Topic: Capturing The Soul at the Moment of Death
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Tom4Uhere

Fri 05/18/18 10:12 AM



Everything within the Universe is made of Energy in one form or another, including us. ~ Tom

Perhaps it is possible to detect and even contain the soul upon death. There are a few things that may be getting in the way and I think they are worthy of discussion.

Camera Speed:
Perhaps all we need is the right recording speed. Current high-speed cameras may be too slow to capture the phenomenon. A thousand frames per second may not be fast enough. Maybe we need Giga-Frames per second?

Resolution:
High-def and blue ray resolution may not be clear enough to isolate the photons of the image. The whole conversion process may occur only in detail comparable to neutrinos. Neutrinos can only be resolved by slowing them down in the substrate of the detector. Perhaps we need to create the proper substrate?

Timing:
This is a very complex concept that deserves extensive consideration. How long does it take and at what time during death does the soul actually leave?

Lets explore the act of dying and the reality of what actually happens.

Clinical Death:
At one time we 'believed' that death occurs when the body stops breathing. Our science has changed that time to when our brains stop functioning from lack of oxygen. I think it is safe to say we all understand that and accept it as the defining moment of death.

Body Death:
Anyone with any education in Biology knows that our body is made up of cells. We know that those cells are created, function and then die only to be replaced with new cells. When new cells are no longer being created the body dies.

Energy Depletion Death:
Energy cannot be created or destroyed. If you don't know that - Google it.
All matter in the Universe is created and composed of energy. Even the cells of your body are made of matter. That matter is also composed of energy. Even dead matter has energy.
Complete and utter death cannot happen as long as there is matter containing the energy that was you. Only when the last eruption of energy converts the final remaining matter has death truly occurred.

This brings me to a question about the soul.

Belief of the Soul:
Anyone alive senses the energy that makes up their bodies. We label that sense of energy the Soul.
Our perception of personality is how we accept the sense of soul. We 'feel' our body's energy and project that sensation as a center mass of self. When we witness death, we assume the soul has left that body to go somewhere else.

Reality of the Soul:
Nobody actually knows what the reality of the soul is. Our bodies shed dead cells through-out our lives but those cells are not sensed as they decay into base energy. Amputees that lose limbs do not sense their limbs as they decay. The sense of self is severed from the whole. In the case of amputees, they do sense phantoms of their limbs as if they were still attached. This aura of soul happens within the mind.

What is the Mind?:
The mind is a series of chemical reactions within our brains that control our bodies and shape our perceptions. Drugs, alcohol (which is a drug) and lobotomy changes the patterns of reactions inside our brains which changes our perceptions and body control. Our senses also change our perceptions of reality but our minds use experience and imagination to make sense of those changes. We substitute reality with belief so we can function.

To Prove the Soul is a Reality:
As I think on this it occurs to me that there is only one way to prove there is a soul after death. Proving this may open the door to methods to capture and possibly relocate it as an entity.
Here is what we need.
What we need is not necessarily what we can do;
1. A willing, living subject ready to die.
2. A true void
- Not just a vacuum a complete void of energy. No light, no air, not protons per square centimeter. Absolute nothingness at absolute zero.
3. An inert recording device.
- This will prove to be the most difficult obstacle.
A recording device constitutes mechanical moving parts. Inserting this device into a true void renders the void simulated not true. Absolute Zero is the cessation of all movement. Movement is heat - heat is energy. The device itself would introduce energy into the void that could contaminate the results.
For that matter, even the walls of the containment area might contain heat. Even the forces used to create a magnetic containment must have something to act upon. That bubble of containment would have an event horizon which would release energy.

Let's say we created something that serves our purposes. What might we see?

Isolated from all surrounding energy the person (the subject) would glow with energy being released as the body decays. With nothing to move to, that energy would be trapped around the body. As more energy is released by more decay the glow would get brighter and hotter. When the last bit of matter is converted to energy all that would remain is the energy that once was that person.
I hope you can follow me because this is where it gets really weird.
When the void is broken that energy gets released into the energy of the Universe. It explodes in a rapid release that saturates all matter in all directions. This is where your giga-frame per second camera comes into play. Up until you broke the void, every bit of energy that was that person is trapped. Even the soul.

