Topic: Cheating men
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Larsi666 😽

Tue 06/05/18 11:15 AM




what does it say to you if they don't enjoy playing games?
somethin to hide mayhaps....
Sounds like a bit of anti-social there..I am also
suspicious of anyone who does not like pets. Both pets and
games are usually done for someone other than yourself,
projecting I believe tis called, I would worry if someone
could not project.


Sorry, but I don't really get the part about projecting and pets sad2
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soufiehere

Tue 06/05/18 11:30 AM



Sorry, but I don't really get the part about projecting and pets sad2
I think she means if you cant project feelings of love onto a beloved pet then perhaps that speaks to your ability to do so with humans.
Exactly ;-)
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Larsi666 😽

Tue 06/05/18 11:42 AM

Now I got it, thanks :smile:

Well, my cats and bunnies are part of my family anyway, I am glad to have them, as they stood with me in very harsh times.
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eric22t

Tue 06/05/18 11:44 AM

so if SHE can't like them who do you keep?laugh
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Larsi666 😽

Tue 06/05/18 11:57 AM


so if SHE can't like them who do you keep?laugh


I showed my Ex, where the builders left the door laugh
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SparklingCrystal 💖💎

Tue 06/05/18 11:59 AM



..When you meet someone, watch for signs that they do, or do not, believe in some kind of "relative philosophy" or not. If someone thinks it's okay to treat some people one way, and other people another way, you should be very wary. Most liars and cheaters lie and cheat about EVERYTHING in their lives, not just about sexual fidelity..

I am in line with this Igor.

What I try to do is, play a game with the person.
A board game works best but it can be cards, golf, anything where
sportsmanship is involved.

I have NEVER discerned someone's character so fast as in a game!
The truth will out!

If they are a cheater they will try and cheat.
If they are a blamer, out it comes.
If they have no patience it soon shows.
If they are dishonest they will work it in.
Monopoly is great, you can see greed and revenge rear their ugly heads.

I's telling you...play a game with a prospective partner.
First.

Dang, that is one hell of a piece of good advice! And yes, thinking of it, it is very true!
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eric22t

Tue 06/05/18 11:59 AM

ding ding ding
we have a winner
give the man a cigar
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SparklingCrystal 💖💎

Tue 06/05/18 12:06 PM




what can I say "that's just the way it is" somethings will never change..there are no fix it answers... unless of course you warn all dates that they will be subjected to a lie detector test..and in doing so if they don't show up ..well ya just saved yourself a world of heartache..smile2




Nah, don't agree with 'that's just the way it is'.
What I do know is that when you have that conviction that you will be cheated upon, you WILL get cheated upon or at the very least will attract unreliable people into your life.
What it comes down to is learn to trust again, which means you got to trust YOU, trust that YOU will notice, trust that you can handle it, trust in the good of people.
If you cannot do that, if you've lost that, then you have a problem.
And yes, it can be scary to dare open up again after you've been hurt. Then take your time and work on self until you have regained your strength.
The thing is that only when you're open you are able to know/feel/sense when something is off. That in combination with common sense will get you a long long way.
The problem is that especially women tend to ignore the red flags, yet in hindsight you can tell they were there very early on.
Then the question is: why did I ignore those?
I think the answer for most would be that they hoped it would get better.
And that they didn't want to lose that man. THey didn't want to be alone again.
They didn't want to go through the pain, yet by staying it will only get worse.

So all boils down to self-love, self-respect, healthy boundaries.
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Larsi666 😽

Tue 06/05/18 12:07 PM


ding ding ding
we have a winner
give the man a cigar


Who? Me? But I don't smoke no more sad2

Okay, prolly one of them Cuban ones, when I have the divorce papers bigsmile
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ciretom

Tue 06/05/18 12:33 PM

So far I have dated 3 different men you claimed to be available and in the end Imfound out that was not the case. It becomes hard to trust anyone.

Then you kinda need to date more.
Not sure if you're solely using the internet, but most dating sites are becoming like local bars full of bar fly's.
With a large population of people just nomading it to the next new app/website to avoid the reputations and habits they established on the old ones, or to just add the new app/site among the many they participate.

You dated 3 different men who turned out bad.
I've online dated dozens of women who were pretty much the same.

"Oh, my profile said I had no kids? Yeahhhh...I got 4."

"Oh, my profile says single? Yeahhh...I kinda possibly broke up with my ex 2 days ago. Hold on, I'm getting an IM from him now. Uh, gotta go..do..uh..laundry. TTYL."

"Oh, my profile says divorced/single? Yeahhhh...I'm kinda separated. Although my soon to be ex husband still lives in the house, so we can share expenses. Yeah, we still share a bed, we're married, he's my husband? So?"

"Oh. BTW, I live with my ex husband, and my most recent ex also rents a room from us."

"Hey, I'm not pushing away you kissing me due to lack of interest. I just have a boyfriend/husband. Yeah. I just miss the romance and fun of going out. You can still take me out and pay for everything, but we just can't do the physical. You're okay with that, right? You said you were looking for a connection and not just sex! You're just like every other guy, it's all about sex! Rarrr!"

"We've been dating 2 months now, so I told my FWB it's over. Oh, I didn't tell you my 'just friend' was my FWB? Well, now you know I'm serious."

