Good evening my lovely M2 comrades, once again I have to acknowledge my " Vocal Avengers" with my latest topic about " Puerto Rico Water Crisis" Let me just say, you guys keep me wanting to bring you new topics , I think here on M2 at least we talking about the real issues. Not taking anything away from the other topic rooms but the " Politic, News, & Events " Room is one of my favorite spots. Okay, let's get right into it. America, have you read about the latest shooting? Just when we heard it all, Las Vegas Shootings, Chicago shootings, Bad police shooting black kids, Sandra Bland Incident, Trevon Martin, Mike Brown, so on & so on right? Turns my stomach. Now we have the shooting in a very successful Corporate building in Maryland, just 45 miles of Baltimore. This is an isolated shooting about a man name Jose Hidalgo Romero, one of 5 people gunned down Wednesday in Maryland workplace attack. Allegedly carried out by a fellow employee had a complained to his boss about abusive behavior by the co-worker long before the shooting but no action was taken. Follow Me now, Why no action was taken well, the read goes on to say the suspect was deemed to be a good worker, according to Romero's brother. Wow, Really!, lets continue, One of three employees killed in the shooting at the company " Advanced Granite Solutions" a top company in Edgewood, MD 45 miles northeast of Baltimore. So America, how do you feel about how this was handled? Romero wasn't fired or disciplined due to his " good guy " work ethics. I mean, just because he kept his nose clean at the job or his work ethic is immaculate doesn't mean he doesn't have problems or no punishment like a verbal warning or threat of firing him shouldn't be a option for insubordination. Better Yet, do you feel moire jobs should take any complaint seriously? Or was this a mental health or malice? Let's take America.

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EyeAmYourHost39,

America , here we go again, I believe this could go 2 ways. One way is companies should take complaints seriously but not all. You have legit complaints then you have your trouble makers that just do anything to destroy a person. Secondly, if this was my company, I handle a subordinates that are serious with a small investigation among the accuser. If it was just a form of bullying or just a verbal dispute, well I write a report keep it in my office, let you go with a verbal warning. But if somebody feel like there life in danger or harm come on to them you be fired immediately, may assist with the victim of pressing charges. Now if you come back to shoot my employees or me then I have to get police involved, and if I don't have the New York Minute, then I have to protect myself and take you out.

EyeAmYourHost39,


Then the read goes on to say, Prince the brother of Romero He would punch people in the back & start fights and employees addressed this to the owner of the company & the owner responded back by saying" Let Him Alone, He's A Good Worker". Now Prince worked at the job for 4 months Now America this guy prince is the Shooter who was shot , was a hard working man from Wilmington, DE 50 miles from Edgewood, MD. His family trying arrange to ship his body back to Delaware. Wilmington court room on Thursday morning pleaded not guilty to 4 charges related to the shootings in that city including attempted murder charges.

What were the actual complaints? was there any other physical boundaries crossed or threats before? a 'punch in the back' sound like it could be an over dramatizion of a pat on the back. Most people don't throw punches to someones back.

It is really hard to know without more detail of events leading up.

Ms harmony

Yeah there were employees reporting to the owner of the company about this one mans behavior. How he would threatened and punch other employees in the back. And when they got together to report him to there superior. He tells the victims leave him alone hes a good worker.........

Obviously this guy had some severe problems. His workmates did what they could. Unfortunately there is a problem in many, if not most, workplaces where management has very poor people skills, and even worse listening skills.

It's too soon to say anything exact about this particular mess, but since workplace and neighborhood murders similar to this do happen, some generalities can be observed.

The main thing that I see, is that each particular situation is only similar in that an individual who has serious mental problems (each brought on by different circumstances), takes a high power weapon, and murders one or more people without specific warning.

In response to this repeating pattern, different people decided on different solutions.

* some want to take the high power weapons away in some manner, so that when the person with problems DOES crack, they will do less damage.

* some want to require that EVERYONE stay armed at all times, so that they can shoot such people sooner.

* Some people want to increase the amount of and availability of mental health support, to try to guide such people into care before they act out.

* Some people want to do nothing at all, and just accept that this will happen from time to time.

There is a real cost to any solution you may like. The one thing I see as most common to all the proposed solutions, is that the people pushing them, are fairly consistent about refusing to admit that their idea DOES have a real, and usually very high cost that they assume will be paid by someone else, or that they simply ignore.

The cost to taking things away from everyone, is the loss of freedoms. The cost of seeing to everyone's mental health has the high cost of paying for a nationwide health care system by the entire population, as well as adjustment to how businesses must be run.

And of course, the cost of doing nothing, is the decision that innocent lives are without value, and a firm decision that money is the only reason for existence, and that the society itself should be considered nothing more than the accidental result of aimless interaction of thoughtless greedy people.

There is no cost free or cheap solution to big problems like this.

MOtownDowntown,


I certainly agree with you, the suspect had to have a little ,mental issues, but I think it was his anger made him flip out. I work in social service field, I deal with array of diverse people. I deal with the sick, the poor, trans genders, the homeless, disadvantaged young mothers and re-entry ex cons. I couldn't imagine if any of my clients would harm or even shoot up my office.

IgorFrankensteen,


So I take it you like you are a approval of kill or be killed theory....lol. But no, you do have a serious point especially when you mentioned the cost to take away from everyone is the lost of freedoms. that's true, but do you think the shootings in the company could be prevented?

