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GalaxyStarz

Tue 10/09/18 01:16 PM

I'm not confused. Find a go-ahead for sex without marriage in the New Testament.

You are obviously confused.
Round and round you go.
Yet you have offered nothing to back up your statements.
I have, at least, set you straight on the word "adultery."
Then there is the word "fornication." Another made up word, probably by the
Catholic church.

There Ancient Koine Greek term for "fornication.

what Ancient Greek term does Fornication represent?

porne? That means prostitute

porneia? is Prostitution

porneuo? is committing prostitution

pornos? that is a male prostitute, which might be known as a Gigiol today

Do you have a problem with the OT?

Alana

Sun 10/14/18 08:01 AM

Sex without marriage is fornication, so obviously you are not confused. One only has to know the nature of God the Father and His word. Quite simple really as as much as we kick against the goads in our flesh, the truth is obvious in the nature of our Father.

BigD9832

Sun 10/14/18 09:36 PM

Alana...

You're not paying attention.
There is no ancient term for "fornication."
It's a made-up word.

snooplawn

Sun 12/09/18 08:08 AM

we all have sinned. forgiven in Jesus Christ by his love on the cross. let them without sin cast the first stone

Long conversations

Sun 12/09/18 11:03 AM

To me it is. Sex without a solid proof of faith is sin. For, such sex is ephemeral. It lasts but for a short span of time. Also morally and ethically too that is wrong. It has but negative repurcussions only. It is waste of resources and what to say about children???

msharmony

Sun 12/09/18 11:30 AM

Corithians 7

Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

8Now to the unmarried a and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

so, since the question was about unmarried sex, it seems the guidance given for Christians (who recognize the Old AND NEW testament)is that it is GOOD to abstain unless married and if that is not possible it is GOOD for each man to have their OWN (one) wife and each wife her OWN (one) husband with which to have (Exclusive) sex with, because in effect the husband's body BELONGS to his wife and the wife's body BELONGS to the husband.

I find no hard fast defined laws in the BIBLE (though Im open to discovery) regarding unmarried sex in terms of sinning though, except the abomination of women laying with women and men with men.

Though there is this in Corinthians as well:

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

In this passage, there are THREE types of sexual reference: Sexual immoral, adulterer, and male homosexuality

since it is more clear what adultery and homosexuality includes, it could be concluded that 'sexual immoral' would be what was left that was NOT adultery or homosexuality ,, possibly sex outside of marriage? But it is not specific. IT is also interesting to note, where biblical guidance is concerned, that the times in which it was written were very patriarchal, so the reference was more likely to be in reference to expectations for males, and for women only as they PERTAIN to males, which makes understanding them in modern terms where women and men are indiscernable and have no expected role within community or family anymore much more challenging.

Edited by msharmony on Sun 12/09/18 11:32 AM

trustworthyheart1

Mon 02/11/19 10:57 PM

My dear listen and feel inside you commandments of GOD INSIDE YOU there is three things inside you brain heart and your soul your soul is light of GOD when you brain is power and heart is for feelings because it's connection with blood when two agree means heart and brain your soul give you indication no to do it it's GOD VOICE.if you know now it's sin don't do it again

BigD9832

Tue 02/12/19 05:33 AM

CLV 1Cor 7:1 Now, concerning what you write to me: It is ideal for a man not to be touching a woman.
2 Yet, because of prostitutions, let each man have a wife for himself and each woman have her own husband.

Fornication is an unscriptural term

Much like "hell" the word "fornication" was made up by the Catholic church as yet another means to help them control the populists of Europe. The definition wasn't all that clear many years ago, so the church would use this term as it saw fit. Even today the definition can get a bit fuzzy...

Merriam-Webster
consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other

The Bible Encyclopedia
“The Greek word for ‘fornication’ (porneia) could include any sexual sin committed after the betrothal contract. …In Biblical usage, ‘fornication’ can mean any sexual congress outside monogamous marriage. It thus includes not only premarital sex, but also adultery, homosexual acts, incest, remarriage after un-Biblical divorce, and sexual acts with animals, all of which are explicitly forbidden in the law as given through Moses (Leviticus 20:10-21). Christ expanded the prohibition against adultery to include even sexual lusting (Matthew 5:28).” (Dr. Henry M. Morris)
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/fornication.html

Dictionary.com
Idolatry.

The Free Dictionary
adultery, infidelity, unfaithfulness, extra-marital congress or relations or sex, living in sin, extra-curricular sex (informal), pre-marital congress or relations or sex Fornication is a crime in some American states.

Can you see some of the contradictions here?

But the real confusion lies in the practical use of the word. Many people feel it describes a certain type of sex. For example, some believe "fornication" means oral, or **** sex. Some think it means sex with animals. Some feel it involves what we call "toys" or ropes. Some think it is about dominance or submission.

It seems it all depends on who you talk to.

Today the Catholic church uses the word to help with their lists of immorality. Often times this word will be added to a list that the Catholic church wants to make look horrible. In many cases, if we are to believe that "fornication" simply means "consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other," the term is redundant.

AV Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

If we are to believe the bible it seems that the words "fornication" and "adultery" are two different and unique terms. Not the same thing at all.

So what does the word "fornication" really mean?

Much like the term "hell," "fornication" is used to substitute a different word from the Scriptures. Just as "hell" is used to substitute 4 different words, so is "fornication used to substitute 4 different words.

