whatever,,, hands up don't shoot is symbolic

no one knows whether he had his hands up or not at some point during the period of minutes the whole incident took to occur

MS you discount everything that doesn't support your "view".
These are WITNESSES...people who SAW the events as they happened! These are not "theorists" or "speculators". IF he had his hands up the WITNESSES would have seen it! OMG

these are witnesses, who did not see the WHOLE Event

some saw from the point he ran,, some saw from the point he doubled over,,,most did not see the WHOLE event unravel

and whether he did or didnt is irrelevant to the symbolic nature of sayibg 'hands up dont shoot'

at this point, truly,, whatever

'hands up dont shoot' is a trivial distraction to even address or argue about

and there werent a crowd of people that day standing by from the moment mike ran to the moment he fell


it is brave to tell the truth under scrutiny, but were the scrutinizers the police within the community or other community members,,,,,?

who knows, and who cares,, its nothing to do with the original discussion on statistics and what they 'prove' about BLM concerns

and the FACT that this person was unarmed and shot dead


peace

People should care about the truth even if it doesn't fit into their narrative.
And "hands up don't shoot" is a trivial matter? It was the basis for
the group BLM getting notoriety. It may have started after Treyvon Martin but hardly anyone heard of them until the criminal thug Brown was shot after assaulting a store owner then going after a policeman and his gun. "Stand up Don't Shoot" became the rallying cry even by misguided politicians and sports figures. All naive about how untrue the "slogan" was and is.

It is what it is and that is all it is....Peace out

"And actually according to his report Blacks were LESS likely to encounter deadly force than Whites."

Exactly. The actual statistics go against the claim that "unarmed black men are more likely to die by the gun of a cop(or more accurately, at the hands of cops, not always shot but choked or mauled or beaten) than an unarmed white man"

whatever,,, hands up don't shoot is symbolic

no one knows whether he had his hands up or not at some point during the period of minutes the whole incident took to occur

Here's an even "bigger picture" observation for you to recognize, Searchin4...

the reason WHY people of ALL kinds try to use statistics in the ways that you are fussing about, AND why they do a generally bad job of it:

it's because using statistics is what the mainstream American business and political world has been shoving down our throats, ever since the idea of Business Science got going way back when.

It is NOT because the people you happen not to like are any worse than the people who you DO happen to like, whoever they may be.

It's the same reason why, when pretty much ANY problem is brought up these days, the people charged with addressing it DEMAND statistics, specifically so that they can LIMIT HOW MUCH THEY SPEND TO ADDRESS IT.

Further: how ELSE do you propose to try to deal with things such as racism? Really?

Here's a true personal story example:

I grew up here in Pre-Civil Rights Virginia. I saw first hand, how the racists pulled stunts, when a local swimming club my family wanted to join, started to offer memberships. We had to fill out forms, make phone calls, prove income, and then there was one more step:

We all had to go down to the club offices in person, for final approval.

Our family heritage was from the midwest, so my parents didn't think anything of it, and were very pleased when they were immediately welcomed into the club membership.

It wasn't until a few months later, during the height of the swimming season, that my parents began to notice that there were nothing but white folks there. They put two and two together, and we left.

That kind of thing was the staple for all the racists in the area, whether they were selling memberships in clubs, or houses. No one ever WROTE DOWN that people were rejected for the sake of race, they just quietly did so, and then denied, denied, denied, that there was any such thing going on.

It wasn't UNTIL the statistics were used, that something legally actionable could be accomplished.

Statistics in this kind of situation are indeed annoying, and frustrating impediments to actually dealing with the problem.

But the thing is, there ARE no other tools that can be used to stop the bad behavior.