Topic: Saying "I'm sorry"
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SparklingCrystal 💖💎

Thu 07/06/17 11:25 AM

A bit of an odd one, never thought about it...
You can feel sorry for having hurt or upset someone, say "I'm sorry" and really mean it. Yet at the same time you may not really have done anything wrong other than upset/hurt the other.

Difficult to give an example, let's say both parties had different needs in the moment but didn't know it from one another. Meaning neither was wrong, but one could get hurt by it nonetheless.
If you then say "I'm sorry" is that right? Sure you are sorry for having hurt the other, but you haven't done anything wrong, not really. It was just unfortunate.

Would you feel guilty or bad, as if you'd done wrong, in such a situation?
I mean, don't we automatically feel guilty or bad when we say those words "I'm sorry"? Isn't that somehow ingrained in our system: Sorry equals guilt.

Freud or Jung prolly could've explained this... Anyone? Or your own experiences?
(hope it's clear what I mean, grin)

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Beachfarmer

Thu 07/06/17 11:33 AM

It's why I never congratulate a pregnancy unless someone says they're pregnant.
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SparklingCrystal 💖💎

Thu 07/06/17 11:35 AM


It's why I never congratulate a pregnancy unless someone says they're pregnant.

Haha, you're making me laugh again... first your motto, now this, lol.
And yes, good policy! Saw a woman the other day that had me thinking "Is she beached or pregnant?"
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Mike6615

Tue 07/11/17 09:49 AM


It's why I never congratulate a pregnancy unless someone says they're pregnant.


When they tell me they're pregnant, I usually say, "So then, that (pointing to baby bump) is NOT beer-related." Always gets a laugh.
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TMommy

Tue 07/11/17 10:54 AM

Im sorry this is not the answer you were hoping for
I'm sorry this makes you uncomfortable
I'm sorry that you found my words hurtful
I'm sorry that you find my honesty too brutal


see how this is different then just saying I'm sorry
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lu_rosemary

Tue 07/11/17 11:19 AM

I'm sorry I say anytime I feel I've disappointed someone and make sure will never happen again..It is the normality of Day to day life..

I'm sorry I say when someone tells me they hurt, how can I help and how can I make feel better.. Sometimes it works, other times with no success.. it's part of life, I presume.
Edited by lu_rosemary on Tue 07/11/17 11:22 AM
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IgorFrankensteen

Tue 07/11/17 01:20 PM

I think you're talking about how much more subtle and complicated the idea of apologies can be, than many people recognize.

It might be left over from when we were kids. The first apologies many of us learn about, are the times we are forced to say "I'm sorry" to someone who our parents decided that we had to apologize to. I suspect most of us deduce from such experiences, that apologies are a sort of combination of things. Some of those things are almost contradictory.

I remember when I was a kid and had to say sorry to someone, that the overall thing I was doing included admitting guilt, erasing my debt to the other person, and being punished by having to humiliate myself in front of both parent/authority, and the other kid. Most apologies at that age, aren't genuine, from the kid's point of view.

When we get older, unless we put in the effort to really think things through in detail, we can end up with a lot of confusion and internal frustration about whether we even should apologize at all. A lot of adults add the idea of apologies as bribery or as payoffs to people who we upset, to the list we have left over from our childhoods.

If you get serious and careful customer service training, as I did, you might be introduced to the idea of apologizing to an upset person, not for what they THINK you did wrong, just for the fact that they are unhappy. The idea there, is not to accept any guilt or responsibility at all, for what the customer WANTS you or your employer to do, it's just to try to calm them down enough that you can start investigating all the details of why they ARE upset. Then if you work for an honorable company, you'll go from investigation to solutions for the customer. So that kind of apology is a bit like what I think you were talking about in personal situations, where you are apologizing to someone when you don't actually feel that you did anything wrong, you just want them to calm down.

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mysticalview21

Thu 07/13/17 11:09 AM

I am not sure if I said I was sorry the other day ...
just to calm them down... as someone said before ...
can't remember... but think I did ...
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Tom4Uhere

Thu 07/13/17 11:47 AM

First of all, I don't say I'm Sorry unless I really am.
2nd, I don't apologize for someone else's inability to deal with their own emotions.

If I say I am not feeling well today and someone says oh, I'm sorry.
My first response is
"Why?"
"You didn't make me sick today and I am not so fragile that I need your sympathy. I only said that because my performance and attention might be otherwise directed towards myself."

I believe we have all lost loved ones.
When I say my father died years ago people automatically say "I'm sorry"
I didn't kill him?
You didn't kill him?
You didn't even know him or my relationship with him?
Why would YOU be sorry for my loss?

I bump into someone at the store.
I don't say I'm sorry, I say oops. Didn't see you there.
Now, if I knock their baby out of their arms, then I would say I am sorry for my clumsiness. Then I would look to make sure the baby didn't need medical assistance.

Too many people live with their feelings open and raw. In this world you need to grow a skin. The pussification of the world continues.

Personally, I'm NOT sorry unless it was something I actually regret.
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Thu 07/13/17 11:48 AM
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SparklingCrystal 💖💎

Thu 07/13/17 01:50 PM


I think you're talking about how much more subtle and complicated the idea of apologies can be, than many people recognize.

It might be left over from when we were kids. The first apologies many of us learn about, are the times we are forced to say "I'm sorry" to someone who our parents decided that we had to apologize to. I suspect most of us deduce from such experiences, that apologies are a sort of combination of things. Some of those things are almost contradictory.

I remember when I was a kid and had to say sorry to someone, that the overall thing I was doing included admitting guilt, erasing my debt to the other person, and being punished by having to humiliate myself in front of both parent/authority, and the other kid. Most apologies at that age, aren't genuine, from the kid's point of view.

