Topic: "scientific proof" that aliens coexsited with humans?
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Unknow

Sun 07/30/17 12:54 PM

Well, I'll give you half of that.
But for the op. The church would have good reason to cover it up so as not to endanger what they believe in!
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Kindlightheart

Sun 07/30/17 04:48 PM



alliens coexist with humans? for some reason I don't believe that.



most people don't, the religious dogma we are suffered to our young lives tells us that couldn't have happened... the existence of aliens would wipe out the belief in a god or gods...

Unless you read the book of Job..one of the questions God asks Job is does he (God) have a mother.?..I believe every thing is possible and we as humans have a God..perhaps aliens have a God as well..I don't credit faith to a book..I think it is born in us..flowerforyou
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Tom4Uhere

Sun 07/30/17 04:59 PM

Considering that if such a significant proof were found every news agency on the planet would be running the story, I consider this as baloney, click-bait journalism for the deluded.

Space is vast and populated with trillions of planets, so the idea that aliens do exist is understandable and a very likely possibility. Why they would come to this insignificant little planet makes no sense to me.

Why did they pick Earth to visit?
5,000 years ago we did not send out any radio emissions. No TV, no signals of any kind. Did they just gaze at their sky one night and say "Lets go to Earth and mess with them"? Did their scientists build a craft and send their crew to a random nearest star? Did their advanced sensors detect Gold in them thar hills? Are we just a refueling stop for a distant destination? It's just plain silly to think that we can fathom the minds of aliens.

If they were here for mining resources why did they leave in the first place? Are they curious to see how that primitive mankind is fairing? Is interstellar travel so commonplace for them that light-years is a quick jaunt to the store? Are we so special and unique that they just can't get enough of us? What do we offer that everything in the light-years between us doesn't have? Would you walk 3,000 miles to visit a kid that you met one day at a village? How many times have you done that?

What is our commonality?
Life? Are we the only life they have detected within their reach? Right now, with what we know, life is unique to our planet. If we find any life anywhere else it will indicate that life is common. Especially if we find it within our own star system. If that is the case, life nay not be unique at all. Their star system may be abundant with life.
Comprehension? Who can say if we comprehend anything the way they do? It's possible that they know something that we don't. Maybe the fact that we share the same galactic orbit as them makes us 'Brothers of the Orion Arm' or something?

Humans are the aliens.

Seriously, I believe that what we call 'aliens' are nothing more than an 'evolved' form of humans who have taken technology too far and are trying to travel back to possibly interfere once again with nature hoping it will prevent the things it messed up.


It is more likely that what we call aliens is nothing more than the inhabitants of a future Earth that has developed time travel. That scenario justifies most of the alien evidence if not all of it. It also explains the reported behavior and experiences of the so-called abducted. It justifies the ancient astronauts, the Gods of history and the archeological finds.

Imagine if you can, a culture that was forced underground for a millennia or more. A human culture.
What could happen to the human body under restrictive evolutionary conditions. What would happen to our eyes if the light was diminished over long time periods. If our bodies were exposed to certain chemicals and radiations changing our pigment to grey. Over time we would advance technologically and lack of strenuous work would diminish our muscle mass causing us to have wispy frail bodies with large heads and big black eyes. Perhaps a multitude of genetic mutations could occur.
After a vast amount of time, scientists may unlock the time-travel secrets and missions might be sent back to recover "clean" genetic code. Not only to repair our own mutated code but perhaps to repopulate many species.
There are so many scenarios that point to aliens as us, traveling in time, that to ignore that possibility is tantamount to the type of selective thinking that makes us believe they are really aliens.

The Bible is silent about extraterrestrial life-forms as popularized in science fiction and the entertainment media, yet it is by no means silent about real extraterrestrial life in all its great abundance. The beings spoken of in the Bible are real. They have appeared and spoken directly to humans (Genesis 3:9-10; 4:9; 16:9). The Bible records the existence of many millions of angelic beings (Revelation 5:11) who are “ministering spirits” to mankind in fulfillment of God’s purpose (Hebrews 1:13-14).

SOURCE: http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/extraterrestrial-life-what-does-the-bible-say

Again, This makes no sense. It assumes that humans and this planet are significantly important enough to warrant such attention.
*Number of superclusters in the visible universe = 10 million
* Number of galaxy groups in the visible universe = 25 billion
* Number of large galaxies in the visible universe = 350 billion
* Number of dwarf galaxies in the visible universe = 7 trillion
* Number of stars in the visible universe = 30 billion trillion (3x10²²)

It is now larger numbers and cosmologists estimate that each STAR has at least 1 planet. Ours has 8 plus many planetoids and other formations. If we halve our own example and figure 4 planets per star that is 30 BILLION TRILLION times 4 = 120 BILLION TRILLION possible planets!

