Agnostic,witches , or just spiritual with the universe. These are much more accurate terms. To be atheist you have to deeply control your thoughts but you believe in so much littleness its almost silly because in the end you believe Something cane from nothing and the Something continues soon, rethink it intimately you believe something do some research on it , people trip out sometimes when my beliefs hit the air but I love it because I have facts and strong opinions backed up o in the end prop will listen to me and I can open up minds. Not change someone's beliefs but get there minds open to new ways of thinking that aren't really that crazy

not trying to argue but your post sounds like a crazy man rumbling with all the typos and incomplete thoughts

We atheists do not really *believe* that the Universe came from nothing. First of all, you need to understand what *nothing* means in Theoretical Physics. It's not what you think.

Long story short, you (as a religious person) may either *believe* that the Universe came from nothing or you may believe that the Universe came from something magic which, in turn, came from nothing.

You may tell me... hey! God always existed!
Well... if your head can accept things that always existed... in this case... you can accept that the Universe always existed.

The difference between the Universe and the "something magic" you believe is that the Universe is here for us to see, touch and experience, whilst your "something magic"... well... is not more than wishful thinking.

Firstly, the reason I'm agnostic is because the first rule of scientific method is a falsifiable hypothesis, which means it's impossible to categorically state there is or isn't a god or gods. Regardless of opinion or sentiment or intuition it is simply against the rules of scientific method, so cannot be stated as fact one way or another without being either pseudoscientific or unscientific.

One can only say, this does not fall within the realm of scientific method, therefore your opinion on the matter is just as valid as mine.

Therefore there is no argument with religous people unless they're being pseudoscientific, ie. using bad science, in which case the argument is with the bad science and not the individuals nor their beliefs and opinions.

However atheists are often just as pseudoscientific in their arguments, categorically stating there is no god(s) defies a falsifiable hypothesis in the first place, so is not scientific.

And just as often religious people may not be theologically educated enough to argue their points of view successfully, in the same fashion many atheists aren't scientifically educated enough to argue their points of view very well.
So agnostics can often wind up in arguments with both, though intrinsically have no fundamental argument with either.

This isn't fence sitting, it is correctness. Our social existence however isn't about correctness or being corrected. It's more about appreciation and things like that.

In this vein the statement that atheists believe something came from nothing is pseudoscientific, atheists tend to cite science and the standard model states that mass-energy can be neither created nor destroyed, only transformed. That means there is no time where there has been any more nor any less total energy in the universe than this moment, it is a constant, but the form of the energy can change via molecular structures, etc. giving the visual impression of more or less content. There is no true scientific definition of empty space, the closest thing to it is a zero point energy field, but a field of energy nonetheless, a virtual quantum field at worst. There is literally no such thing as a literal nothing in science.

Hahaha nice..Atheism is not a Belief ..bro ..

hahaha...Atheist and Agnostics are in the same forum..It should be separated you know.

Atheists simply don't believe in all of the hundreds of man-created 'God', 'Goddess' or similar imaginary beings. If an all powerful 'god' did exist, they would simply communicate their rules (if any) to us directly, not via contradictory ancient books!!! Religions are so obviously manmade tools... used to control and suppress people like YOU! It's 2018... time to reject ALL cults and base your beliefs in evidence-based facts!

After watching that history of universe theory on the history channel, given by that astrophysicist, I think he is close, but rather than being just a big bang, it is a continuing pulse.

Everything explodes in a big bang, then galaxies form, solar systems, stars and planets, then it all fades into a black hole, where it compresses so much that it explodes again causing it to happen over and over, in a pulse.

As a Christian, I have to say that there is a certain amount of 'something from nothing' in Christian and atheist or agnostic thinking.

The answer may never have the kind of absolute proof either side asks for. Both sides have to explain a 'beginning' because it is our mortal wisdom telling us that everything must have one, which requires there to be a 'nothing' that preceded it. The main difference is where the source of the beginning is.

the religious believe the source to be intelligent design, and the non religious believe the source to be a series of coincidences or accidents.

Hello fellow atheists!

Something coming from nothing is a form of supernatural but it doesn't have to be a God. It could be a system and inanimate.

I find this subject fascinating, frustrating and also enlightening. The more I read the more I feel that religion is a means to control the masses, from sinners to righteousness. Oh how organised religion has cornered the market in hate and fear. I’m not putting down spirituality, faith or belief. All of these are personal choices that we are all entitled to, but I will put down the argument that god, any god and there are many in religious practices around the globe, is all seeing and an all knowing entity that we are taught to fear.
On the other hand there are people whom will argue that these theories about god and religion are dreams of the weak and deluded. This is also disrespectful of faith in something, anything.
The overall consensus is confusion of the theological and the theoretical. Each saying you are wrong and I am right. ******** to any negative and discriminatory attitudes, we are all humans, we are all made of the same stuff.
I personally don’t believe in the god theory, I find it very contradictory and partially desperate.
I know I exist and I know the ground I walk on exists. The chemistry and makeup of the universe is there to see hear and feel. Theoretical sciences throughout history has become science fact. I cannot believe in something I cannot see hear or feel. Especially something that is vengeful and rules with an iron fist.
I’m a practical kind of person and don’t believe in religion, monotheistic doctrine and fearing something that should be loved. I’m believer that we are entitled to our own beliefs and if faith is God or evolution who are we to say the others are wrong.

Are you agnostic about fairies? Goblins? Werewolves? The Greek Gods?

You can be both agnostic and an atheist. The terms are not mutually exclusive. You can agree that it is not possible to prove god(s) don't exist, but agree that it is also probably the case that they don't exist.

(pointing the obvious out ...)
'beginning', 'everything, 'nothing' etc are only terms created and used for our convenience in everyday life and some more.

at least on the materialist side of things:
spatial and temporal boundaries for things and events are mostly defined by humans for convenience of understanding and transacting. a "beginning" is simply the transition of some matter and/or energy from some system/state to another (or between energy and matter). so, to that extent, the idea of "beginning" itself is questionable.

and then there is "nothing" ...

Well spoken. If atheism were a belief then "bald" would be a colour of hair and "off" would be a TV-channel.....

Atheism is the lack of any belief and has got nothing to do with abiogenesis (the origin of life).

so you're saying atheism is a religion for bald people who keep the tv off ? ok.

just kidding :P

FYI: I'm bald and do not have a TV... no kidding :)

Just out of curiosity, if everything had a beginning, then who or what created God? Oh, God has always been here? The view you won't let the atheists take about the universe?

God was created by humans, who needed to follow someone's advice, punishment, comfort. And at the same time, there was the urge to bow to a higher entity.

I had the opposite statement from an atheist the other day. She said 'Is anyone here religious?" I Answered that I am Christian. And she said, "It's all made up." I did not respond because when it comes to the unknown, or at least not scientifically proven, answer of where it starts, there is no sense trying to convince someone, on either side, if their mind is made up. I am much more inclined to engage with someone who asks things like 'why do you believe?" instead of someone who makes declarations about what I believe or if its wrong, before they even bother to ask me.