lol.. yeah, okay.

from Georgia letter of secession:
But they know the value of parchment rights in treacherous hands, and therefore they refuse to commit their own to the rulers whom the North offers us. Why? Because by their declared principles and policy they have outlawed $3,000,000,000 of our property in the common territories of the Union


from Mississippi letter of secession:
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.


from South Carolina letter of secession:
A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery



Texas secession clause:

In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law


...nah,, it wasnt over slavery ...

The Civil War grew out of longstanding tensions and disagreements about American life and politics. For more than 80 years, people in the Northern and Southern states had been debating the issues that ultimately led to war: economic policies and practices, cultural values, the extent and reach of the Federal government, and, most importantly, the role of slavery within American society.

Against the backdrop of these larger issues, individual soldiers had their own reasons for fighting. Their motivations often included a complex mix of personal, social, economic and political values that didn't necessarily match the aims expressed by their respective governments.

From the national parks history website...

Btw, did you thank the republicans yet?

thank them for what? the northern ones who didnt uphold slavery are gone, and replaced by the southern ones waging war on all 'others' ... from non christian muslims, to non 'american' mexicans, and any nation that doesn't bow like pushovers to our status ...

wth does that have to do with you thanking the Republican for abolishing slavery, since you wanna think the civil was only about slavery? There was no Muslims there, the we beat the Mexicans 40 years before that and took Texas...is that a weak attempt to deflect?

the republicans today would not have abolished slavery, the republicans who did died.

there were no muslims then, just negros. But since America could no longer legally and blatantly target negros, mexicans and muslims took their place.

what a cynical thing to say, and you wonder why racism exists today,look in the mirror, leftist always use race, most of us righties dont, and you want to link us to the alt right but you dont realize the alt right exists because of the Left identity political views.

you guys, and the name calling again. I dont know what 'leftists' use, but if I recall someone ELSE brought up BLACKS being unemployed. Someone ELSE brought up the Civil war and Civil rights. And then twists the conversation to claim what the 'others' ALWAYS do.

I only responded and kept responding as was relevant to the posts.

I haven't 'linked' anyone to anything , and I would say extremists feed off each other regardless of their source of extremism.

sometimes the truth hurts, just because you don't want it to be true matters little...just because you don't like the truth doesn't mean it's racist either...obviously the system is broken and needs to be fixed..screeching racism at every stop doesn't help a single thing...either help with a solution and not be a part of the problem...

name calling??

didn't you just use "extremists"?

and why do you get to say outrageous things like
"the republicans today would not have abolished slavery, the republicans who did died." without being challenged?

what kind of B.S. statement is that?

how would you know this?

and you're trying to tell me that the Left in American society, Im not talking about the free forums on M2, Im talking in America , that the left doesn't make it about race?

This is what I was talking about when I said the left in the real world goes on and on about race and racism.

Well so far, I have been accused by those I assume dont associate as 'left' considering all the blanket negative things they accuse them of ...

of saying a list of things that I NEVER said.

so far, I have been equated PERSONALLY to being a 'lefty' and by association of the negative things posted about them,

basically insulted by association instead of debated with as AN INDIVIDUAL of my own mind

I can respond to outrageous things like 'have you thanked republicans yet?" after preceding comments about the civil war, BY ANSWERING with the reason why I would feel no need to thank them as it regards to that topic.

Im not trying to tell you or anyone else what 'left' or 'right' does, I personally tire of every conversation of individual opinions in politics being minimized to such nonsense of what the 'left' or 'right'does.

This is what I was talking about when I said groupthink is killing logic and objectivity in America.

This isn't my first rodeo with you, we've been up and down this many, many times.. You wanna hide your hate, but you can't... Why not just let it out? Admit you think every white guy is racist, you've already proved thousands of times on here in past statements... Republicans want people to work for a living instead of sponging of the government..is that racist? Repubs like the capitalist system, which all races have benefited from...is that racist? If you're making someone money, they could care less who you are or where your from, as long as the checks keep coming...its not racist, its just the way it is...

I hate no one. I think Americans of every race are indoctrinated into racism. I dont think all Americans settle into accepting it or refuse to try to unlearn it though. I dont care what Republicans want , I doubt all of them want all the same things anymore than Democrats do.

Racist, is when you see the person's RACE as an indicator of their potential INDIVIDUAL value, it is when the person's RACE immediately causes a negative association of them as an INDIVIDUAL, and is especially harmful not in the one on one common interactions, but in interactions with those who are in positions of authority over the lives and livelihoods of others.

well, on that unrelated point, people care about many things simultaneously ... I agree. Race is one of the factors people consider to narrow down choices about other things they care about. That is the way it is as well.

I hate no one. I think Americans of every race are indoctrinated into racism. I dont think all Americans settle into accepting it or refuse to try to unlearn it though. I dont care what Republicans want , I doubt all of them want all the same things anymore than Democrats do.

Racist, is when you see the person's RACE as an indicator of their potential INDIVIDUAL value, it is when the person's RACE immediately causes a negative association of them as an INDIVIDUAL, and is especially harmful not in the one on one common interactions, but in interactions with those who are in positions of authority over the lives and livelihoods of others.

well, on that unrelated point, people care about many things simultaneously ... I agree. Race is one of the factors people consider to narrow down choices about other things they care about. That is the way it is as well.

I hate no one. I think Americans of every race are indoctrinated into racism. I dont think all Americans settle into accepting it or refuse to try to unlearn it though. I dont care what Republicans want , I doubt all of them want all the same things anymore than Democrats do.

Racist, is when you see the person's RACE as an indicator of their potential INDIVIDUAL value, it is when the person's RACE immediately causes a negative association of them as an INDIVIDUAL, and is especially harmful not in the one on one common interactions, but in interactions with those who are in positions of authority over the lives and livelihoods of others.

the only word there that means anything is value...when applying for a job, if the person doing the hiring sees you as a asset, 7-8 times outa 10 they will hire you...if they don't see you as an asset, you won't get hired...it has very little to do with race or religion, as you seem to think it does. Right now, the government forces companies to hire on race, whether they're qualified or not... Is that not a form of racism itself? I understand there are a lot of racists out there, but not near as many as you think...

Im a little confused by your post, if you claim you dont hate but you say that all Americans settle into accepting or refuse to try and unlearn racism?

If you can change dont you think others can change too?

Well so far, I have been accused by those I assume dont associate as 'left' considering all the blanket negative things they accuse them of ...

of saying a list of things that I NEVER said.

so far, I have been equated PERSONALLY to being a 'lefty' and by association of the negative things posted about them,

basically insulted by association instead of debated with as AN INDIVIDUAL of my own mind

I can respond to outrageous things like 'have you thanked republicans yet?" after preceding comments about the civil war, BY ANSWERING with the reason why I would feel no need to thank them as it regards to that topic.

Im not trying to tell you or anyone else what 'left' or 'right' does, I personally tire of every conversation of individual opinions in politics being minimized to such nonsense of what the 'left' or 'right'does.

This is what I was talking about when I said groupthink is killing logic and objectivity in America.