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yellowrose10

Wed 05/30/18 11:40 AM

From mightymoe
the bible isn't meant to be understood, its meant to be explained by someone who says they are closer to God than you...

And exactly how would you know that?

The Bible is meant to be understood. But only those who have read it would know that.

There was a time in history where only priests were allowed to interpret scripture because people were ignorant to figure it out themselves.

Different people will come up with different interpretations

mightymoe

Wed 05/30/18 01:20 PM

From mightymoe
the bible isn't meant to be understood, its meant to be explained by someone who says they are closer to God than you...

And exactly how would you know that?

The Bible is meant to be understood. But only those who have read it would know that.

funny how religious people think they are the only ones to read a bible...one of the main reasons I'm the way that I am is because of the bible and how it makes no sense to me...

yellowrose10

Wed 05/30/18 01:27 PM

From mightymoe
the bible isn't meant to be understood, its meant to be explained by someone who says they are closer to God than you...

And exactly how would you know that?

The Bible is meant to be understood. But only those who have read it would know that.

funny how religious people think they are the only ones to read a bible...one of the main reasons I'm the way that I am is because of the bible and how it makes no sense to me...

Don't lump us all together ;)

I am Christian but I don't try to shove my belief either

mightymoe

Wed 05/30/18 01:31 PM

From mightymoe
the bible isn't meant to be understood, its meant to be explained by someone who says they are closer to God than you...

And exactly how would you know that?

The Bible is meant to be understood. But only those who have read it would know that.

funny how religious people think they are the only ones to read a bible...one of the main reasons I'm the way that I am is because of the bible and how it makes no sense to me...

Don't lump us all together ;)

I am Christian but I don't try to shove my belief either

mightymoe

Wed 05/30/18 01:32 PM

From mightymoe
the bible isn't meant to be understood, its meant to be explained by someone who says they are closer to God than you...

And exactly how would you know that?

The Bible is meant to be understood. But only those who have read it would know that.

funny how religious people think they are the only ones to read a bible...one of the main reasons I'm the way that I am is because of the bible and how it makes no sense to me...

Don't lump us all together ;)

I am Christian but I don't try to shove my belief either

I know, you're one of the few religious people I can respect... flowers

I was referring to the comment you commented on

Edited by mightymoe on Wed 05/30/18 01:33 PM

yellowrose10

Wed 05/30/18 01:34 PM

From mightymoe
the bible isn't meant to be understood, its meant to be explained by someone who says they are closer to God than you...

And exactly how would you know that?

The Bible is meant to be understood. But only those who have read it would know that.

funny how religious people think they are the only ones to read a bible...one of the main reasons I'm the way that I am is because of the bible and how it makes no sense to me...

Don't lump us all together ;)

I am Christian but I don't try to shove my belief either

I know, you're one of the few religious people I can respect... flowers

I was referring to the comment you commented on

ReserveCorp

Wed 05/30/18 03:03 PM

Can't any religious folks have a disscussion without posting 500 quotes from the bible? The bible is abstract, meaning everyone interprets a different way... So by posting scriptures isn't really helping anything, just makes for an argument... Plus that, if we can read it here, we can read it in the bible as well...

Sometimes I get the impression that the book and what is written in them is more important than the ideals it is meant to instruct.
The books no longer supports the religion but become the religion itself.

Quoting the passages from the book is only pertinent if the person reading the passages believes the concepts of the book. The passage quotes prove nothing except that it is written in that book.

In science fiction, imagination is written as fantasy based on science.
Most religious texts don't have a basis in science or reality.
If you look in the fiction section of a book store you will find lots of books based on imagination and belief. The commonality is they are all based on some type of fantasy. It doesn't matter how complex the fantasy is, if it is not based on reality - it is fiction.

Now when passages are quoted and the work is based on fiction it has the same importance as quoting "The Hobbit" or "A Princess of Mars".
Any relation to reality is subjective to interpretation.

However, if you quote passages from a book of stereo instructions the passage has significance because stereos exist in the real world, wires, input/output jacks and components exist in the real world. You can go find them and follow the quoted passage to a definite outcome.

also, you can't really interpret stereo instructions 45 different ways, it isn't written in vague parables..

Right.
And if you do interpret those instructions incorrectly it yields immediate negative results. (No sound from the speakers)

I wonder if any of the religious folks get what you just typed...lol

I get it. And thanks, Moe and Tom for some well thought out posts.

ReserveCorp

Wed 05/30/18 03:20 PM

So whether you read these 500 quotes or not, you will never understand Christianity without reading The Scriptures in their entirety.

