It's always the cops or whitey taking advantage , killing, and making black lives difficult depending on which group you listen to. Meanwhile black on black crime, murders, and abuses are higher than they have ever been, but the conversation isn't about that!

What about ALL abuse, ALL crime, why not about those who always seem to avoid prosecution even when they tank the economy and steal our homes, jobs, and savings, creating the chaos..... No.... we bail them out!

How about those responsible for creating the unrest in the world, jeopardizing our country, lying to us from their guilded, guarded chambers? The ones with the large pensions we give them for life for allowing us life under their bad decisions.... while we get welfare, food stamps, taxes and SS paid for by money that was ours in the first place!

Nope! It's about guns, terrorism, or racism! It's the peoples fault for not borrowing and spending enough! The Beast must be fed! Or is it the FED is a Beast?

But this isn't even really about all that.... but it is

It's never about the conversations that should be had, or by the people with the power to do something about it. Those people are too busy running for re-election, campaigning for a corrupt nominee, or selling their brand of racial hatred from their studios and newsroom around the country. After all, violence, sex, corruption, and religion are the big markets in this economy, and now it's a multi-billion dollar election year with the two worst candidates they could find to distract us from the failures the two party system has sponsored for us!

Us against them, white against black, guns and terrorists, the 1% against the rest of us..... but they offer us another (and probably the most corrupt example of the 1%) corrupt Clinton or a billionaire real estate mogul to lead us out of our misery!

I don't know about most of you, some I have my concerns with, but I don't have a racist or bigoted bone in my body! I don't need someone to tell me how I should think or who my enemies are..... I guess that makes me the enemy somehow though because I support the Constitution and peoples rights under it that are being taken away in the name of our security and safety from THE ENEMY.... details at 11!

I've always hated the analogy, but it surely is becoming "We the sheeple"..... and I am sick in my heart and soul what we have allowed our real enemy, ourselves, to reduce us to in the name of progress and prosperity by not using the true power we possess but instead let it be destroyed and taken from us by the tricks of the carnival barkers we call politicians and social and religious icons.

jmo

my opinion is that when you have hundreds of millions of people , there are a lot of discussions going on about a lot of things,,,

so many, that the press could not possibly report them all,,,

for me, I don't have an 'enemy', and I am happy to be safe

we live in much more advanced times than the founders did,,,and there is no way they could have ever foreseen todays climate ,,,or known the best way for us to coexist and possibly flourish in it,,,,

imo i think many groups of people bring on their
own problems by not doing what they need to do to
sustain their very existence------- and actually doing
a lot to make their existence even worse than it
actually would be if they put in just a little effort
to get along in life



but hey what do i know

that is the beauty of the world full of billions

'many' do 'many' different things

the beauty and the ugliness both

[wink]

true

I think your spot on
There are lots of distractions from keeping the conversations on what is the most useful and helpful for all concerned.

I think its helpful to remind ourselves of that often

Oh and remind ourselves to listen before we speak

I think you need to take a closer look at yourself. The fact that you take all these things personally as you do, suggests that you aren't as confident as you pretend to yourself, that you are without any guilt or responsibility.

I agree with the general idea that the national conversations still aren't on target, and some of what you pointed to are among the subjects not being seriously addressed.

But another general observation that I think applies to exactly this subject, is that too many people want to find one, simple answer to every problem. Declaring that a problem should NOT be addressed is just as much of a destructive oversimplification as declaring that it's all due to some "ism" or another.

Psychologizing a bit?

Responding to his statements.

Conversation is good, talking about things gives us information to be aware of what is happening to us and our surroundings. But what good is there when all that comes out from the mouth of every individuals are trash talks, what good would it do to our community? Shouldn't we be more responsible of the words that we speak , think before we speak, listen before we react, be aware and careful. We are all responsible for our own actions , and in everything that we do if we are conscientious , if we do the right thing and do our duties as a responsible citizens then there would be no fights, complaints or disagreements. Instead of crying out loud of our grievances , why not take actions in finding solutions to the problems, in thinking what is good for everyone not just for our own good and interests? People have become so self absorbed , have closed their eyes and ears to what is truly happening with their environments, have turned blind and deaf to the truth, hearts hardened by the harsh world......everyone defending their individual rights, shouting their grievances, blaming each other, wrong understanding of people empowerment lead by power greedy politicians. I believe we should all examine ourselves, as citizens what do we contribute to our community, why don't we think and discuss community development programs to enhance livelihood and for the betterment of our lives instead of organizing crimes or forming groups that create chaos? I believe that would be a useful and helpful conversation.