If you plug those numbers into the Drake Equation the results are significant.
N = R* • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L

N = The number of civilizations in the Universe whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable.
R* =The rate of formation of stars suitable for the development of intelligent life.
fp = The fraction of those stars with planetary systems.
ne = The number of planets, per solar system, with an environment suitable for life.
fl = The fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears.
fi = The fraction of life bearing planets on which intelligent life emerges.
fc = The fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space.
L = The length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.
This only figures up to the point of being able to send communication into space. Reaching the stars physically is more complex.
The point is, why come here of all the other choices available?

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msharmony

Sun 07/30/17 11:26 PM


Well, I'll give you half of that.
But for the op. The church would have good reason to cover it up so as not to endanger what they believe in! And what they have "conditioned you to believe in!



I believe in the Lord, God, and the bible, nothing additional can really endanger faith,,,,,
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Unknow

Mon 07/31/17 06:54 AM



Well, I'll give you half of that.
But for the op. The church would have good reason to cover it up so as not to endanger what they believe in! And what they have "conditioned you to believe in!



I believe in the Lord, God, and the bible, nothing additional can really endanger faith,,,,,

I don't disagree with your beliefs,
It's what you have been conditioned to believe.
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msharmony

Mon 07/31/17 07:08 AM

lol


yep,, just like 2+2 is 4

read it, tested it over and over , and it rang true,,
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Unknow

Mon 07/31/17 07:15 AM

2+2=4? surprised no wander I failed maths laugh
If you taught a child from birth that snow white and the 7 dwarfs was real they would swear by that too laugh
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msharmony

Mon 07/31/17 07:22 AM


2+2=4? surprised no wander I failed maths laugh
If you taught a child from birth that snow white and the 7 dwarfs was real they would swear by that too laugh



yep that is true too

if you could keep them from information about the author or about determining fiction from biography or autobiography or documentary,,,etc


but there is that intersection where whats conditioned and whats true are the same,,,
Edited by msharmony on Mon 07/31/17 07:23 AM
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Unknow

Mon 07/31/17 07:29 AM



2+2=4? surprised no wander I failed maths laugh
If you taught a child from birth that snow white and the 7 dwarfs was real they would swear by that too laugh



yep that is true too

if you could keep them from information about the author or about determining fiction from biography or autobiography or documentary,,,etc


but there is that intersection where whats conditioned and whats true are the same,,,

Yes you are right.
Just a pity someone who is doubted so much doesn't just show up and settle it!
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msharmony

Mon 07/31/17 07:38 AM

wouldnt matter, some would still not believe and others would just take him more for granted,,,
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Unknow

Mon 07/31/17 07:41 AM


wouldnt matter, some would still not believe and others would just take him more for granted,,,

Maybe,
Just read your post in the other thread.
You can't pick and choose what bit you like to suit your self.
That is what the terrorists do, pick out bits of there book to justify what they do!
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msharmony

Tue 08/01/17 06:53 AM



wouldnt matter, some would still not believe and others would just take him more for granted,,,

Maybe,
Just read your post in the other thread.
You can't pick and choose what bit you like to suit your self.
That is what the terrorists do, pick out bits of there book to justify what they do!



?? it is not what I do.
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Unknow

Tue 08/01/17 06:56 AM




wouldnt matter, some would still not believe and others would just take him more for granted,,,

Maybe,
Just read your post in the other thread.
You can't pick and choose what bit you like to suit your self.
That is what the terrorists do, pick out bits of there book to justify what they do!



?? it is not what I do.

laugh tongue2
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lu_rosemary

Tue 08/01/17 01:48 PM




alliens coexist with humans? for some reason I don't believe that.



most people don't, the religious dogma we are suffered to our young lives tells us that couldn't have happened... the existence of aliens would wipe out the belief in a god or gods...

Unless you read the book of Job..one of the questions God asks Job is does he (God) have a mother.?..I believe every thing is possible and we as humans have a God..perhaps aliens have a God as well..I don't credit faith to a book..I think it is born in us..flowerforyou


Yes, faith it is born in us..!flowerforyou
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LeeFranklin

Thu 08/03/17 02:08 PM

So much mentioned here. I don't know how to multiple quote here but that would be too much anyway.

"Aliens"
Hard to quantify we are not the "Aliens" here on Earth.
Dropped of in the Garden of Eden to begin?