Moving that energy void into a construct that can absorb the radiated energy entirely might also transfer the soul to that object.

I didn't say it would be easy - LOL
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eric22t

Fri 05/18/18 10:15 AM

i say let's give it a swerve and put all that effort into making the life we have a good onelaugh
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ShybutKind

Fri 05/18/18 10:39 AM

I try not to think about it actually. sad laugh
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Tom4Uhere

Fri 05/18/18 10:48 AM


I try not to think about it actually. sad laugh

I understand

I'm in a situation in life where I have nothing but time.
I ponder a lot of things on many different subjects.
Its idle entertainment for me because I have a whole lot of idle.
For me, its like sitting around a firepit or on a tailgate at a river and pondering whatever comes to mind.
I post them here because I just looking for firepit type feedback and discussion since I have an empty firepit anymore.
Keeps me from being bored.
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Unknow

Fri 05/18/18 11:05 AM

Tom, this brings to mind a great old British movie called 'stairway to heaven ' David niven,
About a war time pilot.
A real good watch if you can get it :thumbsup:
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Tom4Uhere

Fri 05/18/18 11:12 AM


Tom, this brings to mind a great old British movie called 'stairway to heaven ' David niven,
About a war time pilot.
A real good watch if you can get it :thumbsup:

A Matter of Life and Death
PG
1946 ‧ Drama/Fantasy ‧ 1h 44m
Yup, seen it.
http://youtu.be/-t3Xv70vkY8?t=1m11s
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ShybutKind

Fri 05/18/18 11:14 AM



I try not to think about it actually. sad laugh

I understand

I'm in a situation in life where I have nothing but time.
I ponder a lot of things on many different subjects.
Its idle entertainment for me because I have a whole lot of idle.
For me, its like sitting around a firepit or on a tailgate at a river and pondering whatever comes to mind.
I post them here because I just looking for firepit type feedback and discussion since I have an empty firepit anymore.
Keeps me from being bored.

I understand, and it’s very interesting actually. I know a man who took his own life, was pronounced dead at the hispital he was rushed to and five minutes later came back to life for several more minutes. He even spoke. I’ve been told this happens more than we might think.
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Unknow

Fri 05/18/18 11:14 AM



Tom, this brings to mind a great old British movie called 'stairway to heaven ' David niven,
About a war time pilot.
A real good watch if you can get it :thumbsup:

A Matter of Life and Death
PG
1946 ‧ Drama/Fantasy ‧ 1h 44m
Yup, seen it.
http://youtu.be/-t3Xv70vkY8?t=1m11s

It's the massive court in heaven that's, well, strange with all the people!
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Argo

Fri 05/18/18 11:20 AM

trap the souls energy in black box void...for what ?
to prove that it exists. to take a picture of it ?
to attach it to some other object ?

let it be released according to natures way and allow
the dead to rest in peace...
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Tom4Uhere

Fri 05/18/18 11:32 AM

This particular OP was inspired by an old website I surfed across concerning capturing the soul.
It referenced an old movie I saw that concerned that very thing.
The film is called:
The Asphyx (1972)

The Asphyx is a 1972 British horror film directed by Peter Newbrook. Also known as Spirit of the Dead and The Horror of Death, it stars Robert Stephens and Robert Powell.
This film concentrates on the idea of capturing and bottling up the Asphyx (soul essence) to create immortality.
I found it interesting as a concept and expounded on it with this OP.
Here is a youtube version of the film.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHgOdkuq3wY


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Unknow

Fri 05/18/18 11:39 AM

I remember seeing old horror films from the 70's, especially British, they were very dark and deep! Something you don't get now!
Or maybe it's just in a different way.
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Tom4Uhere

Fri 05/18/18 11:48 AM

In the film
Brainstorm (1983)

Brainstorm is an American 1983 science fiction film directed by Douglas Trumbull, and starring Christopher Walken, Natalie Wood (in her final film role), Louise Fletcher and Cliff Robertson.



