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Wed 11/22/17 10:48 AM

‘The Deluge’ (1805) by J.M.W. Turner.
21 November, 2017 - 18:54 Dennis Brooks
The Comet that Sparked a Worldwide Flood ‘Myth’

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It http://www.ancient-origins.net/history-important-events/comet-sparked-worldwide-flood-myth-009168 that Noah’s Great Biblical Flood was caused by comet fragments striking the earth. Isaac Newton was the first one to come up with a theory connecting the flood to a comet strike, in 1680. According to an article at National Georgraphic.com , Newton declared that a comet had passed close to Earth thousands of years ago and came so close that it doused our world with water from its tail and exerted enough gravitational force to pull forth oceans from beneath our planet’s crust.

Now, a new theory provides evidence that backs up Newton’s idea that a comet was involved. According to this theory, between 10,000 and 12,000 years ago, a comet entered the earth’s atmosphere and broke up into thousands of pieces. Those fragments rained down fire and brimstone on the earth. Some of the fragments landed all over the world, including Europe and the Far East. It is estimated that over 500,000 fragments landed in north America alone.

C/2014 Q2 (Lovejoy) is a long-period comet discovered on 17 August 2014 by Terry Lovejoy. This photograph was taken from Tucson, Arizona, using a Sky-Watcher 100mm APO telescope and SBIG STL-11000M camera.

C/2014 Q2 (Lovejoy) is a long-period comet discovered on 17 August 2014 by Terry Lovejoy. This photograph was taken from Tucson, Arizona, using a Sky-Watcher 100mm APO telescope and SBIG STL-11000M camera. (John Vermette/ CC BY SA 4.0 )
Carolina Bays

The craters and impressions left behind by the bombardments are now called Carolina Bays . They are found in North America along the Eastern Seaboard. Most of them are within the coastal states of Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, Georgia, Florida, and Nebraska. The people in Maryland refer to them as Maryland Basins.

Fragments also landed in the Gulf of Mexico and in the country of Mexico. This comet strike, which can be called the Carolina Event, left behind evidence that scientists can use to determine when the event took place. This area still needs research! Researchers will have to excavate more of the craters and examine the different layers of sediment. This would be similar to the way we examine the rings of a tree to determine its age.

Startling Similarity between Hindu Flood Legend of Manu and the Biblical Account of Noah
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This is a photo of a dozen or more Carolina bays. This is just north-west of Red Springs, North Carolina, USA.

This is a photo of a dozen or more Carolina bays. This is just north-west of Red Springs, North Carolina, USA. ( Public Domain )


Explaining a Worldwide ‘Myth’

The comet fragments that landed in the oceans caused worldwide flooding. This included all the shores and islands of both oceans. Tsunami waves backed up all the rivers, leading to the oceans including those in the Americas, Africa, and Europe, destroying everyone in the area. This would explain why all cultures all over the world have a flood (myth) story to tell.

The most deadly and disruptive floods would be talked about for years to come. Here Aztecs perform a ritual to appease the angry gods who had flooded their capital.

The most deadly and disruptive floods would be talked about for years to come. Here Aztecs perform a ritual to appease the angry gods who had flooded their capital. ( Public Domain )

Tsunami waves would have destroyed everything in the low-lying areas. This includes people on shorelines, in marshes, around bays, and in near shore valleys. The fragments that hit the Atlantic Ocean would have created a continuous wall of water going across the ocean. All the islands in the Atlantic Ocean would have been covered with water. Both The Canary Islands and Great Britain would have been under water, except for their mountains.

‘The Great Wave off Kanagawa’ (c.1830-1833) by Hokusai.

‘The Great Wave off Kanagawa’ (c.1830-1833) by Hokusai. ( Public Domain )

Tsunami waves forced their way through the Strait of Gibraltar and flooded the Mediterranean Basin. The water going in filled up the basin because no water had time to come back out through the strait. As the basin overflowed, the water flooded towns, villages, and seaports. Sea-levels in the Mediterranean Basin got higher and higher until the runoff went out into the desert.

The flood covered everything; including Alexandria, Beirut, Cairo, Egypt, Italy, and Jerusalem. When the floodwaters began to recede from the land, tons of trees, boats, ships, lumber, buildings, and bridges were carried back into the sea. This floating debris converged at the strait and clogged the opening with floating ships, boats, lumber, and trees. Floodwaters would have carried dead bodies, grass, mud, and silt to the dam and sealed it to prevent the flow of water back into the ocean. According to an article by ABC News, floodwater overfilled the Basin of the Black Sea. You can also read this in the research of Robert Ballard: “Evidence Noah's Biblical Flood Happened.”
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Wed 11/22/17 11:24 AM

I remember watching (years ago) a TV show that attempted to scientifically explain Noah's Flood.

