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Toodygirl5

Fri 02/23/18 10:31 AM




Sorry Ms.H this is one debate with me you have no chance to win.I would rather die trying to save those kids than die knowing I left those kids to die..and if they call me a hero or not..doesn't matter to me..what would matter to me is knowing I did the right thing and all I could ..You don't leave innocent children to die just to save your butt..

This guy will never live it down and it doesn't matter the title..for the title if nothing else is...man





:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Yes the sheriff did Nothing!!!
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Fri 02/23/18 10:34 AM
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msharmony

Fri 02/23/18 10:32 AM




Most parents and the sheriff's superiors felt he was wrong in his non-action.

That's a fact.




I dont know if thats a 'fact'. I havent polled 'most parents'.

But the sheriff felt he had to appease the public with a scapegoat, nothing new. While at the same time deflecting from his own office culpability in not acting upon the list of warnings they received about this boy that might have done much more to 'save lives' than this one person ever could have.


Who has to Pole parents! Parents wanted protection for their children at all costs.

Don't think it was about any scapegoat!!

Media reported sheriff supervisor said "he was in the wrong. " He didn't act!!




I think anyone stating what 'most' of anyone thinks as a fact should have some poll or survey from which the conclusion is drawn.

I seem to see a whole lot of families that wanted protection but have not MENTIONED that officer at all and have mentioned PLENTY about gun laws and gun access instead.

Sheriff supervisor probably did say he was wrong, why wouldnt he? He needs to do SOMETHING to look like he cares and is taking some kind of action.
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Rooster35

Fri 02/23/18 10:33 AM



Again, he DID call it in. cops call for back up and WAIT for back up as part of their job as well.


His job was to secure the place. That's it. Clear cut and simple.
He called for backup as a matter of procedures but his duties extended much further than that. His duties included the security of the building which mean access control. It was implied in his position and duties. He knew that as a deputy or should have known it.
I was an armed security officer sometime when I was young. Access control is the first line of defense and it's where he should have concentrated his efforts before such a tragedy could occur. He was fully aware, or should have been, that a school could become a battleground and should have worked towards preventing a looney to just walze in there and start spraying the place.
He failed from A to Z.

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Edited by Rooster35 on Fri 02/23/18 10:34 AM
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Toodygirl5

Fri 02/23/18 10:38 AM





Most parents and the sheriff's superiors felt he was wrong in his non-action.

That's a fact.




I dont know if thats a 'fact'. I havent polled 'most parents'.

But the sheriff felt he had to appease the public with a scapegoat, nothing new. While at the same time deflecting from his own office culpability in not acting upon the list of warnings they received about this boy that might have done much more to 'save lives' than this one person ever could have.


Who has to Pole parents! Parents wanted protection for their children at all costs.

Don't think it was about any scapegoat!!

Media reported sheriff supervisor said "he was in the wrong. " He didn't act!!




I think anyone stating what 'most' of anyone thinks as a fact should have some poll or survey from which the conclusion is drawn.



Ask the parents then!!!!

Media report s here, I tend to listen..
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Fri 02/23/18 10:40 AM
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msharmony

Fri 02/23/18 10:42 AM




Again, he DID call it in. cops call for back up and WAIT for back up as part of their job as well.


His job was to secure the place. That's it. Clear cut and simple.
He called for backup as a matter of procedures but his duties extended much further than that. His duties included the security of the building which mean access control. It was implied in position. He knew that as a deputy or should have known it.
I was an armed security officer sometime when I was young. Access control is the first line of defense and it's where he should have concentrated his efforts before such a tragedy could occur. He was fully aware, or should have been, that a school could become a battleground and should have worked towards preventing a looney to just walze in there and start spraying the place.
He failed from A to Z.





what failed was the planning. One person is not gonna 'secure' a campus that size by themself, its inconceivable to expect.

and there wasnt a 'building' but at least 12.

It is not implied to commit suicide for anyone in any job. The goal is less damage not more. as a security officer, I doubt you were responsible for that large a space or encountered that type of scenario with that type of weapon. He 'prevented' all he could as one person watching over that much area and that many people. With respect, the 'HERO' scenario was probably not going to play out to save ANYONE's life.

He did what he could ONCE it began to assist in ending it by calling in the NUMBERS of manpower it ended up taking to find and stop the source.
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msharmony

Fri 02/23/18 10:43 AM






Most parents and the sheriff's superiors felt he was wrong in his non-action.

