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Topic: Genderqueer Teen Can't Open Bank Account
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msharmony

Sat 04/30/16 06:35 PM



even without documenting labels, people will perceive them

I understand why 'boxes' are important if we are ever to truly attempt to understand how different demographics are treated,,,,
is ticking boxes more important than someone's self esteem . What if you had to tick a box stating black or white .. No other options .. How do you thing that would be perceived . . As racist no doubt . Gender identity deserves the same respect .


they have no esteem if its damaged by a box

black and white are not biological, but strictly social, and they have an 'other' box, for race

I'm sure such an option in this case would be seen as offensive thouh
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msharmony

Sat 04/30/16 06:48 PM


Why is it even necessary to provide the banks with gender . Why is a name .. Dob and proof of identity not enough. What purpose does it serve really .. Do men get better interest rates . The first step in initiating change is to question why something is done the way it is . Can it be improved and what benefit change will bring . I think it is good they are questioning why :-)


I don't think 'gender' should be important since its merely social in nature

it shouldn't be a mandate because of the fact that its merely social



however , sex, is different than gender


and if you have to pick one,, and don't want to , that's one thing

although its detrimental to being able to prove or document discrimination

but if you just feel like there should be more than whats biologically appropriate,, I think that person should study biology closer and grow up














Edited by msharmony on Sat 04/30/16 06:50 PM
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msharmony

Sat 04/30/16 06:51 PM





even without documenting labels, people will perceive them

I understand why 'boxes' are important if we are ever to truly attempt to understand how different demographics are treated,,,,
is ticking boxes more important than someone's self esteem . What if you had to tick a box stating black or white .. No other options .. How do you thing that would be perceived . . As racist no doubt . Gender identity deserves the same respect .


they have no esteem if its damaged by a box

black and white are not biological, but strictly social, and they have an 'other' box, for race

I'm sure such an option in this case would be seen as offensive thouh
I am sure when society perceives you as a freak .. Self esteem is likely already low . So they should just tick the box ... accept they are a minority and do not deserve respect .. Is that what you mean ???



I never felt being a minority meant not deserving respect,, I have been checking black all my life


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ErotiDoug

Sat 04/30/16 06:53 PM


** Canadian Banks only require ( S.I.N.) Social Insurance Number. All

other information is optional.


*All funds (cash, chqs. other)must go into the account, then may be

with drawn. All movement of money is very closely monitored. smokin

** Hard as heck to move um Private money **
Edited by ErotiDoug on Sat 04/30/16 06:55 PM
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mightymoe

Sat 04/30/16 06:55 PM




She just wants to open a bank account . I am sure if divorced people were forced to keep accounts in their married name forever .. There would be many unhappy people who do not want to be identified by their ex's name . When it comes to identity why is there such an issue .. Why are people so threatened by transgender . I don't understand the fear !!


not a she, not a he... but they have to choose one, thats just the way it is... it's called following the rules...why should all the rules change because a few people don't wanna follow the establish way of doing things?
wrong moe .. Rules have changed so much in society over time .. Look at how we now view mental health and disability . Those rules are meant to protect especially when it comes to human rights . .. Gender is no different .. They are not freaks they are human beings .


whatever... it's just asking you to choose a box to check, no need to make a federal case out of it... if that's a big problem for anyone, then they need some mental help...
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mightymoe

Sat 04/30/16 06:57 PM



even without documenting labels, people will perceive them

I understand why 'boxes' are important if we are ever to truly attempt to understand how different demographics are treated,,,,
is ticking boxes more important than someone's self esteem . What if you had to tick a box stating black or white .. No other options .. How do you thing that would be perceived . . As racist no doubt . Gender identity deserves the same respect .


no, it doesn't...if they are not happy with themselves, more choices isn't going to make them any happier..
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msharmony

Sat 04/30/16 07:07 PM



** Canadian Banks only require ( S.I.N.) Social Insurance Number. All

other information is optional.


*All funds (cash, chqs. other)must go into the account, then may be

with drawn. All movement of money is very closely monitored. smokin

** Hard as heck to move um Private money **


that's an option too

we could make it all optional, but as I said, because I don't mark it doesn't mean those providing service don't observe it,, and no documentation makes it hard to prove when certain groups are facing discrimination based upon belonging to that group
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msharmony

Sat 04/30/16 07:13 PM

biology is not a societal ideal
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RebelArcher

Sat 04/30/16 07:13 PM

Clearly the vulgar drop your pants solution is just more homophobic garbage.
Nothing vulgar about it...and not homophobic either since the subject in the OP isn't homosexual.
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mightymoe

Sat 04/30/16 07:13 PM




** Canadian Banks only require ( S.I.N.) Social Insurance Number. All

other information is optional.


