious attempt to disrespect,, it wouldn't bother me

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massagetrade

Mon 04/25/16 03:02 PM


They are happy and contented with the simplicity of life they live. Most of them are not exposed that much with the worldly things for they live a secured , safe and protected life. Well, some of them do wish to have more freedom. The devoted muslims men and women live a simple life, they are not into drinking or bar hopping or other worldly things.

Yes, women can't drive...but why drive if they have a husband to drive them or they can afford to pay for a driver?

...

Yes, it's a male dominated society indeed because they believe that women are the weakest sex and are always submissive to their husbands, they who need protection and should be well taken cared of, showered with love, respect and all the good things in life.



I respect your efforts to nurture respect for other cultures, but I think some of the passages here disturbing.

You do realize that there were also some slaves in the South that were happy and contented with the simplicity of the life they lived, right? I mean, seriously, whole sections of your text could have been lifted directly from a pro-slavery propaganda piece from back then.

The fact that some people find a way to be contented and happy in an oppressive system doesn't make it okay.

If you have a free society, then some people can _choose_ to be obedient to their spouses and be taken care of by their spouses. No problem there. But most women in those countries have no choice.