"So what I only call you for sex, late at night? I'm working all the time and my husband(/girlfriend, had a lesbian do this to me once) is always trying to find me....Oh, I didn't tell you I was married? Ooops, yeah, I got tired of the dating stuff, and I was almost caught by a friend with you, so I've kinda only been calling when I could get away. But we have fun, right? Isn't this the type of relationship all guys want?"

"So we've been on a few dates/dating a while. I wanted to ask, how do you feel about open relationships? Like open marriages? ...Oh...you aren't into that? That's cool...BTW, I want you to meet my husband, I think you two would get along..."

But I've also dated dozens of normal, focused, sane, honest women too.

It becomes hard to trust anyone.

Then don't.
Nothing says you have to immediately completely absolutely trust someone because you've decided to date them.

Might as well say "it becomes hard to accept a job" because during the first interview they didn't automatically give you 20 years of training and experience.

Like most things based on the emotional, levels of trust are grown like different types of ivy that intertwine, more than they're given or earned.

I have a hard time understanding why happily married men can cheat and feel no guilt.

Ultimately, it's pretty simple.
Sex, procreation, and family have been separated.

Sex can be seen as purely recreational.
"I'm not emotionally cheating on you by going golfing. Sure I like to get out with the guys, we talk about our lives and wives, therapize, bond, but it's not emotional cheating. It's just hitting some balls, getting some exercise, being among friends, so what if it's everyday! It's just golf! A hobby!"

The whole "yeah, baby, we connect on so many levels, we're both looking for a relationship, we both want the same things, we have so much in common, yadda yadda yadda," the ritual, the game of picking someone up for dating/sex is little different than the TOS agreement you click on when starting a profile on a dating site.

It's become something you have to get through to get to the "good stuff" and fulfill what you want, and is only relevant when it becomes relevant, it doesn't affect future planning.

IMO it's inherent to society anymore.
Did you fill out the census questionnaire?
Do you have one of those saver cards from the grocery store?
Did you sit down, fill it out, make sure your handwriting is neat, make sure the information was accurate, memorize the fine print, send emails or letters or call the corporate office for clarification on exactly what it says and get something in writing according to what they tell you are their intentions with the information you provided to them?
Or did you just start using it and say "yay! A dollar off my doritos!" (or whatever product).

Sex as a recreational, emotionally and physically fulfilling activity is approached the same way, by more and more people if not everyone.
Put themselves in the mental and emotional mindset to perform the ritual that must be performed, do it by rote, get to the good stuff.

Relationships and marriage are not a magic solution of controlling individuals against fulfilling their perceived needs.
If they experience any consequences to any particular method of fulfillment, they seek alternatives to fulfillment. Not for a means of staying unfulfilled.



People can feel no guilt for cheating because they have been trained not to associate guilt with trying to fulfill immediately any perceived need they may have that ultimately leads to their mental, physical, and/or emotional pleasure which induces "happiness."

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markc48

Tue 06/05/18 05:44 PM

Well I am not in a relationship.
So I'm not cheating.
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QTPie09876

Tue 06/05/18 10:12 PM


just like to point out cheating is not confined to men, I have experienced the female side of this


My brother's last girlfriend for example!
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johnjaany

Wed 06/06/18 01:15 PM

Hi
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greeneyes148

Wed 06/06/18 01:33 PM

Goes both ways. Many times when I hear that a guy I know was cheating on his wife.. he was cheating with a married woman. Or she was single but knew he was married.

That some how gets pushed aside and he becomes the sole villain.

takes 2 to tangle.
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Serchin4MyRedWine

Wed 06/06/18 01:49 PM


.
I have a hard time understanding why happily married men can cheat and feel no guilt. Not only should they feel guilty about cheating on their wives and lying but they should also feel guilty about lying to the new women and leading her on, making her believe that he is available. I the end he will just break her heart. Shameful!


I'm not sure a "happily" married man would cheat. Unhappy and discontented yes but also goes for women and wives too.
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greeneyes148

Wed 06/06/18 01:57 PM

I know a gal, professional, educated and single who not only goes out with married men.. but seeks them.

I asked her once.. why?.. her reply.. because they are safe

Don't really know what that means, but that was her response.
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eric22t

Wed 06/06/18 01:59 PM


I know a gal, professional, educated and single who not only goes out with married men.. but seeks them.

I asked her once.. why?.. her reply.. because they are safe

Don't really know what that means, but that was her response.

she gets what she wants and they don't become attached?
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SparklingCrystal 💖💎

Wed 06/06/18 02:06 PM



I know a gal, professional, educated and single who not only goes out with married men.. but seeks them.

I asked her once.. why?.. her reply.. because they are safe

Don't really know what that means, but that was her response.

she gets what she wants and they don't become attached?

Exactly. Not rocket science to work that one out, lol. It's what many men who don't want to commit do as well: Go for women of whom they know/sense they aren't available for a relationship.
The world would be so much easier if people like that would just hook up together :)
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eric22t

Wed 06/06/18 05:59 PM




I know a gal, professional, educated and single who not only goes out with married men.. but seeks them.

I asked her once.. why?.. her reply.. because they are safe

Don't really know what that means, but that was her response.

she gets what she wants and they don't become attached?

Exactly. Not rocket science to work that one out, lol. It's what many men who don't want to commit do as well: Go for women of whom they know/sense they aren't available for a relationship.
The world would be so much easier if people like that would just hook up together :)

think maybe we could get them to wear signs. then they could find each other easierbigsmile
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bajatangi

Tue 06/12/18 05:13 AM

I am ready