The govt says there is no such arrangement as common law marriage

To be married you must be registered and licensed by the govt

This began after a palamony suit a while back and court ruled you are either married or you are not .... if you are you will have a license

marriage is just a word

the government has what they 'recognize' as marriage, meaning what they are willing to be a PART of themselves

we are not mandated to make them part of our relationships, just because they do not 'recognize' that its a marriage, makes it no less of one

just keeps them out of it,, literally,,,,

Depends on where you live. Here....after meeting certain criteria, you qualify for common law without a license but need to get a legal divorce.

Glad you said that lol .... in Ohio law passed no new comman law after 1991 ..... Texas law is vague on time frame but says present selves as married enter contracts together take others name ...... but didn't see a time listing

But entering into a cohabitation agreement would be suggested to help avoid common law marriage

I agree, to a certain point.
Marriage can happen between two adults without a government sanction. As long as they do not wish to claim tax benefits, government involvement, or use official entities to dissolve the union.

However when age is considered. Others in society will have a problem with said marriage and call in government entities to regulate. If children are involved, government steps in and changes the terms of the partnership agreement for the sake of the children's welfare. No matter the will or wishes of the parents. Just like you must register every child with the government upon their birth. Try not registering a child and see what happens.

can you give an example of what you mean, government changes the partnership agreement for the sake of the childs welfare?

or what 'registering' a child means?


I am only aware of registering for a social security number or birth certificate, which allows the child to be COUNTED and included in the protections of and obligation to their nations laws

I had a neighbor that was living with his GF in their own apartment in Missouri. They were both under the age of 18. He was 17 and his girl was 16. There was an argument one night and the police were called. The police not only dissolved the union but brought charges against the apartment owner for renting to a minor.

A coworker went thru a very long period of time where the family services entity in Ohio made him leave the home due to an anger issue he was having. No charges were ever filed but the courts would not let him return to the home until certain government sanctioned events were completed. Family services then dictated his life and his families lives by inspection and threats.

When my youngest child was born I failed to register her with social security. When I argued that I shouldn't have to I was detained and conducted to "family counseling" sessions even tho I subsequently did register her.

The government is deeper into our lives than we like to admit and with homeland security measures as they are now, I suspect they will gain a tighter reign.

This forum is proof the govt should have stayed out of a religious ceremony

Look at the confusion that has arose from the govt involvement

Another point govt says a minor is barred from entering a contractual agreement. ... that should in its self answer the age issue

Can a married minor void the contract e to not old enough to enter into a binding contract

If not does that make them an adult thus receiving the rights & responsibilities of an adult such as driving (if pass test) and voting

If not why not .... the govt said they are mature enough to marry which more than likely will lead to having kids ....

Kids are a major responsibility yes you can have kids & not be married but that's not what this is about well actually acing kids unmarried at 14 show immaturity buþ does getting marred magically lead to maturity

Either one is mature or not if govt sets an age then it should be across the board all maturity needed issues should come at the age of an adult

I'm not trying to be obnoxious but I still don't get it

in the example with the teens living together what 'union' was dissolved,,,? were they forced to break up with each other by the police?


there is just not enough detail to discern the reasons behind the other examples,,,,

there are laws about age of consent that a person is considered knowledgable to enter into contracts

there is a process and investigation that brings children services into someones life (for protection of the children)

and who did you 'argue' with or get 'detained' by regarding social security?

one is mature enough to get pregnant, physically, often before they are mentally or emotionally mature enough to handle pregnancy alone,,,

however , once they are pregnant , the question of maturity is moot, its done, and they are already physically bound to a partner, so the maturity to consent factor of a marriage contract is also no longer a relevant one

Yes.
According to my friend they both were returned to their respective parents.


We were at WIC to pick up the other 3 childrens gift. The woman at WIC asked us about our infants SSN and when we told her that we were not going to apply she called the police. I was detained by the police when I argued that they had no right in my family's business. I wasn't jailed but I was taken to the station. I was advised by my attorney on the phone to obtain a SSN for her and was released after my attorney talked to the officer in charge.

My coworker with the anger issue had no charges against him from his wife. The charges were filed by the police. Granted I don't know all the details because it really didn't concern me past trying to understand why he was missing work. What it did teach me is that if the police are called to a home with children for any reason, it is up to the police whether or not child services get involved. Once they are involve it is extremely difficult to get rid of them.

I have no problem with the concept of child services. However, I do have issue with being made to jump thru hoops at the whim of government concerning you and yours.

You avoided the hole point and went of on having kid marriage is an emotional (mental) response not physical thus maturity is as in the thought process kinda thought the 14yo example made that obvious

Guess I expected 2 much

can you make the point more concise then,,,lol

laws are in no way absolutes,, details matter even then

there is no 'do this, get that PERIOD' format to the laws

You just stated the biggest problem with society

How is anyone supposed to know how to act when the govt does not keep its laws precisely enforced

um,, is that a rhetorical question?

we are too many people for one size fits all anything

we have 'basic' expectations and laws, to reinforce our living knowledge of 'how to act'

Laws ARE written so yes, they are absolutes.

Punishments for breaking the laws are not absolutes.

Policing the laws is not absolute.

Defending and prosecuting the laws are not absolute.

Once a policy becomes a law it is written and becomes record. That makes it absolute. Laws can be significant or insignificant but they are still laws. One of society's problems is that there are too many laws to be effectively policed and prosecuted. Again, government (society) is involved where family morals and education used to be.

We don't need more police. We need families to teach their children morality and good decision making. A police officer that is arresting a drunk for jaywalking and putting him in the 'drunk tank' is not available to stop the fight in the street.

I set my cruise control at 5 mph over the speed limit on highways. I go by a police car with radar but do not get pulled over. I am breaking the law. Others whiz past me at up to 15 mph faster. They are breaking the law as well. When the police go after someone that is speeding it is because they are driving recklessly or being a hazard to life.

Did you know:

In Arizona you may not have more than two dildos in the same house?
In Colorado keeping a house where unmarried persons are allowed to have sex is prohibited?
In Georgia all sex toys are banned?
In Indiana it is illegal for a man to be sexually aroused in public?
In New Orleans it's illegal to use fortune-telling, astrology or palmistry to "settle lovers quarrels" and necrophilia is legal?
In Mississippi Adultery or premarital sex results in a fine of $500 or 6 months in prison?
In Pennsylvania oral and **** sex are illegal and you cannot cohabit with an "ancestor or descendant."

There are thousands of laws and they are all absolute, but not enforced.

the absolute context

absolute: not qualified or diminished in any way; total



in the sense that there is no law 'do this and get that, period' because laws have many qualifiers and allow much discretion,,,,

See, I don't agree with that.

Laws are absolute, they are specifically written.
Qualifiers, discretion, loopholes and circumstances that people utilize to get around the law are actually breaking the absolute law. It happens because Judges are permitted to break laws.

If I write a law that says;
You are not allowed to put your hand on that red hot burner of your stove.
The penalty is that your hand will be burned and you will receive pain.
If a judge hands you a oven mitt you can place your hand on that burner without being burned.
You are still breaking the absolute law but you are doing so from an allowance.
The law is absolute. It reamins absolute because it is written. Just because you got around the law does not mean the law is not absolute.
It remains absolute unless everyone is provided with an oven mitt. At that point, nobody can break the law and that law needs to be recinded or modified.

When laws are not absolutes they are no longer laws they become suggestions

When they are suggestions then the rich can twist the way the laws can be interpreted

Why

Because there are no absolutes

Thus with enough money you are above the law when the laws are not absolutes