Basically, it depicted the aquifers under the Earth's crust and proposed that a rather large aquifer was released from a tectonic shift in the crust. Thus, flooding the Earth.

There May Be a Second Massive Ocean Deep Beneath the Surface
Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/there-may-be-second-massive-ocean-deep-beneath-surface-180950090/

Huge oceans underneath Earth’s surface caused global flood in times of Noah
Read More: http://www.pravdareport.com/science/earth/10-04-2007/89420-flood-0/

One thing that must be considered is that in the time of Noah, people were not aware of the planet as a whole. The "World" was limited to the known lands of which those people had explored.
A regional flood might appear to be a world flood.

There is, however, evidence across the globe that indicates one or more floods did occur.
That evidence is in the form of what is called Ringwoodite.
Ringwoodite is notable for being able to contain hydroxide ions (oxygen and hydrogen atoms bound together) within its structure.
Combined with evidence of its occurrence deep in the Earth's mantle, this suggests that there is from one to three times the world ocean's equivalent of water in the mantle transition zone from 410 to 660 km deep.
However, ringwoodite is also found in meteorites.
This mineral was first identified in the Tenham meteorite in 1969.

Then you have the rain. 40 days and 40 nights of rain. Unrelenting rain. How could That be explained?

Consider an underground aquifer. The magma chambers heat the water and it expands, causing high pressure. Over time it weakens the crust much the way a volcano does, except with high pressure water instead of magma. It erupts much like a super volcano but it sends water into the atmosphere instead of ash.
The prevailing winds blow it towards Noah and it starts to rain back down to the surface again. There is so much water, it keeps on raining until an atmospheric equilibrium is reached, then the Sun comes out.
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mightymoe

Fri 11/24/17 07:36 AM


I remember watching (years ago) a TV show that attempted to scientifically explain Noah's Flood.

Basically, it depicted the aquifers under the Earth's crust and proposed that a rather large aquifer was released from a tectonic shift in the crust. Thus, flooding the Earth.

There May Be a Second Massive Ocean Deep Beneath the Surface
Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/there-may-be-second-massive-ocean-deep-beneath-surface-180950090/

Huge oceans underneath Earth’s surface caused global flood in times of Noah
Read More: http://www.pravdareport.com/science/earth/10-04-2007/89420-flood-0/

One thing that must be considered is that in the time of Noah, people were not aware of the planet as a whole. The "World" was limited to the known lands of which those people had explored.
A regional flood might appear to be a world flood.

There is, however, evidence across the globe that indicates one or more floods did occur.
That evidence is in the form of what is called Ringwoodite.
Ringwoodite is notable for being able to contain hydroxide ions (oxygen and hydrogen atoms bound together) within its structure.
Combined with evidence of its occurrence deep in the Earth's mantle, this suggests that there is from one to three times the world ocean's equivalent of water in the mantle transition zone from 410 to 660 km deep.
However, ringwoodite is also found in meteorites.
This mineral was first identified in the Tenham meteorite in 1969.

Then you have the rain. 40 days and 40 nights of rain. Unrelenting rain. How could That be explained?

Consider an underground aquifer. The magma chambers heat the water and it expands, causing high pressure. Over time it weakens the crust much the way a volcano does, except with high pressure water instead of magma. It erupts much like a super volcano but it sends water into the atmosphere instead of ash.
The prevailing winds blow it towards Noah and it starts to rain back down to the surface again. There is so much water, it keeps on raining until an atmospheric equilibrium is reached, then the Sun comes out.
it seems the comet theory has more meat with it than this, since the comet happening might have caused the last iceage....
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Tom4Uhere

Fri 11/24/17 11:09 AM

it seems the comet theory has more meat with it than this, since the comet happening might have caused the last iceage....

Ice ages are a normal cycle of the planet. Just like the yearly cycle of seasons but to a greater degree over longer periods.

Anything that causes atmospheric particulates to increase will block out solar radiation to the surface. So basically, any "nuclear winter" scenario can trigger an ice age.

Global warming can also trigger an ice age due to the reflectivty of water.





