nothing like a Good nights sleep

now, maybe others will want to contribute to the topic of CHICAGOS MURDER RATE and the op about bringing the rate down,,,

from : https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/chicagos-murder-rate-is-rising-but-it-isnt-unprecedented/

Chicago’s murder rate is high, and it has risen significantly in the last two years. But the recent rate of killings is not unprecedented: During the mid-1990s, Chicago experienced a higher toll of murders than it did in 2016.


Nor, despite the attention it often gets from Trump and others, is Chicago uniquely dangerous among U.S. cities.

According to preliminary data compiled by my colleague Jeff Asher, Chicago had the eighth-highest murder rate among big U.S. cities in 2016. Cities including St. Louis, Baltimore and Detroit have much higher rates, as do a host of other towns scattered throughout the United States.

Trump made the murder rate a focus of his attention during the campaign, as well. But both in Chicago and on the national level, the murder rate during the 1990s was significantly worse than it is now. Other kinds of violent crime have persistently fallen since that time as well and, unlike murder, haven’t shown a big increase in recent years.

Trump reported in his tweet that “killings” are up 24 percent from 2016. That’s consistent with Chicago Police Department data cited by the Chicago Tribune,1 but it may not mean much — with less than a month of data in 2017 so far, estimates of the murder rate increase are incredibly volatile. Numerous factors can contribute to short-term spikes (or dips) in the murder rate: This January has been exceptionally warm,2 for example, and we know that warmer weather tends to increase violence.

Furthermore, the rate of shootings has not increased as much as murders in 2017, and shootings are a better barometer of gun violence than murders. There are also signs that Chicago’s police are changing their approach in response to the recent violence; that’s important because there is evidence that the rise in murder was at least partly related to a pullback in proactive policing since 2015.

If new police strategies prove effective, and if trends in the weather and the deadliness of gun violence become more normal, Chicago’s murder rate may drift lower even without Trump’s intervention.

Don't like the true.. heh,, don' recall anyone coming to depute it

But.. I know.. it hurts.. again. Sorry


so be it.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. so we know its not the guns, it the liberal thugs that think they are some kind of bad **s. they are not they are only cowards, but its interesting that the most violent cities are the ones run by democrats with democrats making up the majority of their constituants.fact check that and you will see i am right.Its only a matter of time before republicans turn these troubled cities red.

If new police...if trends in the weather... may drift lower...

The problem is guns and violence, and the military isnt needed to address that.

there is nothing PASSIVE in training police and enforcing gun laws or any of the measures taken in the past that saw crime rates DECREASE

let the people in the impacted communities vote if they want military intervention

what is your solution?

Why would anyone NOT be in favor of armed forces taking charge and restoring peace in a troubled city?

Unless they have a deep distrust of their military,

Why would anyone NOT be in favor of armed forces taking charge and restoring peace in a troubled city? Unless they have a deep distrust of their military, I see no reason not to deploy teams and curb the drug dealing gang bangers, the killings, it's all about drug dealing turfs.

I been thinking of MsH theory of murders being cyclical, this is true, murder rates can drop with no intervention, but they could also double from the peaks of 700 to 1400... easily!

Why would anyone NOT be in favor of armed forces taking charge and restoring peace in a troubled city? Unless they have a deep distrust of their military, I see no reason not to deploy teams and curb the drug dealing gang bangers, the killings, it's all about drug dealing turfs.

I been thinking of MsH theory of murders being cyclical, this is true, murder rates can drop with no intervention, but they could also double from the peaks of 700 to 1400... easily!

That's a lot of speculation.
Might as well say "if leprechauns prove to be true, and if they migrate to the U.S., then maybe people can wish for peace and fortune."


If the military isn't needed to address that, then what use training the police? What kind of training do you think police are receiving to handle guns and violence, if those are the problems?



The article is saying the weather is also responsible for crime rates.
There's no guarantee that any of the measures taken in the past had any effect whatsoever on crime rates.
It seems all could have been due to atmospheric fluctuations and temperatures.


And if less than half the population votes, and barely more than half of those vote yes?
Chicago is a city of suburbs.
What if the least populous suburbs vote "no" while the single most populous suburb votes "yes" and the military couldn't "invade" without affecting the neighboring suburbs that voted "no?"
And can the military soldiers from Chicago vote?

What if in the middle of military intervention, the city decides to have another vote to get rid of the military?
And then when they're leaving, decide to have another vote to get them to stay and intervene some more?
And then get mad at some collateral damage and have another vote saying "get out!"


For me to stay out of Chicago.


It sets a precedent that can be misused.
How many times have you read about Obama doing something and someone responds with something like "well, republicans did it too! Bush did it too!"


I have a deep distrust of the people that control the military.
You really want potential (in my nightmare) President Nancy Pelosi in control of a military that can be sent to any city she defines as a "problem?"
Using what Trump does as a precedent to protect herself legally? Justified by "alternative facts" and government double seasonal adjustment u-3 not u-6 let's just change how we measure things and leave out what we feel like then publish corrections later statistics?

So you are labeling the National Guard as " armored legal gangs"?

The National Guard is a gang.. really?

Are they a gang when they are there after Hurricanes, floods, natural disasters.

Are the ones patrolling the train stations and airports with assault rifles ready ( to protect us from terrorists.. also a gang?

noone has put forth a 'lets sit back and see' angle

the 'angle' is 'lets not occupy the streets with military when there are other more LONG TERM solutions'

and 'lets not ASSume that things will get worse and worse UNLESS/UNTIL military get invovled'

where gang is : a group of persons working together

yes, they are

they are also

ARMORED

they are also

LEGAL


any military unit is a gang of legally armored people

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the thread is not about the POTUS
the thread is about potential ways to address the MURDER RATE in CHICAGO