Is to stop pretending that this country's people all need to prove each other are enemies.

Both primary political parties, a majority of the politicians, and a heck of a lot of people in forums like these, have all gotten into the habit of proclaiming fellow Americans to not just be wrong, but to be enemies of the United States, or of the law.

NOTHING positive can be accomplished to any significant degree, or for any length of time, as long as that is the attitude.

That's why I opposed both Hillary Clinton's approach to governance, AND Donald Trump's approach, and why I am so frustrated with the leadership of the Republican Party especially. All of them insist on declaring half or more of the people of the United States, to be enemies to be defeated.

My country will NEVER succeed under that kind of divide-us-against-ourselves politics.

definite food for thought

As an outsider, I haven't seen any of this on here, I have seen it on the streets by Democrat supporters.
BTW, Not all Trump supporters are racists or sexists, hurling labels and insults have not helped, if you're on the right, you're racist, you're evil and you're stupid, you're amongst a bunch of deplorables, attacked for voicing an opinion.

Nah, I haven't seen any "you're my enemy" for supporting X but I have witnessed a good amount of chitty behavior from a supposedly respectful segment of the population.

The main change we need is to wake up to the laws starting with recognizing what inherent and reserved rights are. Until then give us one good reason, just one why the guv should recognise any right we have if that we are too ignorant to know we even have? In other words, as an example, if I make a law that says you have to give me all your money and you do not know what the four corners of a contrat are then you will hand over all your money, because I said its the law. (despite its a violation of your rights)

anyone supporting the passing of regulations contrary to, or diluting the constitution without first taking sthe necessary steps to follow the 'rule of law' by passing an amendmant are generally considered the enemies of the state, even by the state.

one good reason is because governments are just people, and people have families, friends, and loved ones who have to continue living in the country

which is a pretty basic deterrent to intentionally screwing over individuals rights (unless you only isolate the law to individuals from other groups)

ALL THIS IS PURE CRAP......

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Kristi

I agree with this.. BUT, what are YOU referring to? who has done that?

back to the OP

I like your point about divisiveness,,,

I believe it is valuable for people to be able to have different opinions and perception without it always needing to digress to personal insult and character assault

I would like to see a change where 'agreeing to disagree' was as acceptable as political labels and character assassinations

It may start with trying to understand other perceptions, which is hard to do if those others are seen as nothing but 'the enemy'

they always say there is a lesson...
to be learned in everything ...
I have been a long time voter ...
and had a interests in politics ...
most of the time I try and stay away...
from this one thread ... just wanted to see ...
what people where saying in here ...
I do believe the USA is deeply troubled ...
and seemed to have gotten worse...
with this new elected President...
with the riots and the harm that is being cause...
by raciest people ... and one might think ...
with having a internet more understanding ...
would come from not being so raciest ...
I am disappointed in our policy's for voting...
and different in most states ...
and having the electoral votes count more...
then they should in elections ... so my lesson...
is not voting anymore ... to much corruption ...
I have never seen this much corruption come out so openly ...
an someone made a statement well you voted for them ...
so why are you B*tching now ... but if I take the side to not vote for either... if both are disliked so much ... this gives me more B*tching rights just sad to see our country come to this ... but I don't believe we should stop fighting for what we believe is good ...

I am sorry for those who choose not to vote

It is frustrating when elections come out this close, to know only half voted and to wonder about the 'what if'

but I also understand that if the voter feels like they really don't want any of the options and dont feel like there is any 'lesser evil' , not voting is a logical choice



If I had a choice of two boyfriends I loved, but one had the flaw of cheating, and one had the flaw of being lazy


I probably am going to choose the lesser evil of the lazy lover , because its not so terrible an 'evil' and I realize noone is perfect



however,


If I had a choice of two boyfriends I loved but one had the flaw of beating me and one had the flaw of cheating,, I would choose to be alone


so I can relate to a voter who honestly feels like there was no 'lesser evil' to choose

My country will NEVER succeed under that kind of divide-us-against-ourselves politics.

Sounds like a plan, don't it?

So, now we are listening to people who voted for neither Trump or Clinton?

They had a vote... they threw it away on either not voting or voting for some obscure person that did not have a snowballs chance in hell of winning.

So, now they want to complain about the outcome?... sorry . you really have no right to complain... you squandered your vote.

Being a Monday morning quarterback.. is very easy.. but doesn't qualify you.

What you say that you HAVE seen, is exactly what I am referring to. And if you haven't seen it here, you haven't been here long or read very much.

If you in particular have ONLY seen trump opponents behaving badly, it is because you are closing your eyes to the Trump supporters who have done likewise.

There are people who are said to be on the "right" who do it non-stop, as well as people who are said to be on the "left."

It is the action itself that I take issue with, not the "sides." Because regardless of the particular subject, if you declare that any entire GROUP OF PEOPLE are inherently defective, or that only your favored group are to be listened to, then you are choosing to NON-FACTUAL in your approach to life.

And that non-factual, non-logical decision is what I so strongly oppose, because I am a problem solver above all else. And I know from all manner of problem solving, that if you refuse to deal with what is factually true and logical, and instead insist only on catering to your emotionally pleasing distortions, you will solve nothing, and will make most problems very much worse.

You are 100% incorrect. There is nothing in the rule of law which says that no one is allowed to make mistakes in proposing laws. Nor is it a criminal act to follow the rules and pass laws, which are later determined to be Unconstitutional.

You seem to be saying that anyone who proposes or even supports a law or regulation which you don't think is Constitutional, should be treated as a criminal for even suggesting it.

And that is CERTAINLY anti-Constitutional in a VERY big way.

I suppose I should have been more careful in my wording. I was referring to the creation of regulations, which then are regarded as law, but unfortunately didnt clarify it. I am pointing out that there are lawful procedures that must be followed and met to enable regulations to be legitimately be made and thats not the way its done in the US. The rest is your taking the ball and running.

However that said there is no limit to the unconstitutional trash the legislatures can produce, and pass as law despite that it is entirely unconsitutional, and you are stuck with obeying that unconstitutional regulation forced upon you as law.

Lets take the states overlay of their flavor of religion enforced upon the mormons. You will obey the god state and 'its' religion or lose everything and end up checked in at the graybar hotel.

Where in the constitution did the people make an exception to the right to exercise their religion, granting the state the authority to establish a state religion in the form of a law that denies the mormons of their religion?

Thats a nice pie in the face argument since not only did the state establish their religion dogma, the courts supported it.

yo buddy you're the most brain clear one here....cheers ne~~~~~