There have been five known ice ages in the Earth's history, with the Earth experiencing the Quaternary Ice Age during the present time. Within ice ages, there exist periods of more severe glacial conditions and more temperate referred to as glacial periods and interglacial periods, respectively. The Earth is currently in such an interglacial period of the Quaternary Ice Age, with the last glacial period of the Quaternary having ended approximately 11,700 years ago with the start of the Holocene epoch. ~ wiki

Ice cores are used to obtain a high resolution record of recent glaciation. It confirms the chronology of the marine isotopic stages. Ice core data shows that the last 400,000 years have consisted of short interglacials (10,000 to 30,000 years) about as warm as the present alternated with much longer (70,000 to 90,000 years) glacials substantially colder than present. The new EPICA Antarctic ice core has revealed that between 400,000 and 780,000 years ago, interglacials occupied a considerably larger proportion of each glacial/interglacial cycle, but were not as warm as subsequent interglacials. ~ wiki

Basically, the Earth is still in the last ice age but warming. Our civilization exists during a temperature upward swing of a natural cycle. While humans "contribute to" the warming they are not the "cause of" the warming. While volcanoes and planetary impacts "contribute to" they are not "cause of". The glaciation cycle happens with or without these influences.

Today's global temperature is typically measured by how it compares to one of these past long-term periods. For example, the average annual temperature for the globe between 1951 and 1980 was around 57.2 degrees Fahrenheit (14 degrees Celsius). In 2015, the hottest year on record, the temperature was about 1.8 degrees F (1 degree C) warmer than the 1951–1980 base period.

Source: http://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq/what-average-global-temperature-now
That calculation comes from NASA and NOAA. Other agencies may come up with a slightly different number because there are several techniques for calculating a global average, depending on how one accounts for temperatures above the data-sparse oceans and other poorly sampled regions.

Since there is no universally accepted definition for Earth’s average temperature, several different groups around the world use slightly different methods for tracking the global average over time
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Fri 11/24/17 11:20 AM
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mightymoe

Fri 11/24/17 11:30 AM

Anything is possible... I'm sure if a volcano can make summers disappear, maybe a broken-up comet could cause an ice-age...
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Tom4Uhere

Fri 11/24/17 11:48 AM


Anything is possible... I'm sure if a volcano can make summers disappear, maybe a broken-up comet could cause an ice-age...

That statement tells me you don't fully understand what an Ice Age is.
A planetary impact is not going to cause an ice age, it might contribute to an ice age but certainly will not cause it.
Its like saying if you drop a chunk of ice in a bathtub of tepid water, it will freeze solid.

After one year, the average surface temperature of the Earth falls by 1.1 kelvin, or about two degrees Fahrenheit. After five years, the Earth is, on average, three degrees colder than it used to be. Twenty years on, our home planet warms again to about one degree cooler than the average before the impact.

It may "feel like" an ice age to us but to the planet it is merely a cool day.
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Sat 11/25/17 06:10 AM



Anything is possible... I'm sure if a volcano can make summers disappear, maybe a broken-up comet could cause an ice-age...

That statement tells me you don't fully understand what an Ice Age is.
A planetary impact is not going to cause an ice age, it might contribute to an ice age but certainly will not cause it.
Its like saying if you drop a chunk of ice in a bathtub of tepid water, it will freeze solid.

After one year, the average surface temperature of the Earth falls by 1.1 kelvin, or about two degrees Fahrenheit. After five years, the Earth is, on average, three degrees colder than it used to be. Twenty years on, our home planet warms again to about one degree cooler than the average before the impact.

It may "feel like" an ice age to us but to the planet it is merely a cool day.
just because you think you're the smartest person alive doesn't make it true Tom...just about every scientist in the world says comets can start an ice age...comets ate just one of a hundred theorys about what started that ice age
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Tom4Uhere

Sat 11/25/17 07:36 AM

just because you think you're the smartest person alive doesn't make it true Tom...just about every scientist in the world says comets can start an ice age...comets ate just one of a hundred theorys about what started that ice age