That's a fact.




I dont know if thats a 'fact'. I havent polled 'most parents'.

But the sheriff felt he had to appease the public with a scapegoat, nothing new. While at the same time deflecting from his own office culpability in not acting upon the list of warnings they received about this boy that might have done much more to 'save lives' than this one person ever could have.


Who has to Pole parents! Parents wanted protection for their children at all costs.

Don't think it was about any scapegoat!!

Media reported sheriff supervisor said "he was in the wrong. " He didn't act!!




I think anyone stating what 'most' of anyone thinks as a fact should have some poll or survey from which the conclusion is drawn.



Ask the parents then!!!!

Media report s here, I tend to listen..


Thats okay. Im not stating that I know as a FACT regarding how they feel or what they think. I am listening as well, and mostly hear alot of the people who actually went through the ordeal pissed off about access to guns.
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tombraider

Fri 02/23/18 10:50 AM



Polls where you ask so many people their opinions but not everyone..and depending on how many or who you ask determines the answer for all..yea I've never given polls that much credence..so that just doesn't work for me..never has..

My opinion will never sway as far as the actions of this resource officer..for me it would come down to "do I leave these children to die at the hands of a madman of do I take this gun and my ability to use it and my training and go in and try to stop it or wait while he continues to murder those children..


He had a gun which was a lot more than those kids had...In my opinion he had a weapon he just didn't have a set of stones to go with it..spock
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Rooster35

Fri 02/23/18 10:52 AM


what failed was the planning. One person is not gonna 'secure' a campus that size by themself, its inconceivable to expect.

and there wasnt a 'building' but at least 12.

It is not implied to commit suicide for anyone in any job. The goal is less damage not more. as a security officer, I doubt you were responsible for that large a space or encountered that type of scenario with that type of weapon. He 'prevented' all he could as one person watching over that much area and that many people. With respect, the 'HERO' scenario was probably not going to play out to save ANYONE's life.

He did what he could ONCE it began to assist in ending it by calling in the NUMBERS of manpower it ended up taking to find and stop the source.



Again, it was his DUTY to make sure he had all the resources available to do his job properly. It was his job to report security risks and covering 12 buildings on his own was a big f....g breach of security.
As a professional he should have known he didn't have the resources to carry out his duties to the best of his abilities and should have requested - insisted - that those resources be made available to him, in whatever form those resources could have been essertained and determined and if these resources weren't forthcoming then he should have gone higher up and report the situation.
He didn't have to be alone there. He should not have accepted to be alone there. He should not have accepted sole responsibility for the whole place.
He did NOT do his job. He failed in his duties in many ways.
Edited by Rooster35 on Fri 02/23/18 10:58 AM
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msharmony

Fri 02/23/18 10:52 AM

agree to disagree, As Ive been told, fists can be 'weapons' too, but I wouldnt advise someone to use a fist against a gun just for the sake of doing 'something'

We could have been burying 18 instead of 17, 17 is tragic enough. For me.
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Toodygirl5

Fri 02/23/18 10:57 AM







Most parents and the sheriff's superiors felt he was wrong in his non-action.

That's a fact.




I dont know if thats a 'fact'. I havent polled 'most parents'.

But the sheriff felt he had to appease the public with a scapegoat, nothing new. While at the same time deflecting from his own office culpability in not acting upon the list of warnings they received about this boy that might have done much more to 'save lives' than this one person ever could have.


Who has to Pole parents! Parents wanted protection for their children at all costs.

Don't think it was about any scapegoat!!

Media reported sheriff supervisor said "he was in the wrong. " He didn't act!!




I think anyone stating what 'most' of anyone thinks as a fact should have some poll or survey from which the conclusion is drawn.



Ask the parents then!!!!

Media report s here, I tend to listen..


Thats okay. Im not stating that I know as a FACT regarding how they feel or what they think. I am listening as well, and mostly hear alot of the people who actually went through the ordeal pissed off about access to guns.



I see hurting parents over loss of children because a sheriff could have helped but didn't go in to do anything!!!

Guess you watch different news.
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mightymoe

Fri 02/23/18 11:00 AM




Most parents and the sheriff's superiors felt he was wrong in his non-action.

That's a fact.




I dont know if thats a 'fact'. I havent polled 'most parents'.

But the sheriff felt he had to appease the public with a scapegoat, nothing new. While at the same time deflecting from his own office culpability in not acting upon the list of warnings they received about this boy that might have done much more to 'save lives' than this one person ever could have.


