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Topic: Trump ends Obama seperation policy!
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eric22t

Sat 06/23/18 05:44 PM

yes they have as i cited above
and here is yet another link with more from those who actually crafted it.
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/issues/anchor_babies_unconstitutionality.html
Edited by eric22t on Sat 06/23/18 05:57 PM
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msharmony

Sat 06/23/18 05:45 PM





I explain that we are no longer in FDR years

And all I needed for my childrens passports were their birth certificate and their parents signature.




because of changes in the Immigration act aka Hart Cellar act in 1965


good for them, times change, as do laws,


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eric22t

Sat 06/23/18 05:56 PM

hart cellar makes no mention of birthright citizenship or birthright visas
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diserli_gears

Sat 06/23/18 05:56 PM


hart cellar makes no mention of birthright citizenship or birthright visas

just changes to the immigration laws,passports and language used.
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eric22t

Sat 06/23/18 05:59 PM

yep predominantly it was quota restrictions and adjustments
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diserli_gears

Sat 06/23/18 06:01 PM


yep predominantly it was quota restrictions and adjustments



and why people today particularly on the left believes as long as you are born in America that is all that matters

And that to me is wrong.
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eric22t

Sat 06/23/18 06:30 PM



then i suggest you actually read the whole body of their statments your self and see that the context matches the most blatant i have quoted and not your imagined interpretations

here is the link again



its quite all right. Im sure there were plenty of varying opinions from even the framers .. but the court is there to interpret it and they have ..



actually there was one recurring opinion and again the supreme court has interpreted it at least 3 times as NOT meaning simple birth on us soil granting citizenship
Edited by eric22t on Sat 06/23/18 06:30 PM
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eric22t

Sat 06/23/18 06:38 PM



. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship.


Your senators didn't have the authority to rule on the meaning or intent of the 14th Amendment. Only the Supreme Court has such authority, and it has not yet agreed with you on this.

That's why we have the mess we have here, and so far, no major party has backed the needed Constitutional Amendment to resolve the issues.

actually igor those senators did have the authority while they were creating it and voting it and then ratifying it
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msharmony

Sun 06/24/18 12:43 AM




then i suggest you actually read the whole body of their statments your self and see that the context matches the most blatant i have quoted and not your imagined interpretations

here is the link again



its quite all right. Im sure there were plenty of varying opinions from even the framers .. but the court is there to interpret it and they have ..



actually there was one recurring opinion and again the supreme court has interpreted it at least 3 times as NOT meaning simple birth on us soil granting citizenship



which supreme court decision was the latest (and most relevant) one ?
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Lpdon

Sun 06/24/18 02:19 AM


Well his DAD 'probably' was ... so guilt by association maybe?







So you attack Trump but fail to mention prominent Democrats who were high up in the Klan like the person who was fourth in line to the Presidency when Obama was President, Robert Byrd the original Klansman and a truly evil SOB.
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Lpdon

Sun 06/24/18 02:20 AM



then i suggest you actually read the whole body of their statments your self and see that the context matches the most blatant i have quoted and not your imagined interpretations

here is the link again



What you're not getting, is that EVERYONE is "subject to the jurisdiction of".

Don't believe me? Try going to Saudi Arabia and getting drunk.

Before they chop your head off, or give 90 lashes, say "You can't do this! I'm an American, I'm "subject to the jurisdiction of" American laws. See how that works for you.

If you're in the US, you're subject to the jurisdiction of" US law. If you're in France, you're subject to the jurisdiction of" French law.

See how that works?


Exactly, and in the US being illegal is illegal.
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msharmony

Sun 06/24/18 02:28 AM



Well his DAD 'probably' was ... so guilt by association maybe?







So you attack Trump but fail to mention prominent Democrats who were high up in the Klan like the person who was fourth in line to the Presidency when Obama was President, Robert Byrd the original Klansman and a truly evil SOB.



I didnt attack him. I answered a direct question about him, by cutting and pasting an actual news article ... big difference.
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Workin4it

Sun 06/24/18 06:24 AM




Interesting. So you are accusing Workin4it of being a Letist?

I think he may be a bit surprised at your judgment about him.


I did not accuse Workin4it of being a leftist, if I did I would say so

I said its no different than any other Leftist threads, as in leftists that post things they believe whole heartily like anything anti Trump.


NO IM NOT A LEFTIST. I was making a point that Obama did the same as going on now, I have seen scenes from 2014 of the migrant kids in those cages, with bags over there heads[ I haven't seen that with the trump administration] but my point is it's a tuff situation because we need to have control of how many people come in to this country illegally . Why do you democrats deny this. I'm not the only person to see these images and no way in hell you can condem trump and excuse Obama for doing the same thing. If this is your way of being fair minded than you deserve to lose again in 2018, and 2020. If you don't see it coming then you are living in a alternate universe and need to have a dr. Check you for dementia.
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eric22t

Sun 06/24/18 06:27 AM





then i suggest you actually read the whole body of their statments your self and see that the context matches the most blatant i have quoted and not your imagined interpretations

here is the link again



its quite all right. Im sure there were plenty of varying opinions from even the framers .. but the court is there to interpret it and they have ..



actually there was one recurring opinion and again the supreme court has interpreted it at least 3 times as NOT meaning simple birth on us soil granting citizenship



which supreme court decision was the latest (and most relevant) one ?

already answered here in this very thread with quotes from and links to sources,twice and willfully ignored by you
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Workin4it

Sun 06/24/18 07:16 AM



Well his DAD 'probably' was ... so guilt by association maybe?







