Experience is NEVER what's 'wrong',, lack of experience is
(except to alternate facts fans)

oh, and I believe the 'tired of the establishment' bs is something they tell themselves and others to look less like they are supportive of bigotry and divisiveness,,,,

many NON ESTABLISHMENT people they would not have voted for,, for instance

FARRAKHAN or SHARPTON , they didn't want 'change' that bad,, they wanted someone saying what they felt and making it acceptable for them

kind of like how people wait for the first couple to go on the dance floor,, he was the one that took away the need to feel self conscious about their own bigotry and/or incivility

lol, thank you, I had to think of some people this crowd would probably know....

I beg to differ, not in this case at least.


Why not Paris Hilton? she's hot

and not experienced or mature.

She has plenty of experiences


I always said Clooney would do well, that's about it in the US entertainment world.

This thread gave me a huge chuckle today MsH... thank you

I believe he would do well too, having heard him speak..lol

And I also believe he has educated himself about government and global relations as well. He certainly has the demeanor and maturity.

and yw

Oh wait, he's white. never mind.

Yeah! I have her cd and I love it! You know the one with Do Ya Think I'm Sexy?

Well the word BS and the names FARRAKHAN or SHARPTON certainly belong together.. so I agree with that.

Eh.
I probably wouldn't vote for her.
Depends on who she was running against though and what she was running on.

I mean if it's 2020 and it's Trump vs. Hillary part deux with Oprah running 3rd party spouting libertarian free market or capitalistic ideals (which made her "empire" possible), I'd probably vote for her.


That would definitely put her on the democrat/liberal ticket and was an interesting story.

Oprah didn't really give away the cars. Pontiac gave away the cars as part of a promotion, on Oprah's show.
The cars legally counted as prize winnings and were taxed as income, so recipients had to pay several thousand dollars to keep or sell the cars.

IME that's pretty much what politicians and especially democrats/liberals do.
Downplay corporate influence, increase the tax bill, screw people over, all while getting the people to believe the politician is doing something positive by pointing to a short term tangible benefit that really hurts people in the long run.

And you have to paint a pretty picture when you speak to people.

And what was said above me.

when Pontiac decided they wanted to participate in the Oprah show giveaway they paid a lottery tax on the value of the promotion as well as the write off on cost of the vehicles.

I guaranty Harpo Productions was the recipient of the vehicles then upped the full retail value of the vehicles when they gave the cars away taking full price tax deduction on the giveaway. You're right, the audience did get taxed on the full poke value

so your saying you would not vote for Obama or Clinton. They had no integrity and took no responsibility for any of their blunders, but they were long on BS.

yes.. we can't have that next time.. we have to take turns.

I voted for white men my whole life,, as has most of America,

the problem with Springer is he isnt a billionaire, and therefore not so obviously brilliant and capable of leading,,,,,

integrity: moral uprightness

OBama, no affairs, scandals, lawsuits, no misogynistic speech, pretty solid integrity

not to mention passing up private lucrative law to work in underserved communities

ran on healthcare reform which was passed, and representing Americans of all types, which he exemplified in his support of same sex marriage and reformation of drug laws and adding jobs that were previously hemorrhaging,,





Clinton, likewise, showed GREAT integrity in her choices to pursue civil service instead of private status and wealth, in assisting the underserved to get basic healthcare that she could already provide her family, in working with battered women, and in choosing to run against a dog of a man without sinking to his level


Trump, by comparison, well there is none

born wealthy, spent a life giving to nothing that didn't serve as status or increase to his own wealth, three marriages, six bankruptcies, thousands of lawsuits, dozens of flip flops just during a year of campaigning, never changed his own kids diapers, constant namecalling and empty accusations against any one that accuses or blames him for anything, talks about women like animals and uses his status to treat them like it too,,,,the list of things that are the OPPOSITE of integrity are too numerous to list here

Hillary has political experience, but I am against her in most of her views. And her opposition had really come against her.

Obamacare does not seem to be working quite as well as Obama had said it would. Remember, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Hogwash! And liberals would bring us toward globalization, where we were part of the world, and not so much part of the country. Many of us who believe in God, do not believe in liberalism.

I know OBamacare wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but its working better for 20 million who signed up and those who could not afford it or be eligible before. I feel those stories outnumber and make the other stories worth it.

I believe people are brainwashed to hate conservatives or liberals and define them by the most extreme characterizations. I believe BALANCE is important, where we are united as Americans but embracing of the WORLD as well.

OF course conservatives are labeled as seeking homogeneity and stagnation and liberals are labeled as without boundary or standards. I believe most people actually don't fall on either such extreme, but may only lean further one way than the other.

I believe in God and the BALANCE taught by Jesus of discipline, love , AND compassion.

Gates didn't come from poverty. His father was a very successful attorney and his mother was a very successful businesswoman.

The end of society. It honestly amazes me how people do not understand why Donald Trump is our president now. All I can say is It might not be to late. 4 years with him not winning? Game over.