LOL, smartest? Hardly. I merely know how to read and can use the internet.
Perhaps you could name some of these scientists that think a comet can start an ice age? I would love to read what they have to say.
I've been in global warming debates before. Done a bit of research on ice ages and planetary cycles. Looked into methane hydrate releases, nuclear winter scenarios, the KT extinction.
There used to be a webpage that allowed you to set the specifics on planetary impactors and the program calculates the effects of such an impact. Absolutely no cometary impact yields results that cause an ice age. They can contribute to glaciation events that can last thousands of years but they do not cause ice ages.
There is a correlation between oxygen levels and ice ages tho. Its a thin correlation but increases in oxygen levels coincides with ice ages.
Ice ages are a different timescale than volcanoes and impact events.
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no1phD

Sat 11/25/17 10:29 AM

The comment that sparked the flood

Did you remember to turn the faucets off before we left on holidays...Lol

Ohhh.. comet..slaphead
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mightymoe

Sat 11/25/17 10:39 AM


just because you think you're the smartest person alive doesn't make it true Tom...just about every scientist in the world says comets can start an ice age...comets ate just one of a hundred theorys about what started that ice age

LOL, smartest? Hardly. I merely know how to read and can use the internet.
Perhaps you could name some of these scientists that think a comet can start an ice age? I would love to read what they have to say.
I've been in global warming debates before. Done a bit of research on ice ages and planetary cycles. Looked into methane hydrate releases, nuclear winter scenarios, the KT extinction.
There used to be a webpage that allowed you to set the specifics on planetary impactors and the program calculates the effects of such an impact. Absolutely no cometary impact yields results that cause an ice age. They can contribute to glaciation events that can last thousands of years but they do not cause ice ages.
There is a correlation between oxygen levels and ice ages tho. Its a thin correlation but increases in oxygen levels coincides with ice ages.
Ice ages are a different timescale than volcanoes and impact events.
that's just double talk... If there's a mile high sheet of ice sitting on NY for a thousand years, isn't that an age of ice? And you have no idea what happened 15,000 years ago, much less the other 4 billion...
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Tom4Uhere

Sat 11/25/17 01:58 PM

that's just double talk... If there's a mile high sheet of ice sitting on NY for a thousand years, isn't that an age of ice? And you have no idea what happened 15,000 years ago, much less the other 4 billion...

Hahaha, 15,000 years ago we were in our current ice age.
The idea I have is what has been written on the ice core evidence that is the basis for ice age information. There is no double talk and I am sorry if you can't believe science, that is your problem not mine.
But, just in case you really don't understand (and not just trying to argue) let me get the data so you can read what I read....
Hang on...

First, lets look at the really simple stuff...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_glaciation
There have been five known ice ages in the Earth's history, with the Earth experiencing the Quaternary Ice Age during the present time. Within ice ages, there exist periods of more severe glacial conditions and more temperate referred to as glacial periods and interglacial periods, respectively. The Earth is currently in such an interglacial period of the Quaternary Ice Age, with the last glacial period of the Quaternary having ended approximately 11,700 years ago with the start of the Holocene epoch.

The bold part is important.

http://www.history.com/topics/ice-age
Scientists have recorded five significant ice ages throughout the Earth’s history: the Huronian (2.4-2.1 billion years ago), Cryogenian (850-635 million years ago), Andean-Saharan (460-430 mya), Karoo (360-260 mya) and Quaternary (2.6 mya-present). Approximately a dozen major glaciations have occurred over the past 1 million years, the largest of which peaked 650,000 years ago and lasted for 50,000 years. The most recent glaciation period, often known simply as the “Ice Age,” reached peak conditions some 18,000 years ago before giving way to the interglacial Holocene epoch 11,700 years ago.


So, unless you have problems understanding simple math, Ice Ages are not caused by comet impacts.
Core samples are used to detect ice ages.
The only thing an Antarctic core sample will detect is recent climate changes. That is because in an ice age the planet freezes and then thaws again till the next ice age.

This is not really that hard to wrap your head around. If you wait a billion years or so, there won't be anymore ice ages at all. Afterall, the Sun is getting hotter.
Wanna argue about that too?
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Sun 11/26/17 10:06 AM


that's just double talk... If there's a mile high sheet of ice sitting on NY for a thousand years, isn't that an age of ice? And you have no idea what happened 15,000 years ago, much less the other 4 billion...

Hahaha, 15,000 years ago we were in our current ice age.
The idea I have is what has been written on the ice core evidence that is the basis for ice age information. There is no double talk and I am sorry if you can't believe science, that is your problem not mine.
But, just in case you really don't understand (and not just trying to argue) let me get the data so you can read what I read....
Hang on...