Yea.. We do have the wrong conversations. Because most people live in a box & are content with that. Poor bastards. They believe mommy & daddy will take take of them & wants what is best for them. When in reality they are just pawns.

Igor, I do take it personally. I have children and grandchildren and hopefully great grandchildren in my lifetime.

On the other hand, as a Marine I swore an oath to protect not only my rights but the rights of others, and I see them trampled on far too many fronts, to all classes, races, and creeds of people under the dome of US icons, the media, and leadership, and it offends me.

The media was meant to be the peoples truth to power, instead they have become the voice of the elite and power brokers, the banks and corporations. They set our styles and give us our opinions.

Jackson Browne said it best.... "they sell us everything from youth to religion the same time they sell us our wars."

There is no relevant conversation when the voice of the people is a directive to the media narrative from whatever source has the most money or "sell-ability" to profit from it.

In 1913 our govt sold "we the people" to the federal reserve banks and its registration and taxation departments. People had to be recorded, registered, and classed for repayment. Our "freedoms" had to be designated and controlled to comply, and govt grew to become a power over the people thru the control of the debt machine of the central banks.... namely, the IRS and dozens of other record keeping and regulating bodies.

So yeah, it is personal, and should be to everyone on an individual level for over 300M people most who suffer from the wrong conversations and directions implemented at the top!

I assume (yeh I know a fool hardy thing to do) that this question/statement was said as a put down of looking at things with a psychological view.

As I understand psychology is an attempt in the understanding of self and others.

I would think Psychologizing is one of the more useful conversations to have.

yeah,, I would think that too,,


but,, it is a diverse group of 'thinkers'

We cannot totally eliminate the negativity in this world, greedy and selfish people will always make a way to stay on the top. Money, connections, positions ...these are used by the people who are in power for their own selfish interests. But we are all individuals who have our own lives to live...a life bestowed upon us to take responsibility and to live it by our own choices. We cannot let the government or the media run our lives. We find different ways and means to live and survive. We cannot totally blame others for the situations we have created upon ourselves, well except natural calamities and other uncontrollable circumstances. We just have to look for better ways to provide for our needs. Let others shout with all their might, listen but don't be persuaded without proper understanding, let others speak and hear them out but don't react in hastiness. Let all informations be your tools to make your life better and don let it be a distraction in your pursuit for personal growth and development. Let your voice be heard when you are already successful and be a good example to all.

as you stated,you assume!
you might look up the Term,though!

What I was trying to get at, and did a lousy job of it, is that we are all being pummeled with accusations of the sort you say.

All of us. Including some of the people who we are told are the ones making the accusations.

When I asked about taking it personally, I was referring to the fact that each of us chooses which of the messages to listen to, and be sensitive about.

We can choose to listen to the ones targeting our race, or not. We can choose to listen to the ones targeting our income levels or not. We can choose to feel personally targeted, or not.

I hear attacks on whites all the time. I'm white, so I could feel as though they meant me, but I choose not to. ESPECIALLY when the attacks are broadsides against the entire race, because an unfocused attack is always a selfish rant. I hear attacks against Southerners, against older people, against heterosexual males. I'm all of those things, too.

It gripes me that a whole lot of commercials are designed to try to make me feel bad about being low paid, a member of the underclass, one of the ones unable to, for example, buy my daughter a brand new car for her sixteenth birthday. I'm also an outcast because I DON'T have to struggle to figure out where to spend all my air travel points, by making extra trips to Cancun with my five girlfriends.

But I know they aren't REALLY trying to get my goat, they are trying to put out broadcast insults, to get a rise out of us, in the hopes of "harvesting" our anger and frustration, for their own political or commercial benefit, and they really don't even notice me as they do so.

So I choose NOT to play their games, and get upset with them.

Well that was interesting I finally got around to looking it up.
Seems I'm still going to have to assume as I find it can be taken in more than one way.
The first being how I took it initially. Being that psychoanalysing is not a good thing.
The second being that the psychoanalysing was wrong which I now assume is how you intended it.

Which just goes to show how much assuming we do when deciding on what conversation we are best to have.
So it pays to revisit and question our assumptions on a regular basis.

Because we usually assume we are right

I don't think it is so much that we are best to choose what we listen to, as it is that we are better to choose what value we assign to what is being said.

When we choose to listen or not we run the risk of denying something that exists and make ourselves blind to it.

When we assign a value to what we hear we are free to reevaluate it at any time and utilise it to our advantage.

I think the concept of us assigning value to our experiences rather than expecting that value is something that is fixed is a new frontier