It follows a research team's efforts to perfect a system that directly records the sensory and emotional feelings of a subject and the efforts by the company's management to exploit the device for military ends.

In the film, a woman dies while wearing the recording device.
When others play back the recording they die too until the sensory feedback is adjusted. Then, the recording shows the woman's soul leaving and moving across space and time to meet up with other souls.

There's a comical segment where one of them gets the bright idea to record an orgasm and loops it to a continuous feed. LOL, how desperate would you have to be to do such a thing?

Here's a youtube version of the film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tITwbAaxF8k

Here's the sequence I am talking about
http://youtu.be/tITwbAaxF8k?t=1h19m15s

Its movies like these that make me wonder about the concept of capturing or recording the soul at the moment of death.
But as I said earlier, its idle entertainment only.
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Fri 05/18/18 11:51 AM
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Unknow

Fri 05/18/18 11:53 AM

There is a film I've watched a couple of times, can't remember the name but I'll try find it
It's about a military guy who kinda died but they put him in a machine to thwart a terrorist attack on a train. He keeps having to replay the moment until he figures out who does it then stop it happening. He falls for the girl on the train!
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Unknow

Fri 05/18/18 11:59 AM

Source code, that's the one laugh
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Tom4Uhere

Fri 05/18/18 12:10 PM

I had an NDE with an OOB experience.
Thing is, even tho my heart stopped my brain and body cells were still oxygenated. Clinically, I was dead but not really.

During my OOB time my senses were in overload. I could see everything, hear everything, feel everything in hyper-sense. I remained in the ambulance I didn't float away.

I tried to make sense of what I experienced.
Religion offered comfort but never really hit on what I experienced.
Then I read about how when a body is in the process of dying it goes into a hyperactive jumpstart mode.
This actually made more sense to me than any other explanation of what I experienced.
I wasn't 'Truly Dead" I was dying.
I had more of a sense of fading than I had of moving off someplace else.
Which kinda makes sense to me.

This inspired me to liken my soul or life essence to a type of energy.
I feel that when I do die, I will fade into the energy of the Universe.
I will disperse, part of me will be everywhere but no part of me will be the whole me. There will no longer be an "I" or a "Me".
But, I'm okay with that.
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Unknow

Fri 05/18/18 12:13 PM


I had an NDE with an OOB experience.
Thing is, even tho my heart stopped my brain and body cells were still oxygenated. Clinically, I was dead but not really.

During my OOB time my senses were in overload. I could see everything, hear everything, feel everything in hyper-sense. I remained in the ambulance I didn't float away.

I tried to make sense of what I experienced.
Religion offered comfort but never really hit on what I experienced.
Then I read about how when a body is in the process of dying it goes into a hyperactive jumpstart mode.
This actually made more sense to me than any other explanation of what I experienced.
I wasn't 'Truly Dead" I was dying.
I had more of a sense of fading than I had of moving off someplace else.
Which kinda makes sense to me.

This inspired me to liken my soul or life essence to a type of energy.
I feel that when I do die, I will fade into the energy of the Universe.
I will disperse, part of me will be everywhere but no part of me will be the whole me. There will no longer be an "I" or a "Me".
But, I'm okay with that.

So, the way I see it and you describe it I'd say if anything the soul is in the mind/brain rather than the heart?
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Tom4Uhere

Fri 05/18/18 12:32 PM



I had an NDE with an OOB experience.
Thing is, even tho my heart stopped my brain and body cells were still oxygenated. Clinically, I was dead but not really.

During my OOB time my senses were in overload. I could see everything, hear everything, feel everything in hyper-sense. I remained in the ambulance I didn't float away.

I tried to make sense of what I experienced.
Religion offered comfort but never really hit on what I experienced.
Then I read about how when a body is in the process of dying it goes into a hyperactive jumpstart mode.
This actually made more sense to me than any other explanation of what I experienced.
I wasn't 'Truly Dead" I was dying.
I had more of a sense of fading than I had of moving off someplace else.
Which kinda makes sense to me.