God is as real as Apple Pie and Ice Cream on Summer day with Friends and Family. God allows each of us to pursue our path and often that leads to him and his ways.

Some are lost always for various reasons.

There is a lot of evidence of God and "Aliens". Some recognize some things and other things discarded.

The Bible mentions God saying there are many rooms in my mansion.
A Preacher and I discussed years back that maybe God's mansion is the Universe.

The Bible is The Word of God written by men.

Even to most Atheist and/or Agnostic there is the scent of flowers and the ebb of tides in the Ocean.
I met one man in my life that is highly educated and said God doesn't exist. I laughed at him and discussion began. He was raised in Church and Church schools. He got smart I guess at University and turned to himself.

I guess I choose to believe the grass and air and water and such are not just coincidence. Maybe I just want to live in a better existence than one thrown together like scrambled eggs and I ended up here with you. I question these things daily to keep myself in check.

My Mom died when very young and was revived somehow about 1930 due to venomous snake bite. Really no treatments back then. Til the day she died she was quite exuberant regarding Jesus. She was a shrewd businesswoman here on Earth but was very firm regarding Jesus. I think I never saw her happier than the day before she died. She was like a little kid without a care. Hmmm...She was a bit dizzy most of the time anyway!

Pyramids were not built by Egyptians. About 200,000+ yrs old actually. The Egyptians just claimed them. Who is going to argue with them back then?

Romans similar. Many, many inventions and what have you are attributed to Romans. Who was going to argue with them? Concrete is known as Roman invention. Really?

There are just some factual happenings we cannot necessarily understand so we toss them to side as some of us are educated, angry or whatever. Some of the smartest people you will ever meet are mankind...Just ask them and they will tell you. Hahahashades

Edited by LeeFranklin on Thu 08/03/17 02:12 PM
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mightymoe

Thu 08/03/17 05:19 PM




alliens coexist with humans? for some reason I don't believe that.



most people don't, the religious dogma we are suffered to our young lives tells us that couldn't have happened... the existence of aliens would wipe out the belief in a god or gods...

Unless you read the book of Job..one of the questions God asks Job is does he (God) have a mother.?..I believe every thing is possible and we as humans have a God..perhaps aliens have a God as well..I don't credit faith to a book..I think it is born in us..flowerforyou


job was a good book, it taught us about a game playing god who uses people for its amusement...
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lu_rosemary

Thu 08/03/17 08:57 PM





alliens coexist with humans? for some reason I don't believe that.



most people don't, the religious dogma we are suffered to our young lives tells us that couldn't have happened... the existence of aliens would wipe out the belief in a god or gods...

Unless you read the book of Job..one of the questions God asks Job is does he (God) have a mother.?..I believe every thing is possible and we as humans have a God..perhaps aliens have a God as well..I don't credit faith to a book..I think it is born in us..flowerforyou


job was a good book, it taught us about a game playing god who uses people for its amusement...


I was just reading your statement, Moe..
question: (Why is it that one religion isn't enough anymore?)<---I do know it's a choice for everyone who believes in a God.

spiritual but not religious? flowerforyou

Edited by lu_rosemary on Thu 08/03/17 08:59 PM
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TVcameraman

Thu 08/03/17 09:36 PM



alliens coexist with humans? for some reason I don't believe that.



most people don't, the religious dogma we are suffered to our young lives tells us that couldn't have happened... the existence of aliens would wipe out the belief in a god or gods...


Maybe the aliens are the gods.
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mightymoe

Thu 08/03/17 10:16 PM






alliens coexist with humans? for some reason I don't believe that.



most people don't, the religious dogma we are suffered to our young lives tells us that couldn't have happened... the existence of aliens would wipe out the belief in a god or gods...

Unless you read the book of Job..one of the questions God asks Job is does he (God) have a mother.?..I believe every thing is possible and we as humans have a God..perhaps aliens have a God as well..I don't credit faith to a book..I think it is born in us..flowerforyou


job was a good book, it taught us about a game playing god who uses people for its amusement...


I was just reading your statement, Moe..
question: (Why is it that one religion isn't enough anymore?)<---I do know it's a choice for everyone who believes in a God.

spiritual but not religious? flowerforyou


when was one religion/god ever enough?
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mightymoe

Thu 08/03/17 10:18 PM




alliens coexist with humans? for some reason I don't believe that.



most people don't, the religious dogma we are suffered to our young lives tells us that couldn't have happened... the existence of aliens would wipe out the belief in a god or gods...


Maybe the aliens are the gods.


i always thought so... ignorance of technology back then would make the simplest device, like a bic lighter, a tool of the gods...