These are...

porne? That means a prostitute (Revelation 19:2 uses porne)

porneia? is Prostitution (1 Cornithians 7:2 uses porneia)

porneuo? is committing prostitution (1 Cornithians 6:18 uses porneia)

pornos? that is a male prostitute, which might be knows as a Gigolo today (1 Corinthians 6:9 uses pornos)

I list these as examples only.

The word "fornication" is used in the KJV 36 times, 4 times in the OT and 32 times in the NT. I would like to concentrate on the NT use of this word.

Matthew 5:32
Matthew 19:9
John 8:41
Acts 15:20
Acts 21:25
Romans 1:29
1Corinthians 5:1 (2)
1Corinthians 6:13
1Corinthians 6:18 (2)
1Corinthians 7:2
1Corinthians 10:8
2Corinthians 12:21
Galatians 5:19
Ephesians 5:3
Colossians 3:5
1Thessalonians 4:3
Jude 1:7
Revelation 2:14
Revelation 2:20
Revelation 2:21
Revelation 9:21
Revelation 14:8
Revelation 17:2 (2)
Revelation 17:4
Revelation 18:3 (2)
Revelation 18:9
Revelation 19:2

Prostitution is a business transaction, where money is exchanged for sexual services. This practice (called the oldest profession) was so popular in Rome that there was a street named after it. Prostitution in Ancient Rome was legal and licensed.

Prostitution was big business in Rome. So why would it be so strange that Paul was addressing this widespread problem?

By restoring the word "Prostitution" to the Scriptures and eliminating the word "Fornication" we can see that the church has very little to say about mankind's sexual activities.

Adultery is defined as a married person having sex outside of his/her marriage.
Virginity is also defined in the OT.
But there is really nothing that says two people who are in love cannot have sex.

Unless, of course, you are willing to say that every woman who has ever given herself to a man is a Prostitute.

Are you?

Nauzy

Tue 02/12/19 05:51 AM

Its so interesting that Man created the concept of a punishing God.
The Bible is a man manipulated plagiarized copy of the Sumerian texts that dated way before monotheism, which started with Zarasuthra.

We project human characteristic, our unconscious fears, and desires only to somehow go back to connecting to our conscience in a very twisted way.

If we listen deeply for answers individually, they are waiting inside, but the key comes down to who wants to listen.

Religion has done a lot of good and evil in the world and if one uses it to not be a beget and dictate what is right or wrong for others but see if it aligns with the wisest and the most compassionate yet responsible part of oneself, it has been confirmed that one will be more secure in one's life according to Dr. Peterson.

Im not a religious nor wish to be and can't believe Christ ever existed as there is no archeological evidence of the man and think if there is a God, it is neural and responsive to the data we input into or collective matrix with our thoughts feelings and actions.Is God benevolent, that seems like a joke if it were we would already be all living in heaven and the innocent would not be so often the sacrificial lambs.

If it feels right then its true for you, One doesn't need dogmatic rules to justify one's unconscious needs.
Feelings are where the truth lies... feelings are the representation of thoughts and emotions united, mind and heart with one goal of harmoney.

kirish

Tue 02/12/19 06:26 AM

appreciated

Jared

Wed 02/13/19 12:07 AM

The word "sin" is a base word to sinister. Only intentional sinister actions apply as a sin. Rape is a sin. Betraying another to enjoy sex, is a "sin"ister action. Are any of you actually using your grey matter?

Tom4Uhere

Wed 02/13/19 12:30 AM

Feelings are where the truth lies

Didn't have issue with anything you wrote till you said that.
Truth is in Reality.
The reality is, people are human beings and human beings are animals doing things that animals do.
In reality, abstinence is the strange behavior.
Fidelity is the strange behavior.
Animals have a drive to procreate.
Women go in heat
Men go into musk.
Religion has and always will try to convince you that you are not an animal.
Its job is to convince you that your animalistic urges are wrong and should be avoided.
But, those urges happen because it is a natural condition of being an animal.
Religion can't stop hormones or puberty.
It can't even turn off lust (even if some people will try to convince you otherwise).
Unnatural is conflicting and as long as religion requires you to behave in a manner that conflicts with your animalistic nature, there will be stress and confusion.
Thing is, its easy to point a finger at religion but our societies also try to suppress your instincts.
Its against the nature of the beast.
It is not reality, thus, not a truth of existence.

greeneyes148

Wed 02/13/19 03:50 PM

I'm thinking your co workers rapidly leave when you enter the break room... right.

cristyan

Wed 02/13/19 03:54 PM

good

JustBeHonest

Wed 02/13/19 04:38 PM

I'm thinking your co workers rapidly leave when you enter the break room... right.

Rimon Chowdhury

Wed 02/13/19 04:42 PM

I agree

greg

Thu 02/14/19 01:32 PM

I've asked myself that question many times.I don't think so.I tend to think if it is in the context of making love-that is what it is intended for.It's only normal!Everyone has a sex drive and a need to satisfy it.

greg

Thu 02/14/19 01:42 PM

Well said,my friend!

greg

Thu 02/14/19 01:51 PM

I too was raised Catholic and asked myself many times if it was right or wrong.Religion is merely a set of rules to abide by.I don't neccessarily agree with all of these rules.Everyone of us has a sex drive and a need to satisfy it.I don't feel at all bad about premarital sex.Why is it only Priests, Nuns and Monks take a vow of celibacy?

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