Hummm .... first of all after reading what was provided and what is within the news stories I read they are different.. Story just says he punched a co-worker does not say where and that he was fired..

According what is provided here the Employer did not do anything, wrong he was fired.. It is the judge that would not grant restraining order against him. Which most are not worth the paper they are wrote on unless you have proof they are within a certain distance of you..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-police-maryland-office-park-shooter-50563833

As far as Employer seems they did what they thought was right which in fact caused the fired Employee to go off the deep end..

Is there a way to prevent that? In all reality no not if they come in to a place of this type of work walk in and start shooting..

You can make a report if they threaten you at the time.. and all it will be is a police report.. They may go talk to the guy which who knows may even provoke him more..


Here is a quote from the link above~~~~~~~~~~~~


" 5:10 p.m.

A man who police say shot six people he knew in Maryland and Delaware, killing three of them, had scared a previous employer so badly that the man tried to get a restraining order against him.

Radee Labeeb Prince remained at large Wednesday after the morning shootings.

A Harford County judge denied the February request by Philip Siason of JPS Marble and Granite. The judge said Siason didn't meet the required burden of proof for the order.

Siason had told the court Prince punched a co-worker and was fired. Prince later told Siason he'd been provoked and wanted his job back. He also sought unemployment payments. Siason notified an agency inquiring about unemployment benefits that Prince had been fired and that he was working for another company.

Siason said that after that, Prince "came to see me, cursed and yelled ... I felt very threatened because he is a big guy and very aggressive on me."

Siason told the court that he was aware that Prince illegally possessed guns.

Saison said Prince "did not hurt me physically, but I do not want to wait 'til he will. Plus, he already punched a co-worker."


According to this story that guy should have been under the jail instead he had been arrested 42 times prior...

Problem is a Employer can only ask on your resume if you have been convicted of any criminal activity and hope they will be honest.. Most Employers do not run back ground checks due to the cost.. and the state sure will not provide the info to Employers for free which I feel they should.......

This guy was a walking time bomb, with all of his convictions his guns had to be illegal..... So no since of bringing up about those that have guns for seems he had them regardless...

It is sad but until the Government gives Employers more info for free when hiring then you can't blame the Employers if they did all they could once it was brought to their attention of the actions of a co-worker...

I have not heard any report on this shooting ...
but the way society is now ... I would take every treat serious in a co. and would just say will look into it and really look into it ... does not matter how much they are a good employee...

No. I haven't taken a side. I am a Solutionist. That means that I don't choose political creeds or parties or people to follow. I look at each challenge or problem as it presents, and try to figure out how to address it as completely and efficiently as possible.

The reason I am emphasizing that ALL solutions have costs, and what those costs are, is because of that. Most politically oriented people try to get their overall political goals advanced, and play games WITH THEMSELVES in order to do that. That's why, I think, so few people actually solve these kinds of problems.

We don't HAVE an option available that has no great cost, and never have had, for problems like this. Figuring out in advance who might go crazy and murder people isn't easy, nor can it be done without a LOT more infrastructure. Waiting until they explode and shoot hundreds of people is cheaper up front, but there is an obvious very high cost following that route.

I suggest that we make choices, AND accept the necessary costs and consequences of those choices. I would personally prefer a choice that is designed to prevent such horrific events, and I am myself willing to accept various costs in order to do that. Naturally, I want to see the exact list of what I must give up, before I vote, but again, we aren't yet being offered such a list by ANYONE in leadership roles.

Not an honest or intelligently arrived at list, anyway.

A disgruntled former employee.. shoots people at his workplace.. and this is news?.. been happening for decades.

He is a deranged man, who thought he had a beef with people he worked with.. so he killed them...

A nut

And Eyes.. your quote

"then I would have to take him out".... really?

Do you walk around the workplace with a gun?.. ready to fire and defend other?

I don't think so. you would be running for the hills... just like everyone else there.

what else could one do?

Uncontrollable anger is a VERY LARGE mental issue. Usually this stems from a recent, or life-long, series of events which leave someone, the shooter in this case, feeling frustrated and seeing no other course of action.

I'm willing to bet that this person showed multiple "red flags" before this happened, but no one did anything to get him the treatment he obviously needed.

I might be wrong here but.. it seems like every other commercial on T.V. is a drug company pushing another " wonder" drug.

I wonder how many of these people who snap are on these "wonder drugs" for depression.. Bi Polar, or other mental sicknesses. I'm not saying this guy was, but I have a family member that goes " off her meds" once in a while and it is not pretty... not at all.

I was watching one commercial for a depression drug, one of the side effects was " may cause suicidal thoughts"... kind of goes against the grain of the purpose of the drug.. wouldn't you say.

Don't know if anyone remembers the "Texas Tower" shooter. I believe it was in Austin. Turned out the guy had some sort of brain tumor.

Mysticview21,

hello welcome back to my cyber mansion, well its a big deal it tells us that anybody can go postal at any time. what bothers me about this report is that senseless shootings like this make the politicians work harder for gun control.

MotownDowntown,

you certainly right, my thing is how can we assure a person can posses a gun with Mental Health issues? its a crazy world we live in. News like this is horrible but it happens more than we can imagine.

MotownDowntown,


Wow the Texas Tower Shooting" now that something I haven't heard tell me what happen?

Back in the mid sixties. Guy went into a clock tower on a University campus with a footlocker full of guns and ammo. Shot a bunch of people. I think it was in Austin. Google it.