Who has to Pole parents! Parents wanted protection for their children at all costs.

Don't think it was about any scapegoat!!

Media reported sheriff supervisor said "he was in the wrong. " He didn't act!!


I agree, what's the point of a police at schools if they don't act when they need to? I'm sure he had his fun bossing the kids around that didn't have guns... And the sheriff was "in the wrong" for ever hiring someone of his nature...
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mightymoe

Fri 02/23/18 11:07 AM


agree to disagree, As Ive been told, fists can be 'weapons' too, but I wouldnt advise someone to use a fist against a gun just for the sake of doing 'something'

We could have been burying 18 instead of 17, 17 is tragic enough. For me.
on the other hand, maybe if he woulda done his job, maybe only 2 or 3 deaths, including the gunman, would have been buried... But we'll never know since he didn't do his job...in the meantime, we'll just keep blaming guns as the problem...
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msharmony

Fri 02/23/18 11:11 AM








Most parents and the sheriff's superiors felt he was wrong in his non-action.

That's a fact.




I dont know if thats a 'fact'. I havent polled 'most parents'.

But the sheriff felt he had to appease the public with a scapegoat, nothing new. While at the same time deflecting from his own office culpability in not acting upon the list of warnings they received about this boy that might have done much more to 'save lives' than this one person ever could have.


Who has to Pole parents! Parents wanted protection for their children at all costs.

Don't think it was about any scapegoat!!

Media reported sheriff supervisor said "he was in the wrong. " He didn't act!!




I think anyone stating what 'most' of anyone thinks as a fact should have some poll or survey from which the conclusion is drawn.



Ask the parents then!!!!

Media report s here, I tend to listen..


Thats okay. Im not stating that I know as a FACT regarding how they feel or what they think. I am listening as well, and mostly hear alot of the people who actually went through the ordeal pissed off about access to guns.



I see hurting parents over loss of children because a sheriff could have helped but didn't go in to do anything!!!

Guess you watch different news.



lol... i doubt it

I have not heard nearly as many parents yelling about that 'sheriff' as I have about gun laws.
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msharmony

Fri 02/23/18 11:13 AM



agree to disagree, As Ive been told, fists can be 'weapons' too, but I wouldnt advise someone to use a fist against a gun just for the sake of doing 'something'

We could have been burying 18 instead of 17, 17 is tragic enough. For me.
on the other hand, maybe if he woulda done his job, maybe only 2 or 3 deaths, including the gunman, would have been buried... But we'll never know since he didn't do his job...in the meantime, we'll just keep blaming guns as the problem...


or blaming anything and everything BUT Guns ...

either way, it ends up with plenty of scapegoats and no lasting solutions...

perhaps in such an 'advanced' society and such a 'great' country, we could tackle more than ONE issue at a time? Like culture, AND guns, AND planning?

nah ... too difficult, pointing one finger at one thing is so much more simple and so much more effective at pointing away from ourself.
Edited by msharmony on Fri 02/23/18 11:14 AM
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Toodygirl5

Fri 02/23/18 11:36 AM



agree to disagree, As Ive been told, fists can be 'weapons' too, but I wouldnt advise someone to use a fist against a gun just for the sake of doing 'something'

We could have been burying 18 instead of 17, 17 is tragic enough. For me.
on the other hand, maybe if he woulda done his job, maybe only 2 or 3 deaths, including the gunman, would have been buried... But we'll never know since he didn't do his job...in the meantime, we'll just keep blaming guns as the problem...



Demos always usually turn things like shootings, into gun control issue.

I just seen media news and Trump wants schools to hire armed guards inside all schools!

Some already have that.
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Fri 02/23/18 11:38 AM
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mightymoe

Fri 02/23/18 11:54 AM




agree to disagree, As Ive been told, fists can be 'weapons' too, but I wouldnt advise someone to use a fist against a gun just for the sake of doing 'something'

We could have been burying 18 instead of 17, 17 is tragic enough. For me.
on the other hand, maybe if he woulda done his job, maybe only 2 or 3 deaths, including the gunman, would have been buried... But we'll never know since he didn't do his job...in the meantime, we'll just keep blaming guns as the problem...



Demos always usually turn things like shootings, into gun control issue.

I just seen media news and Trump wants schools to hire armed guards inside all schools!