First, lets look at the really simple stuff...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_glaciation
There have been five known ice ages in the Earth's history, with the Earth experiencing the Quaternary Ice Age during the present time. Within ice ages, there exist periods of more severe glacial conditions and more temperate referred to as glacial periods and interglacial periods, respectively. The Earth is currently in such an interglacial period of the Quaternary Ice Age, with the last glacial period of the Quaternary having ended approximately 11,700 years ago with the start of the Holocene epoch.

The bold part is important.

http://www.history.com/topics/ice-age
Scientists have recorded five significant ice ages throughout the Earth’s history: the Huronian (2.4-2.1 billion years ago), Cryogenian (850-635 million years ago), Andean-Saharan (460-430 mya), Karoo (360-260 mya) and Quaternary (2.6 mya-present). Approximately a dozen major glaciations have occurred over the past 1 million years, the largest of which peaked 650,000 years ago and lasted for 50,000 years. The most recent glaciation period, often known simply as the “Ice Age,” reached peak conditions some 18,000 years ago before giving way to the interglacial Holocene epoch 11,700 years ago.


So, unless you have problems understanding simple math, Ice Ages are not caused by comet impacts.
Core samples are used to detect ice ages.
The only thing an Antarctic core sample will detect is recent climate changes. That is because in an ice age the planet freezes and then thaws again till the next ice age.

This is not really that hard to wrap your head around. If you wait a billion years or so, there won't be anymore ice ages at all. Afterall, the Sun is getting hotter.
Wanna argue about that too?
it's all theorys...if you can't wrap your head around that, then you're not half as smart as you think you are...something that Might have happened a billion years ago is just best guesses at most, so quit talking like you know something is a fact when it's not...
Edited by mightymoe on Sun 11/26/17 10:11 AM
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Tom4Uhere

Sun 11/26/17 10:36 AM

it's all theorys...if you can't wrap your head around that, then you're not half as smart as you think you are...something that Might have happened a billion years ago is just best guesses at most, so quit talking like you know something is a fact when it's not...

Didn't know I was offending you. Don't really care either.
Consequently, everything is a theory, if one decides to look at it that way. The Earth is flat, is the center of the universe and is only 6,000 years old.
if you can't wrap your head around that, then you're not half as smart as you think you are

I never said I was smart, you implied it. If I was smart, I would be rich and living it up on a tropical island sipping coladas. What I said was that I can read and use the internet.
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mightymoe

Sun 11/26/17 10:41 AM


it's all theorys...if you can't wrap your head around that, then you're not half as smart as you think you are...something that Might have happened a billion years ago is just best guesses at most, so quit talking like you know something is a fact when it's not...

Didn't know I was offending you. Don't really care either.
Consequently, everything is a theory, if one decides to look at it that way. The Earth is flat, is the center of the universe and is only 6,000 years old.
if you can't wrap your head around that, then you're not half as smart as you think you are

I never said I was smart, you implied it. If I was smart, I would be rich and living it up on a tropical island sipping coladas. What I said was that I can read and use the internet.
I will agree that most everything is a theory, except the two you mentioned... Correlations and probalities are what most of science is...
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Sun 11/26/17 11:14 AM

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My ability to find and post this information has little to do with how smart I am. It only demonstrates that I am intelligent enough to effectively search and understand what is available as a resource. However, I am Smart enough to know this topic is not constructive and thus, I bid you farewell. You win, you're right, you're smart, whatever....Done
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Mon 11/27/17 05:17 PM


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Science Theory
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.

Speculation
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In the most basic sense, a Scientific Fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.

Scientific Evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretation in accordance with scientific method.

Scientific Method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry is commonly based on empirical or measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.

Scientific Inquiry refers to the diverse ways in which scientists study the natural world and propose explanations based on the evidence derived from their work.

Scientific Application refers to the act of putting something to a special use or purpose: an application of a new method; A specific use to which something is put.

Scientific Model is a systematic description of an object or phenomenon that shares important characteristics with the object or phenomenon.

My ability to find and post this information has little to do with how smart I am. It only demonstrates that I am intelligent enough to effectively search and understand what is available as a resource. However, I am Smart enough to know this topic is not constructive and thus, I bid you farewell. You win, you're right, you're smart, whatever....Done
it's not a pissing contest, or to see who has a bigger dick, it's about people and scientists putting their research out as a fact when 90% of it is just educated guesses...they don't always say that this is what the research concludes, they say this is it, the way it is..and that has always bothered me...