This inspired me to liken my soul or life essence to a type of energy.
I feel that when I do die, I will fade into the energy of the Universe.
I will disperse, part of me will be everywhere but no part of me will be the whole me. There will no longer be an "I" or a "Me".
But, I'm okay with that.

So, the way I see it and you describe it I'd say if anything the soul is in the mind/brain rather than the heart?

Well, kinda.
Again, this is based on my own NDE.

The mind/brain is the processor. The body is the sensors and actuators the mind/brain control. So, as far as 'soul' goes, the whole body is the soul.
Which could explain why we sense the 'self' in our center.

I spent a few months of my youth experimenting with sensory deprivation.
Even participated in a college buddy's sensory dep tank experiments.
When senses are muted, the center self expands. You lose part of what makes you, you. This is why I feel the soul is mind/brain/body.
I remember coming out of the dep tank vividly. It was a rush of me returning.
I didn't feel that when the paramedics restarted my heart.
I felt a rush of severe pain. While I was NDE, I felt no pain at all.
While I was in the dep tank I felt no pain but coming out of the dep tank was not painful. That was because when I went into the dep tank, I was not in pain.

I've read a few articles about people that experience severe pain shut down. Burn victims that no longer feel the pain enter into a coma. I wonder if they are experiencing what I did during my NDE? Are their souls still there but hovering just outside the body? Are they aware, like I was, of things happening around them?

I find it all pretty interesting to contemplate.
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Unknow

Fri 05/18/18 12:35 PM




I had an NDE with an OOB experience.
Thing is, even tho my heart stopped my brain and body cells were still oxygenated. Clinically, I was dead but not really.

During my OOB time my senses were in overload. I could see everything, hear everything, feel everything in hyper-sense. I remained in the ambulance I didn't float away.

I tried to make sense of what I experienced.
Religion offered comfort but never really hit on what I experienced.
Then I read about how when a body is in the process of dying it goes into a hyperactive jumpstart mode.
This actually made more sense to me than any other explanation of what I experienced.
I wasn't 'Truly Dead" I was dying.
I had more of a sense of fading than I had of moving off someplace else.
Which kinda makes sense to me.

This inspired me to liken my soul or life essence to a type of energy.
I feel that when I do die, I will fade into the energy of the Universe.
I will disperse, part of me will be everywhere but no part of me will be the whole me. There will no longer be an "I" or a "Me".
But, I'm okay with that.

So, the way I see it and you describe it I'd say if anything the soul is in the mind/brain rather than the heart?

Well, kinda.
Again, this is based on my own NDE.

The mind/brain is the processor. The body is the sensors and actuators the mind/brain control. So, as far as 'soul' goes, the whole body is the soul.
Which could explain why we sense the 'self' in our center.

I spent a few months of my youth experimenting with sensory deprivation.
Even participated in a college buddy's sensory dep tank experiments.
When senses are muted, the center self expands. You lose part of what makes you, you. This is why I feel the soul is mind/brain/body.
I remember coming out of the dep tank vividly. It was a rush of me returning.
I didn't feel that when the paramedics restarted my heart.
I felt a rush of severe pain. While I was NDE, I felt no pain at all.
While I was in the dep tank I felt no pain but coming out of the dep tank was not painful. That was because when I went into the dep tank, I was not in pain.

I've read a few articles about people that experience severe pain shut down. Burn victims that no longer feel the pain enter into a coma. I wonder if they are experiencing what I did during my NDE? Are their souls still there but hovering just outside the body? Are they aware, like I was, of things happening around them?

I find it all pretty interesting to contemplate.

It's a bit like space, or the universe, hard for the mind to process.
Dep tank tom?
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eric22t

Fri 05/18/18 12:49 PM

sensory deprivation tank i think mikey
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Unknow

Fri 05/18/18 12:51 PM


sensory deprivation tank i think mikey

Thanks eric, I just read back and thought that was it :thumbsup: