the weapon used is a factor in how easily and how much damage can be done, there is no way around it

IF they stop shooters before they get a gun, thats great, there is no way around that

when they DONT stop shooters before they get a gun, limiting the types of guns LEGALLY available may decrease the number of lives lost and may give them another way to lock people up before they use the weapon, FOR HAVING THE WEAPON, and there is no way around that either

This shooter got a gun because no LAW prevented him from doing so, and there is no way around that either


...plenty of responsibility, both sides pointing at strictly one or the other helps nothing.....

Don't you all think it may be Karma ?

Who used guns and poisons and diseases to try to genocide to extinction the Native American first Nations Peoples, Who were unfortunately in the way of greedy european psychopaths, of which many of you are descendents.

It was OK to kill as many Native Americans as possible in your collective european genocidal land theft, and environmental destruction campaigns, over a huge part of the continent, (if not all of it).

NOW YOUR GUNS ARE BEING USED ON/AGAINST YOU, YOU DON'T SEEM TO LIKE GUNS ANYMORE ! One rule for you, and another rule for everyone else !

Understand your sick history; understand why 'north america is the greatest country in the whole of the USA' !! You are stuck in a greedy pro-criminal culture of gimme gimme gimme - we got lots of stuff - aren't we great !

Your culture is sick to the core, thanks to roman, viking, british and european values of: our weapons are stronger than yours, so give us everything or die.

Same goes for canada, south (or all of) africa, australia, new zealand, and anywhere else sick greedy demented europeans arrived with battleships, guns, bombs, diseases, and copious criminal detritis and mental patients which the europeans were only too happy to 'transport' away, to do the dirty work.

Violence engenders violence, cultures and children have long memories, your miss deeds in the name of capitalism, comunism, and fascism will forever continue to dog you, unless you change your culture to a more caring one.

Laws only affect the people who adhere to them; most criminals, be they government/corporate, or private individuals will always try to get away with whatever they can. And if they have money or influence or something to blackmail with, they WILL get away with it.

Truth, justice, and the american way of subverting truth and justice !

Dear Bri,,, English ban guns.....Still seems you have problems....Perhaps you want to ban Knives next???? How bout sticks and stones????.
No offense, but the main reason we have a second amendment was because the British were unable to comprehend that they were roundly trounced by rebel scum. If the British iluminati government of THAT time, had just accepted defeat, there would NOT been a need the second amendment. The Brits tried again in the 1800s....Again the force strikes back...sadly another defeat...Thereby cementing in the minds of American politicians, that the Brits might "try again"... and that the Second Amendment is a great thing...Citizen Militia....The reason no country would dare to invade America is because they know the citizenry of America is armed. The Vichy left in our country know this too well...Why do you think the want to Amend the constitution??? Because the U.S. government follows it??? No of course not...The term USGov is a corperation paid for by the Banker Cabal that runs the planet.

The problem is the People of American were never told the truth... That the USGov corp does not have to follow the constitution, but its citizens belive it, it does!
You cant crack down on your citizens when the Constitution says its ok to defend yourself.

Sooooo, democrats, the original slave owners in America, want to Amend the Constitution to disarm the mightiest nation on the planet....I for one, am glad that they are unsuccessful and crying about it.

With our police forces refusing to protect citizens, it is Crystal clear, that the second amendment and teacher's arming themselves is a probable solution...
Anyway..
Its our problem...We'll take care of it thanks...

These shootings are only one result of a sick society that values money, sex and violence over Human Rights and communal and spiritual responsibilities.
Everything has become "relative " and there is no more sovereign truth to stand on. The voices of the wise have been drowned in a sea of greed and powerplay that considers the Human Being as just another vulgar animal to exploit and throw away as a natural resource and the malleable spirit of children has been subverted by the unscrupulous greed of multinationals for whom a parent is merely a walking wallet.

One poster talked about Karma. I agree, inasmuch as Karma is the price we pay for violating the immutable laws of the universe that our Creator, in his infinite wisdom, has put in place from the beginning.
This generation refuses to submit to the time-tested rules and laws of a higher power, pretending that it doesn't exist while everything in nature attest to its existence but the Creator can and has used evil people in order that His will be done just like He uses good people for the same purpose as well. It's His prerogative as the Creator of the universe and master of us all. So, just like a good parent not sparing the rod for the discipline of the child, we now pay for our trespasses and vanity and will continue to pay until either our transgressions are no more through collective repentance or the total destruction of our civilization as we know it.
The ball has been in our camp since the Christ died for our sins and forgiveness is up to us as a specie.

These shootings are only one result of a sick society that values money, sex and violence over Human Rights and communal and spiritual responsibilities.
Everything has become "relative " and there is no more sovereign truth to stand on. The voices of the wise have been drowned in a sea of greed and powerplay that considers the Human Being as just another vulgar animal to exploit and throw away as a natural resource and the malleable spirit of children has been subverted by the unscrupulous greed of multinationals for whom a parent is merely a walking wallet.

