so whats your point here? in 2008, at the same time, obarry said she was not presidential material...

my point is both sides pick and choose the information and associates and critiques that fit their bias


instead of observing what the CANDIDATES themselves do and say and what their history of experience has been

both lie, so the character assassination is irrelevant

and its hard to claim 'self made' when you are given tens of millions of dollars to start with and an already established business, name, and network of banks and colleagues

and that 'success' means little without accompanying integrity

both lie, so the character assassination is irrelevant

and its hard to claim 'self made' when you are given tens of millions of dollars to start with and an already established business, name, and network of banks and colleagues

and that 'success' means little without accompanying integrity

I said both have 'lied' ,by the common use of the word

what self made billionaire has lots of integrity? trumps daddy didn't build the casinos, hotels or towers, he did...

Yeah, which means if they lied.. they are liars.. about as common usage as it gets.

you are a liar or you are not.. simple as that.

So, if Hillary has lied, as you stated. How do you know when she is lying and when she is telling the truth?

If you are a liar.. none of your words can be trusted.

you mean the casinos and towers that didnt go bankrupt?..lol

Trump didnt build them, but some illegal immigrants were involved and some of his daddys money, and some banks whose relationships were well established by the Trump name already

Trump’s Taj Mahal opened in April 1990 in Atlantic City, but six months later, “defaulted on interest payments to bondholders as his finances went into a tailspin,” The Washington Post’s Robert O’Harrow found. In July 1991, Trump’s Taj Mahal filed for bankruptcy. He could not keep up with debts on two other Atlantic City casinos, and those two properties declared bankruptcy in 1992. A fourth property, the Plaza Hotel in New York, declared bankruptcy in 1992 after amassing debt.

PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004, after accruing about $1.8 billion in debt. Trump Entertainment Resorts also declared bankruptcy in 2009, after being hit hard during the 2008 recession.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/

then there is Trump steaks
Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
Trump mortgage
Trump magazine
Trump board game

,,and on and on and on,,,,

dont imagine someone without a certain family name and inherited network could have that many failures and still be considered a success

but the Feds have knocked on Trumps door nearly a couple hundred times actually


does it bother you to beat your wife?

(thats called a loaded question because it assumes a truth thats not proven)


but to the point,, no more than it bothers me for them to OWE anything to anyone who has supported them,, like voters,,

Yeah, which means if they lied.. they are liars.. about as common usage as it gets.

you are a liar or you are not.. simple as that.

So, if Hillary has lied, as you stated. How do you know when she is lying and when she is telling the truth?

If you are a liar.. none of your words can be trusted.

does it bother you to beat your wife?

(thats called a loaded question because it assumes a truth thats not proven)

i don't know, i see no proof of that.. but i do know they haven't knocked on trumps door while he's been running for prez...