When we get older, unless we put in the effort to really think things through in detail, we can end up with a lot of confusion and internal frustration about whether we even should apologize at all. A lot of adults add the idea of apologies as bribery or as payoffs to people who we upset, to the list we have left over from our childhoods.

If you get serious and careful customer service training, as I did, you might be introduced to the idea of apologizing to an upset person, not for what they THINK you did wrong, just for the fact that they are unhappy. The idea there, is not to accept any guilt or responsibility at all, for what the customer WANTS you or your employer to do, it's just to try to calm them down enough that you can start investigating all the details of why they ARE upset. Then if you work for an honorable company, you'll go from investigation to solutions for the customer. So that kind of apology is a bit like what I think you were talking about in personal situations, where you are apologizing to someone when you don't actually feel that you did anything wrong, you just want them to calm down.



Yes, I think that's exactly it, that last bit, where you say sorry to calm someone down.
Indeed, if you don't take on board guilt or responsibility, I guess it's not so bad. Provided I suppose your feeling to want to calm them because you care is genuine. I mean, you can also do that and not give a toss, just want to get out of a situation asap.
Intriguing material to ponder...
Communication is far more complex than we tend to think, isn't it? Especially since much of it is trained behaviour. Or maybe even all?
Okay, now I'm getting a headache, grin.

Thanks for your feedback, appreciate it!
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SparklingCrystal 💖💎

Thu 07/13/17 01:55 PM


Im sorry this is not the answer you were hoping for
I'm sorry this makes you uncomfortable
I'm sorry that you found my words hurtful
I'm sorry that you find my honesty too brutal


see how this is different then just saying I'm sorry

Yes, but again one could ask the question if they really are sorry or don't give a rip and are simply being polite, or trying to calm you down.

I think in many cases phrasing it that way could even upset someone further?
I think it would go down better if you'd say:
-I'm sorry I made you uncomfortable
-I'm sorry my words hurt you
etc.

By using "you find" you kind of keep a distance emotionally, which can easily feel like you are just saying it because it's polite, but don't really give a rip.
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technovative

Thu 07/13/17 11:00 PM

"I'm sorry" isn't always an apology, or meant as an admission of guilt for a perceived wrongdoing. Oftentimes it is meant as an expression of empathy and solidarity. Admirable qualities to possess and offer to others.

I completely disagree with Tom's comment about the "pussification" of the world. Sensitivity and compassion are positive traits in my opinion.
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dolphin0925

Thu 07/13/17 11:44 PM

Saying I'm sorry doesn't necessarily mean you are guilty for doing something wrong. For me it means that I care about how you feel. I say sorry because maybe somehow I have caused someone to feel bad or may have put someone in an unfavorable situation, feelings or thoughts which we didn't intentionally do. Sorry is a word that connects us with another's emotion and gives comfort, showing them that we understand and feel them.
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scepticalsoulmate

Fri 07/14/17 03:30 AM

saying im sorry is like a force of habit with me. its kinda equivalent to excuse me i guess . it just makes a difference the way i say it and show how really sorry i am especially when i am at fault.
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TMommy

Fri 07/14/17 04:18 AM



Im sorry this is not the answer you were hoping for
I'm sorry this makes you uncomfortable
I'm sorry that you found my words hurtful
I'm sorry that you find my honesty too brutal


see how this is different then just saying I'm sorry

Yes, but again one could ask the question if they really are sorry or don't give a rip and are simply being polite, or trying to calm you down.

I think in many cases phrasing it that way could even upset someone further?
I think it would go down better if you'd say:
-I'm sorry I made you uncomfortable
-I'm sorry my words hurt you
etc.

By using "you find" you kind of keep a distance emotionally, which can easily feel like you are just saying it because it's polite, but don't really give a rip.
by using you find
instead of first person I
you encourage someone to take ownership of their own feelings
instead of saying someone made me feel this way
you are saying that this person is having an emotional response to what is being said
.sorry..it is one of those counselor thing a ma bobbies..

so many people walk in door and say

" my mother makes me so mad"
" my kids are driving me crazy"
" my husband makes me sad"


so part of the 'job' we have is redirecting that way of placing the blame on someone else for how you feel
and teaching someone that if you can at least understand that those words that someone says trigger a response in you
be aware of it
and now what do you choose to do about it?


and yes it does tend to aggravate them at first bigsmile
and yes there is this expectation if you will
that we are supposed to respond with " I'm sorry"
especially when someone is sharing something painful or hard

Edited by TMommy on Fri 07/14/17 04:23 AM
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TMommy

Fri 07/14/17 04:30 AM

oh in real life? I don't use that phrase unless I really mean it
and it means I screwed up and I am truly repentant for it
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Maxsterx

Fri 07/14/17 06:36 AM

All these women apologizing...have I died and went to heaven?
Somebody pinch me.what
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nit2017

Thu 07/20/17 07:53 PM

And what about when a person says how "deeply sorry" he/she felt but through a text? Does it carry the same weight as when over a phone or in person?

Would you convey sorry through text when you really meant it?

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no1phD

Thu 07/20/17 08:11 PM

Ohh.. I'm always sorry for something..lol.. I'm sorry baby for being such a selfish bastard.. but but I couldn't help myself.. you know how much I enjoy doing you first..
I'm so selfish...((( I'm a monster )))for giving you oral pleasure..frist... I know baby!! I should have put your needs first I'm sorry..lol
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no1phD

Thu 07/20/17 08:13 PM

And baby I'm so sorry for cleaning the house and making dinner without you.. but but I thought it would be nice surprise for you to come home to. A nice cooked meal and a clean house..ohhb baby.. I'm a monster can you forgive me.. please pretty please... I know I'll go back in the bedroom take this apron off and put some clothes on.. I feel horrible I'm so sorry baby..lol