Maybe not. Maybe it doesn't matter if anyone understands Christianity. You yourself reject a major tenet of mainstream Christianity, the Trinity. And 80% of "The Scriptures" is the scriptures of the Jews. So maybe reading The Scriptures in their entirety would cause one to understand Judaism 80% and Christianity 20%. I really fail to see how reading a book in its entirety which is 80% the Hebrew scriptures will cause anyone to understand Christianity. There must be some un-said assumptions here.

Maybe all they need is to know what they need to do to attain eternal life, that information directly from Jesus, not from Paul or Peter or Moses, etc.

Oh, here it is:

...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)

"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

The only ones who will enter the kingdom of Heaven, according to Jesus, is "he who does the will of my Father." So simple. Throw the rest out, imo.

ReserveCorp

Wed 05/30/18 03:26 PM

From mightymoe
the bible isn't meant to be understood, its meant to be explained by someone who says they are closer to God than you...

And exactly how would you know that?

The Bible is meant to be understood. But only those who have read it would know that.

But bigd, I can say the exact same thing about The Urantia Book. Here, let me try it out:

paraphrasing bigd:
The Urantia Book is meant to be understood. But only those who have read it would know that.

In fact, such is our unofficial motto: "You have to read it to believe it."

Amen.

BigD9832

Wed 05/30/18 08:32 PM

From mightymoe
funny how religious people think they are the only ones to read a bible...one of the main reasons I'm the way that I am is because of the bible and how it makes no sense to me...

I suspect you have been reading the KJV. It is not a translation but an interpretation. I plan on writing more on this soon.

King James was a bisexual king.

mightymoe

Wed 05/30/18 10:08 PM

From mightymoe
funny how religious people think they are the only ones to read a bible...one of the main reasons I'm the way that I am is because of the bible and how it makes no sense to me...

I suspect you have been reading the KJV. It is not a translation but an interpretation. I plan on writing more on this soon.

King James was a bisexual king.

...well, start with the old testament...less confusing, but also makes less sense as well... Wondering what God was doing for the first 4.5 billion years, since man has only been here less than a million...oh, and the 10 billion years before that as well, since it doesn't distinguish any time frame when God "created the heavens and earth", which is about 10 billion years...at least that's what they teach in science anyway...

BigD9832

Thu 05/31/18 10:09 AM

From mightymoe
...well, start with the old testament...less confusing, but also makes less sense as well... Wondering what God was doing for the first 4.5 billion years, since man has only been here less than a million...oh, and the 10 billion years before that as well, since it doesn't distinguish any time frame when God "created the heavens and earth", which is about 10 billion years...at least that's what they teach in science anyway...

I have no problem with the 4.543 billion years theory.

Did you think that mankind was His only creation?

We are pretty self-centered, aren't we?

Edited by BigD9832 on Thu 05/31/18 10:09 AM

mightymoe

Thu 05/31/18 10:33 AM

I have no problem with the 4.543 billion years theory.

Did you think that mankind was His only creation?

We are pretty self-centered, aren't we?

the bible teaches man to be self centered that way

BlakeIAM

Thu 05/31/18 01:38 PM

Actually the Bible does not teach that whatsoever, actually quite the opposite .

BigD9832

Thu 05/31/18 10:19 PM

From mightymoe
the bible teaches man to be self centered that way

How do you figure?

iam_resurrected

Thu 05/31/18 10:33 PM

the bible teaches man to be self centered that way

Yeshua, told a very wealthy man to sell all he had and give it to the poor. He basically stated, possessions on earth are meaningless. Getting to heaven is what only mattered.

I think maybe you are confusing the difference between what God said vs what television preachers claim.

which btw, is direct opposite from one another as far east is from the west.

Edited by iam_resurrected on Thu 05/31/18 10:35 PM

BigD9832

Fri 06/01/18 12:26 PM

CLV John 3:13 And not one has ascended into heaven except He Who descends out of heaven, the Son of Mankind Who is in heaven.

Are you FROM heaven?

If now, you may find yourself on Earth for awhile.

ReserveCorp

Fri 06/01/18 03:56 PM

Did you mean "If not..." ? The "w" is not particularly close to the "t".

We will all be here until the dispensation. Then we will all awaken (be resurrected) on the "many mansions" that Jesus spoke of (John 14:2). There, everything will be explained by seriously qualified angels, and we will all be able to make an informed choice about our futures.

Anyway,

(2Ki 2:11) And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

John 3:13 is clearly wrong.

"went up" is functionally equivalent to "ascended."

BigD9832

Sun 06/03/18 07:55 AM

From yellowrose10
There was a time in history where only priests were allowed to interpret scripture because people were ignorant to figure it out themselves.

Different people will come up with different interpretations

Isn't that what the Catholic church is still doing today?