what i actually and deep seeded within me BELIEVE:
1. God (i believe Science explains God like the majority of Scientists WHO BELIEVE IN GOD claim Science does) - (i like what the ancient Greek Historians wrote about Yeshua being a real person, performed miracles beyond all other human capabilities, was crucified, and 3 Ancient Greek Historians even wrote He factually Resurrected from the DEAD)
2. I buy Science absolutely with one exception that we should be removing we evolve from other Species
At last it seems we are getting some answers.
First you believe that someone a couple of thousand years ago was crucified. As were many others at that time, since it was the standard method of punishment. They would chop your hand off if you stole a sheep!
Second you believe that this particular person somehow 'rose again from the dead' as it says in various books, mostly written by ancient greek historians (the other books I guess are wrong).
Next, you believe in the achievements of science, except those that don't match with your own ideas, namely the evolution concept. If we didn't evolve, where did we come from? Ah, I get it, you have a belief similar to that of the JWs who think the earth was made about six thousand years ago, following a biblical calculation. You've said before you believe that calculation to be in error, so although your belief is similar, you would disagree with the six thousand years old figure.
The JWs have an answer for everything. If you ask them about fossils they will tell you that god put the fossils in the ground to be there for us. Can't imagine why she would do that, but of course they don't know 'why' she did that. Why would god want to confuse us into thinking that the fossils are proof that the age of the earth is greater than their figure of six thousand years? They can't answer that.
Sounds like your reasoning is similar. Like them, you have a belief that starts off by saying, "This is what I believe" and then where the scientific observations of facts don't agree with your stated belief, you bend them into something that will fit. The JWs do the same thing! Why do that? Why not accept that your starting point is quite simply wrong? Why not revise your theory to match the known facts? Your continual struggle to make the point, complete with the stupid use of boldface, capitals and italics is so unnecessary! In the early days of computing, the use of capitals was considered to be shouting. Are you shouting at other contributors? Does that make your point clearer? It's just annoying!
The very worst scientists are those who have a theory and then conveniently ignore other observations that might suggest their ideas are wrong, while making much of those theories that might suggest their theory is right. As I've said before, the best scientists try as hard as they can to disprove their theories. Only when they fail to do that will they consider that maybe, just maybe, their theory might be right.
I must check out the beliefs of those scientists who believe in god. Somehow I think they will also believe in evolution - but I'll get back to this thread with some quotes if I can find any. Not sure how you will handle believers who accept evolution. It is quite possible to believe in god while accepting the theory of evolution. Yes, there are gaps in our knowledge, but have you noticed how every few years another fossil is discovered that closes one of those gaps? Soon the theory will be complete, but I guess some people still will not accept it.
Evolution is accepted by everyone I know and have ever known since school days. That is how we are here. Even the Catholic school I attended taught evolution and that was in the 1960s before many of those gaps had been filled. The only people I have ever found who not accept evolution is those JWs, again. So I wonder if you feel that god put human people on this planet and despite the well known bad effects of inter-breeding, expected us humans to breed among ourselves until we reached the point today when there are about nine billion of us on this planet.
I asky myself, why choose a 'belief' that in some ways flys in the face of known facts? What is the point of that? And why go into all that detailed argument about which writings in which books are the 'true' ones and which are (for some reason) 'false' writings? I suppose to back up your belief theory. After all, if one says X and another says Y then you will pick the one that confirms your belief and then try to convince people about thr rightness of one book, or translation, and the implied 'wrongness' of another.
Why the continued need to provide 'testimony'? If what you believe in was agreed by all, there would be no need to do that. I guess you know that most people disagree with you, so you provide all these stories about your past as your 'testimony'. Curiously, nothing like that has ever happened to me. I don't need any testimony to try to prove something I believe in that others might not believe in. It is quite unnecessary!
I don't disbelieve that there have been several charismatic leaders of people in human history, including one who might have been crucified, as many others were at that time. Sounds barbaric to us these days, but there are still countries where you can be strapped into a chair and deliberately killed by poison or electricity. We still do the same thing, but just do it in a more modern way.
As a humanist, I am appalled that in this 21st century some people on this planet still deliberately take the lives of others. I am a pacifist and would never do such a thing, it is horrendous. Yet Christians sometimes wear a cross around their necks to remind them that their leader was put to death. Many women wear a cross as jewellery, perhaps forgetting what it means to their religion. Others believe that the bread and wine offered in their services become the actual body and blood of the man who was crucified! Yes, that's true, I was brought up a Catholic and know all about what those poor misguided people are told to believe. I feel sorry for them.
For me, belief comes from within. It is not something you can be told to do by someone else. It 'just is'. Coming from within, I try to treat others as I would like them to treat me. Fortunately the death penalty is banned in my country, the UK. If not I'm sure I would be among those petitioning those in power to ban it.
I find that JWs and others with similar beliefs are deluded into believing in some magic being. If god is all powerful (as I was taught at school) is it possible for her to make a rock so heavy that she can't lift it? That is one of many conundrums which of course can't be answered, suggesting to me that it isn't actually possible for any being to be all powerful. Does it matter? Is it important that your god is all powerful? Is it important that your god loves every single human, regardless of whether we love her and 'obey' her in return? It is anathema to me to be told that I have to obey some rules, made up by men, in the name of some imaginary being! No thank you, sir, I follow my own internal moral guide. Nothing to do with being a humanist, I only every heard of humanists a few years ago and suddenly realised that I am one, and have been for a long time!
I don't need any 'testimony' and frankly have no idea how the amzing things that happened to you could have happened. Others have put forward possibilities which of course you have denied. It doesn't matter to me what happened. All I know is what you believe happened. I suspect the real truth was quite different to what you believe. No need to argue the point because your belief is solid and you're not open to other explanations. If any of those things happened to me, I would be looking for explanations that most certainly do not include some imaginary being. That's a getout for you because you don't want to consider the truth of what actually did happen in reality. You pass the buck if you don't understand something and just blame it on god. A scientist will puzzle over the various possibilities and if nothing fits will say that the happening is beyond our current knowledge to explain. One day, we will have the answer. But likely long after I'm gone, sad to say. Seems you can't accept that, everything has to be explained today and god is a pretty good scapegoat, 'cos she can't answer your claims!