The "Muslim Ban" was to be a temporary restriction of certain people of high risk countries until proper screening procedures could be established to determine if they were a threat to people of our country...
Did we not do something similar 20+ years ago to restrict certain blood donors of a high risk lifestyle until proper screening procedures were in place to help identify and prevent harmful contamination of our blood supply.

It is not a "Muslim Ban" it's a "Travel Ban" which has been put in place by several President's .. It is something common that a President does it was put in place on 911 as well by Obama they normally do it for like 6 months - a year while it is in place they may go back and check those that have come in as well...

And yes it may seem like a Muslim Ban due to most of the Countries names are dominate Muslim's.. But it is a Travel Ban from certain Countries that seem to not have our best interest at hand.. And due to past attacks..

Protection and security should be a Presidents priority concern to its citizens..

It was portrayed here by the media as a bad thing.
But. . Normal people on a whole can see what it meant! Stop and take stock of a situation! Like you would of any situation surely.
Like a serious injury, stop then think then sort it!

It is never a bad thing to Protect your Country and the People within it! It is a President's duty or Head of a Country Duties to do just that At All Cost!

No matter what many will not agree with a Travel Ban.. it is only for the safety of a Country and the people within..

It is being put up towards a Bill that you will soon need a passport in order to fly anywhere within the States. Once that happens then in order to fly if you don't have a passport you will not be able to fly no where..

They did a similar thing here for internal flights and flights to Ireland. mainly for identification purposes. Now I think a driving licence will do.
Maybe it's the same as we have here at the moment, the opposition will always go against the grain just because they like to disrupt everything and dam what happens!

If you look at most 'old' countries in the east there are check points and you had better have your papers and a reason for being there or you get detained. Plus, you can be asked for your papers randomly.

That means they ARE looking at the people in their countries.
I think that is a good thing.

Passports to fly within the states is just a start.
It could spiral to a point that state border crossings have check points at the roads.
We already deal with police spot checks on the highways.

Imagine that anytime you see police they will stop you and ask for your papers if they don't recognize you?

Can you imagine life where the police perform apartment, subdivision or rural spot checks unannouced?

The question becomes which is more important, national safety or personal freedoms?

The NSA and DHS already has the technology to 'see' the money you carry. We have such a huge electronic fingerprint that they can already know just about everything there is to know about us including our medical history and our favorite television programs. The can tap into our locations from our cars and cell phones and even have the ability to amplify our conversations and see our sillouettes theu walls and roofs.

They only thing that restricts their invasion of our personal lives are the laws that protect us thru our citizen rights.

BUT, If it is deemed a national security matter they have a way around those laws and rights.

It could become invasive very easily under the guise of national security blanketing 'protection'. They don't even have to tell you. All they need to do is declare you or your area an ponit of interest and they can 'look' at anyone. They may be watching you right now. Recording your patterns to a hidden database.

I'm just saying that things can go from bad to worse easily because the technology to do this already exists and it is getting more efficient at a steady rate.

Careful what you wish for and all that jazz.

They do argue that here, how far will it go.
The point is made that if you have nothing to hide then what's the problem?
Most everyone has a mobile or cell phone as you say so 'big brother ' can know if they want to.
Another quick one,
I noticed in a car the other day, the on board information screen /sat nav /radio /phone thing is powered by ,yep, you got it. ...Microsoft!
So is that information available to?

The CIA used all my minutes...

People can't wrap their heads around the concept that information is forever in some way shape or form.

Even what is written here has an electronic history.

Did you know that your new car can be shut down and disabled from a distance electronically? Its sold to you as theft protection but the DHS or NSA can not only track you, listen to you they can stop you and make your car unuseable.

Just think about what information can be gleaned from everything you must 'register' anywhere. It is a record that is you.
You pay a subscription to that car satellite radio. The car is registered to you and the on-board sat nav is linked to your car's computer signature that is linked to your car's VIN that is linked to your registration. It may not be you driving it but it is your 'official' roperty and ultimately your responsibility.

Your computer OS is now linked to you as well. Your ISP has a bill that is linked to your financial institution which requires (in the states) an proof of identity and a social security number which is linked to your national employment records based on your birth certification.

Your money has a strip in it and your credit cards have chips that can be read at a distance with the right scanners.

Your driver licence has a scan bar on it that is also remotely accessible.
All your services at you home have their usage tracked (for billing purposes) which is a history of your activity if they want to look. DVRs and Satellite TV systems have viewing histories logged.
They can even track your groceries bought from your purchases on your card.

Its sickening to realize just how much information they can get on you if they want.

In the states, They do put tracking sensors in the highways on new construction. I have worked on the equipment used to lay them down.
They say it is for 'future' automated systems and safety but your car computer has an RF signal that they are designed to read. An RF signal that is unique to your VIN by the onboard vehicle control module.

Facial recognition from traffic cams. Those cameras could one day have sensors that pick up your chip in your credit cards as well.


Privacy and Freedom.

Perhaps you don't have anything to hide. But, others around you may make you a target of interest just because you are near them. Like I said, once the data is gained they are never going to throw it away.

In the future they could watch neighborhoods and make changes that affect everyone there, even if you did nothing wrong. Police blocades, search and seizures, hidden surveilence and that isn't the worst that could happen. Think population controls. They have lethal and non-lethal devices that can incapacitate large groups at once. Sound, gas, light, vibration devices that can make you sick or passout. Plus many can be deployed without population detection. Then they can send in teams to your area to "check your well-being" and search your belongings in detail with photo or electronic documentation and be gone before you wake up.

The technology is already here. They already do it with NSA/DHS approval. They may be doing it secretly already. It hinges on policy changes under the guise of Homeland Security and Citizen Protection.

Very interesting tom. as on here, I looked at some drills earlier and now I get pop up advertising of drills,

Something I just read in my science digest feed has me thinking of future ways your privacy and freedom might be jeapordized by technology in the wrong hands.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/new-superglue-could-seal-deal-stretchable-batteries-soft-robots

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Who needs RFID tagging if you can be marked with a patch under the guise of health monitoring?

No, we did not block certain people from entering the country to protect the blood supply. And there were ALWAYS health restrictions of various kinds on who could or could not donate blood. Not an apt simile.

The big problems with Trumps infamous Muslim ban, was and is how incredibly sloppy and illogical it has been in each of its incarnations so far. The entire idea of it, is based on the entirely FALSE assumption that there have been NO checks of any kind being done on anyone now. In addition, it targeted a lot of countries, but none of the ones who we had had definite problem people come from in the past.

It's not the overall idea of protecting the country, that people objected to, it is the way that Trump insisted, and keeps insisting on doing it.

Doesn't matter, the numbers are way down any way. Illegal Immigration down too.

The U.S. accepted 2,070 refugees in March, the lowest monthly total since 2013, according to State Department data. April ended with 3,316 refugees admitted, the second-lowest total since 2013.