One poster talked about Karma. I agree, inasmuch as Karma is the price we pay for violating the immutable laws of the universe that our Creator, in his infinite wisdom, has put in place from the beginning.
This generation refuses to submit to the time-tested rules and laws of a higher power, pretending that it doesn't exist while everything in nature attest to its existence but the Creator can and has used evil people in order that His will be done just like He uses good people for the same purpose as well. It's His prerogative as the Creator of the universe and master of us all. So, just like a good parent not sparing the rod for the discipline of the child, we now pay for our trespasses and vanity and will continue to pay until either our transgressions are no more through collective repentance or the total destruction of our civilization as we know it.
The ball has been in our camp since the Christ died for our sins and forgiveness is up to us as a specie.

are you saying god did it? LOL...

You can scoff and laugh all you want but yes, in a nutshell that's what I'm saying. Nothing happens by accident and the good or bad that humans do serve His will regardless of who acts.
The Israelites were taken in bondage by the Egyptians because they disobeyed God's will and were restored to their land - after 40 years of wandering in the desert for their unfaithfulness - because they repented.
We can ignore Him and His will because we have free will but the consequences for our vanity are nonetheless real.
Whoever said God is Love is right but loving someone also means to correct, reprimand and punish. He gave us a TON of warnings about what happens when we disobey. Whoever thinks that God is all bark and no bite is sorely mistaken.
But hey, don't believe me, believe the results we see in our world every day... or don't, I don't care. I'm not preaching here I'm just giving my opinion.

Your response is Vanity itself and devoid of all understanding.

Yes.
My loving god also:
- Destroyed a whole civilization by flooding.
- Enslaved a whole race of people for several generations.
- Destroyed two huge cities with fire and brimstone.
- Wiped out an entire race of giants.
- Killed every firstborn in ancient Egypt.
- Emprisoned one His messengers in the belly of a whale for days.
- Turned the wife of another of His messenger into a pillar of salt.
- Crucified His Chief messenger.
- Banished one of His favorite Arch Angels.
- Cast away His chosen people throughout the world.
And I forget many of His punishments and reprimands!

All those deeds He did through men and women who thought they had their destinies in hand and their will to their whim, just like us today.
Who are you to argue with your Creator ?
We're nothing but grains of sand to His eyes but He cares enough to warn us and it's up to us to heed the warnings or suffer the consequences.

We Christians serve a powerful, vengeful and jealous God who is always ready to forgive if repentance is genuine and true. He demands obedience of us just like a father should his children as it is just, right and proper.

You don't like it? I'm sure you'll have plenty of time to explain to Him what your wisdom dictates once your insignificant life is snuffed away and you find yourself in front of his heavenly throne.
Good luck!

what are you getting pouty for? It's not my fault that you think that a being can control the trillions and trillions of people's interactions every second of every day...when you get a flat tire, is that God's fault? If your coffeeaker breaks, is that God's fault? **** happens, always has and always will... The rich ahole kids and his prescription meds made it happen, not any good... If god controls the universe, do you really think it has time to worry about anything on this tiny, little rock we call earth? If you wanna be all pissy about someone not believing the same thing you do, be pissy, I don't care... If you think standing in front of it scares me, your wrong... If there is a heaven or hell, I don't see it being any better or worse than what we are living now...

Not getting pouty or pissy, I have no reason to. It's just my dramatic style of writing to drive my point home.
I simply stated an opinion and you had issues with it. It's not my fault you can't handle the truth.
You want to believe in nothing, I hopes it works out for you.
I believe in an all-powerful infinite Being who has shown me what my vanitous modern mind wouldn't accept.
You think it's lunatic ? Then leave me to my ramblings and I leave you in peace.

You missed the bit where I said:

"Same goes for canada, south (or all of) africa, ** australia, ** new zealand, and anywhere else sick greedy demented europeans arrived . . . "
We are nearly all scum bags from europe; the main source of the greed disease.

I include myself and my predecessors. All of them were good 'god fearing people', who believed that their belief in their (middle eastern) god gave them the right to destroy more ancient and stable cultures and religions, so that they could build colloseums and castles and abbeys and armies/navies, and profitable industries, etc.

Anyway you and we all still benefit from the proceeds of multiple diabolical crimes, committed by predominantly europeans using weapons against innocents. [When the innocents fight back they are usually called terrorists.]

Early on it was stone and bronze weapons, cannon, then iron and steel, rifles, high explosives, aluminium planes, uranium bombs; there's always a new thing, but guns generally continue to be most accessible.

A failing culture (capitalism) formed from and based on thuggery and theft and unfair deals and hoarding from so far back in time, is a difficult thing to turn around, especially with so many adversarial systems set in place, like police and law and finance, continuing to maintain an adversarial mind set.

Has anyone said "sorry" and meant it, and actually given the land back to its true owners, and made good the damage, and their losses ?
If as a kid you stole a toy from another kid, didn't your mum, or dad, or priest tell you to give it back and say sorry, and mean it !

What I'm saying is it's all about collective mindset, or culture (except for the real loonies). Have a culture that is loving and caring and considerate, and things would be nicer than continuing being greedy, paranoid, over protective, angry, and trigger happy. If someone is unhappy or disgruntled, don't punish them or screw them over, but help them find happiness, and then there's less chance of them turning psycho and using a gun.

Reject the ancient Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Viking, English/European cultures of conquest, subjugation, and rule by the sword/gun, and:

become humanitarians again, caring and facilitating and helpful; instead of the antagonism, ridicule, harassment, bullying, threatening, and punitive actions used by society today.