*All funds (cash, chqs. other)must go into the account, then may be

with drawn. All movement of money is very closely monitored. smokin

** Hard as heck to move um Private money **


that's an option too

we could make it all optional, but as I said, because I don't mark it doesn't mean those providing service don't observe it,, and no documentation makes it hard to prove when certain groups are facing discrimination based upon belonging to that group


the SS numbers here are based on our birth certificates, which denotes m/f with even asking you... i'm sure the socialists in Canada are the same there...
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msharmony

Sat 04/30/16 07:16 PM





** Canadian Banks only require ( S.I.N.) Social Insurance Number. All

other information is optional.


*All funds (cash, chqs. other)must go into the account, then may be

with drawn. All movement of money is very closely monitored. smokin

** Hard as heck to move um Private money **


that's an option too

we could make it all optional, but as I said, because I don't mark it doesn't mean those providing service don't observe it,, and no documentation makes it hard to prove when certain groups are facing discrimination based upon belonging to that group


the SS numbers here are based on our birth certificates, which denotes m/f with even asking you... i'm sure the socialists in Canada are the same there...


it may be documented there but that involves a lot more research to look into each ssn and sort through which ones were in a demographic
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msharmony

Sat 04/30/16 07:18 PM



biology is not a societal ideal
oh tell that to anyone who is religious .. Lmao .. Biology .. Sexuality .. Gender .. Label it how you want it impacts on identity and how we fit into society .


religion has nothing to do with biology,,,

and sexuality is different than gender as both are social constructs that are fluid, and not a biological fact, and haven't been inquired of on any application I have filled,, banking or otherwise
Edited by msharmony on Sat 04/30/16 07:17 PM
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RebelArcher

Sat 04/30/16 07:19 PM



biology is not a societal ideal
oh tell that to anyone who is religious .. Lmao .. Biology .. Sexuality .. Gender .. Label it how you want it impacts on identity and how we fit into society .
You can label it however you want...but that DNA you can't...either male or female...just like the boxes they want checked.
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ErotiDoug

Sat 04/30/16 07:24 PM




** Canadian Banks only require ( S.I.N.) Social Insurance Number. All

other information is optional.


*All funds (cash, chqs. other)must go into the account, then may be

with drawn. All movement of money is very closely monitored. smokin

** Hard as heck to move um Private money **


that's an option too

we could make it all optional, but as I said, because I don't mark it doesn't mean those providing service don't observe it,, and no documentation makes it hard to prove when certain groups are facing discrimination based upon belonging to that group


* Correct " hard to prove when certain groups are facing discrimination based upon belonging to that group "

* Mortgage still widely vary as to "identified groups"
** In the past "employment group" was the bench-mark.
** Today's banking combination is firmly: employment and cultural association. This is reflected in "risk and bank growth"
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msharmony

Sat 04/30/16 07:27 PM

male and female are not gender

gender is a social construct, like race

male and female are sex denotions, biological

MALE:


of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.



FEMALE



of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.





applies to animal , plant , and people


and the definitions are not from the bible
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Rock

Sat 04/30/16 07:31 PM

"it" should conform to existing societal rules.

Not the other way around.

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RebelArcher

Sat 04/30/16 07:31 PM





biology is not a societal ideal
oh tell that to anyone who is religious .. Lmao .. Biology .. Sexuality .. Gender .. Label it how you want it impacts on identity and how we fit into society .
You can label it however you want...but that DNA you can't...either male or female...just like the boxes they want checked.
equality says otherwise .. Why should it matter . Give me one good reason why gender matters on a bank application :-)
I'm not saying it does.... but that's the way it is....have it changed....or check the damn box.
And equality has NOTHING to do with DNA...you're either male or female...you damn sure can't be genderqueer or whatever other made up word the mentally sick use to make themselves feel better.

The original term was Gender Identity Disorder... DISORDER....as in something is wrong...and it needs to be fixed.
It was only changed to Gender dysphoria because snowflakes feelings were getting hurt.
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msharmony

Sat 04/30/16 07:32 PM





biology is not a societal ideal
oh tell that to anyone who is religious .. Lmao .. Biology .. Sexuality .. Gender .. Label it how you want it impacts on identity and how we fit into society .


religion has nothing to do with biology,,,

and sexuality is different than gender as both are social constructs that are fluid, and not a biological fact, and haven't been inquired of on any application I have filled,, banking or otherwise
religion .. Attempts to control reproductive behaviour .... Biology 101 ... Lmao ..

You seem stuck on biology .. So if someone is born as a conjoined twin .. Should they remain that way .. It is biology ... how they were born .



I'm not stuck on biology, the terms male and female refer to anatomy, which is biological

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ErotiDoug

Sat 04/30/16 07:39 PM

** Focusing drinker
* The OP link is to the antiquated British Banking system. laugh

** What information is required in American Banks, to open an account ?

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msharmony

Sat 04/30/16 07:42 PM


** Focusing drinker
* The OP link is to the antiquated British Banking system. laugh

** What information is required in American Banks, to open an account ?





I don't remember it all really, I just filled it in with what was requested,,

I'm sure name, address, ssn, references, and contact information were required though