So you attack Trump but fail to mention prominent Democrats who were high up in the Klan like the person who was fourth in line to the Presidency when Obama was President, Robert Byrd the original Klansman and a truly evil SOB.

the democrats don't give a damn about thier own party members being klansmen or cop killers or baby killers, they are the worst part of this great country, they are the excrement you try to scrape off your shoes before you go in the house. From the self absorbed morons in hollywierd advocating child abuse to presidential assignation . Do you really think these type of attacks will win you votes. If so then please keep up your lies and baseless attacks. In the meantime ESAD.
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msharmony

Sun 06/24/18 07:20 AM





Interesting. So you are accusing Workin4it of being a Letist?

I think he may be a bit surprised at your judgment about him.


I did not accuse Workin4it of being a leftist, if I did I would say so

I said its no different than any other Leftist threads, as in leftists that post things they believe whole heartily like anything anti Trump.


NO IM NOT A LEFTIST. I was making a point that Obama did the same as going on now, I have seen scenes from 2014 of the migrant kids in those cages, with bags over there heads[ I haven't seen that with the trump administration] but my point is it's a tuff situation because we need to have control of how many people come in to this country illegally . Why do you democrats deny this. I'm not the only person to see these images and no way in hell you can condem trump and excuse Obama for doing the same thing. If this is your way of being fair minded than you deserve to lose again in 2018, and 2020. If you don't see it coming then you are living in a alternate universe and need to have a dr. Check you for dementia.


this is your difference:


The call was largely to defend the administration's decision to charge every adult caught crossing the border illegally with federal crimes, as opposed to referring those with children mainly to immigration courts, as previous administrations did.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics/dhs-family-separation-numbers/index.html

It all began with a new Trump administration policy, enacted in mid-April, to refer every person caught crossing the border illegally for federal prosecution, including those who arrive with children. The change reflected a more aggressive stance than previous administrations ever took and meant children would be taken away -- and put in federal shelters or foster care around the country -- as their parents' criminal cases progressed.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/22/politics/immigration-separation-week-that-was/index.html



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msharmony

Sun 06/24/18 07:22 AM




And how exactly is Trump a klansman ?..


I love how people ask questions in these threads and then play victims because you answer what they asked....

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msharmony

Sun 06/24/18 07:24 AM




Well his DAD 'probably' was ... so guilt by association maybe?







So you attack Trump but fail to mention prominent Democrats who were high up in the Klan like the person who was fourth in line to the Presidency when Obama was President, Robert Byrd the original Klansman and a truly evil SOB.

the democrats don't give a damn about thier own party members being klansmen or cop killers or baby killers, they are the worst part of this great country, they are the excrement you try to scrape off your shoes before you go in the house. From the self absorbed morons in hollywierd advocating child abuse to presidential assignation . Do you really think these type of attacks will win you votes. If so then please keep up your lies and baseless attacks. In the meantime ESAD.


well attacks were a pretty good tactic of success in the last election ... but I also think they are tacky and a sign of decreasing intellect and increasing narcissism

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IgorFrankensteen

Sun 06/24/18 07:34 AM

Too many people repeat the same egregious error: thinking that pointing out the failures of the OTHER GUYS, makes the failure of YOUR guys, okay, or even laudable.

No matter how many democrats you can list who committed this or that crime or bad behavior, it will never change the fact that when a Republican does the same thing, that it's entirely despicable, AND it's entirely the responsibility of that Republican. And vice versa, of course.

Personally, I want leaders who BEHAVE THEMSELVES, and who do the jobs they were elected to do. And I will vote to throw them out, when they screw it up, no matter how many people they point to who are just as bad.

That's a game that parents wont tolerate in a FOUR year old wayward child, no reason to tolerate it in a grownup in a position of power.
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msharmony

Sun 06/24/18 07:36 AM


Too many people repeat the same egregious error: thinking that pointing out the failures of the OTHER GUYS, makes the failure of YOUR guys, okay, or even laudable.

No matter how many democrats you can list who committed this or that crime or bad behavior, it will never change the fact that when a Republican does the same thing, that it's entirely despicable, AND it's entirely the responsibility of that Republican. And vice versa, of course.

Personally, I want leaders who BEHAVE THEMSELVES, and who do the jobs they were elected to do. And I will vote to throw them out, when they screw it up, no matter how many people they point to who are just as bad.

That's a game that parents wont tolerate in a FOUR year old wayward child, no reason to tolerate it in a grownup in a position of power.



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