Some already have that.
the orwellian future is near...
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Argo

Fri 02/23/18 01:47 PM

i don't understand people who want to make this deputy into
a scapegoat and compare his actions with what they would be
doing if it was them in his place...AFTER the facts, its
easy to puff up your chest and claim that a real hero would
have done like i would have done...just for a minute suppose
it happened this way..

he gets the radio call to take up a position, as instructed
in the plan established by those in charge, he is told to
stand-by as back-up is on the way...he follows the order...
a minute later he hears shots echoing near bldg3..he says
the hell with orders i'm going after him and rushes toward
bld3 with no fear for his own life...unfortunately he doesnt
find the shooter at bld3...while all this is happening another
couple minutes passes...

AFTER the chaos is over...the 17th victims body turns up
ten feet from the spot he was supposed to be standing by at..

now the chief says, deputy if you had only followed the
protocol and the orders given the shooter would have run
directly into YOU instead of his 17th victim...that childs
blood is now on your hands...

it didnt happen that way, it happened the way it happened..
finger pointing by gold-braided generals from the
"Hero's Gallery" doesnt help or offer solutions to anything..
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msharmony

Fri 02/23/18 01:55 PM


i don't understand people who want to make this deputy into
a scapegoat and compare his actions with what they would be
doing if it was them in his place...AFTER the facts, its
easy to puff up your chest and claim that a real hero would
have done like i would have done...just for a minute suppose
it happened this way..

he gets the radio call to take up a position, as instructed
in the plan established by those in charge, he is told to
stand-by as back-up is on the way...he follows the order...
a minute later he hears shots echoing near bldg3..he says
the hell with orders i'm going after him and rushes toward
bld3 with no fear for his own life...unfortunately he doesnt
find the shooter at bld3...while all this is happening another
couple minutes passes...

AFTER the chaos is over...the 17th victims body turns up
ten feet from the spot he was supposed to be standing by at..

now the chief says, deputy if you had only followed the
protocol and the orders given the shooter would have run
directly into YOU instead of his 17th victim...that childs
blood is now on your hands...

it didnt happen that way, it happened the way it happened..
finger pointing by gold-braided generals from the
"Hero's Gallery" doesnt help or offer solutions to anything..



it seems to be an idea of hero requiring them to at least 'attempt' to take the bad guys life, regardless of the odd of that attempt will actually help anyone or not, or as in the case of guns, just provide them with another tool of death at the end of the day.

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Argo

Fri 02/23/18 02:54 PM






it seems to be an idea of hero requiring them to at least 'attempt' to take the bad guys life, regardless of the odd of that attempt will actually help anyone or not, or as in the case of guns, just provide them with another tool of death at the end of the day.



it makes think of the "attempts" being offered by Trump, Rubio,
Lapierre and others of the pro-gun advocate ilk...

ok, the bump-stock goes
ok, we'll look into the enhanced backround checks

but our main focus should be..arming a couple hundred thousand
teachers well trained teachers ex military teachers use our
veterans hang up signs that say "WE have guns stay away bad guys"

and when this brilliant plan of ours is all accomplished and
paid for we'll just sit back and wait for the bad guys
to show up at some random classroom and then our wonderful
teachers can kill them off one at a time, until all the
bad guys are dead and gone, and we will live happily ever after..

now that there^^is a real and viable attempt to solve the
problem of school shootings

#MAGA.......#NRA
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alleoops

Fri 02/23/18 03:26 PM







it seems to be an idea of hero requiring them to at least 'attempt' to take the bad guys life, regardless of the odd of that attempt will actually help anyone or not, or as in the case of guns, just provide them with another tool of death at the end of the day.



it makes think of the "attempts" being offered by Trump, Rubio,
Lapierre and others of the pro-gun advocate ilk...

ok, the bump-stock goes
ok, we'll look into the enhanced backround checks

but our main focus should be..arming a couple hundred thousand
teachers well trained teachers ex military teachers use our
veterans hang up signs that say "WE have guns stay away bad guys"

and when this brilliant plan of ours is all accomplished and
paid for we'll just sit back and wait for the bad guys
to show up at some random classroom and then our wonderful
teachers can kill them off one at a time, until all the
bad guys are dead and gone, and we will live happily ever after..

now that there^^is a real and viable attempt to solve the
problem of school shootings

#MAGA.......#NRA


or, a real attempt to solve the
problem of school shootings would be to get
on a date site forum and whine about it.
now that there is a real and viable solution.