We're seeing the results of this real online propaganda war here in the US, as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/31/world/europe/russia-finland-nato-trolls.html?_r=0

The Russian government is promoting it's interests through deception every bit the same way it did in the past, when they were Communist. Only now, they are fooling and convincing the people who you would LEAST expect them to enlist against their own best interests.

contrary to your liberal views, not everyone agrees with NATO... i sure as hell don't, and lots of northern europeans don't either... so they are trolls just because they don't agree with the same things the author does?

Propaganda wars didn't stop because communism fell in the Soviet Union.

Another assumption you are making is that because I challenge claims made by Russia trolls, that I blindly support anything and everything that NATO has ever done or does now.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house

Salutin' Putin: inside a Russian troll house

Former workers tell how hundreds of bloggers are paid to flood forums and social networks at home and abroad with anti-western and pro-Kremlin comments

just like working for Hillary, huh...

go Russia go!!!!

Edited for off-topic targeting of other members,
kindly keep to the topic.

soufie
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Russia never stopped being "communist."
At best what was adopted were some "democratic" means.

Democracy and communism aren't mutually exclusive.
One doesn't negate the other. One doesn't magically dissolve the other or make it so both can't flourish.

No more than there is an absolute demarcation between capitalism and socialism.

All you're ultimately saying is "The Russian government is promoting its interests, the same way it always has, and the way it knows how."


Kind of like shaming people to pay their "fair share" of taxes.
Or arming rebels in the middle east or south america.
Or colluding with one mexican cartel to eliminate other cartels and marketing it as a win in the war on drugs.

They are doing nothing new or unfamiliar to any other government that ever existed.


Worthwhile thought about what's going on in the world requires worthwhile information of what's going on in the world.

And you're giving us the article "Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation" which is just more evidence that information on the web is worthless.

Seems you're making the argument to get people to stop thinking about what's going on in the world because there's too much information that can't be trusted, since the internet is being flooded by the work of "armies" to provide disinformation and propaganda.

And since "they are fooling and convincing the people who you would LEAST expect" then that information can be anything, anywhere, from anyone.

Not to mention attacking those that are attempting to provide worthwhile information until the attack causes them to second guess themselves and influence their motives thereby influencing what information they offer, poisoning that well.
From the article "“They get inside your head, and you start thinking: If I do this, what will the trolls do next?” she said."
That just creates another bias.
How can you trust what she says anymore, as it may be highly edited to avoid the consequences from the trolls.


How exactly do you know who is or isn't a Russia troll.
Especially when, again, you say "they are fooling and convincing the people who you would LEAST expect them to enlist against their own best interests."

How do you "challenge claims made by Russia trolls" when they are "people who you would LEAST expect" to be trolls?

Unless they are easy to spot?

And if they're easy to spot, how do you know they aren't just diversionary trolls?

There ya go. That's what I'm talking about.

NATO needs the image of Russia as a major adversary in order to return to the center of global affairs by proving there are no other options to maintain security in the region other than US-Europe military alliance, Moscow's envoy to the bloc says.

The alliance is shifting to Cold War-era schemes of maintaining security in Europe, believes Russia's envoy to NATO, Aleksandr Grushko. To pursue that goal, the alliance consistently eliminates the tools created once the Cold War was over, literally "inviting us to return into the past," he told Rossiyskaya Gazeta daily.

Political efforts alone would not be enough to break this tendency, it implies a rejection of "confrontational military planning," Grushko said.

NATO-centric policies based on Europe-US strategic ties lay claim to remain the only source of security and to do so they need a major foe the alliance is supposed to be countering, he said. These policies also have another aim to make Europeans to hike security expenditures and buy American weapons, according to Grushko.

After all, the quality of European security will be defined not only by Russia-NATO relations, but also by creating a collective security means to deal with common threats, Grushko forecast.

The US military command in Europe has set the task of promoting American interests "from Greenland to Caspian Sea and from the Arctic Ocean to the Levant."

"The question is: where is the US and where is the Caspian Sea?" Grushko said, noting that Russia has interests of its own and is going to ensure them. Still, the country's military might is concentrated on its national territory, he noted. "All this is not a secret for our partners."

All attempts to test Russia's borders with reconnaissance flights and approaches of warships with cruise missiles to minimal distances to Russian naval bases would not be left unanswered.

While Turkey's president recently claimed that the Black Sea is turning into a "Russian lake," NATO must be well aware that it will never be a "NATO lake," Grushko stressed.

'More assertive Russia'

Visiting Poland in the wake of NATO summit to be held on July 8-9, the alliance's Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg once again reiterated NATO's readiness to repel "assertive" Russia, though stressing that a new Cold War is undesirable for the bloc.

"We don't want a new Cold War. We don't want a new arms race," Stoltenberg said in a speech at Warsaw University on Tuesday. "Our aim is a more positive and a more cooperative relationship with Russia. At the very least, we must work towards a relationship that is more predictable."

Preferring Putin to Obama is like preferring the firing squad to hanging.

not preferring one over the other... just pointing out the only way Russia is our "enemy" is the justification of NATO buildup and the 600 billion dollar military budget (US)...


our military budget is twice as much as the next five countries added together...

just more liberal lies to further their agenda...

The logical propaganda goals of the Russians, are going to include

* convincing as many people as possible that the Ukrainian government has fallen under the control of neo-Nazis, so as to mute any criticism of their direct support for so-called "rebels" there, who are actually Russian expatriates (moved there while the USSR controlled Ukraine), and Russian regular army units, disguised as "civilians."

They've already managed to steal back the Black Sea port of Sevastopol and the entire Crimea, and are well on the way to cutting Ukraine in half, to take the eastern portion of it.

* persuading people that despite having less technology, that inexplicably THEIR bombing of Syrians has been effective, while ours has not. It's a lie, but when their military has zero observers, it's easy to argue.

* using existing prejudice and hatred of Obama by the right here, to use them as foils to gain traction against US interests throughout the region. This has been very effective, since anti-Obama people are willing to believe ANYTHING that sounds bad for him, without bothering to notice that they are undermining their own interests, even including the US itself.

* persuading Russians that ending their brief stint with democracy is a great idea, because daddy Putin is so strong, that he can frighten and confuse Europe and the US into letting him get away with almost anything.

This is working so far too, especially here, where more and more people are being fooled into describing him as a "strong leader," rather than as the murdering dictator that he is.

where's any references for this?