And again you side step the point made so I will make it very very simple to understand

MS. If the 20 illegal criminals mentioned above were not in the country would the criminal acts, including murder, shootings, and stabbings ever have taken place

that I would think is a simple yes or no answer.

no. its not simple. because criminals can strike anyone. Just because one criminal doesn commit a crime, doesnt mean another would not. If unavailable working parents werent letting media raise their kids, they would not be there committing those school shootings. But WHAT IFS are not the way the system is meant to work. its meant to prosecute those who break the law, according to the severity of the crime.

Well now we know you broke the law..so here is the permission to continue doing so..what?.. ..Well than why don't we just run an open border no matter where they come from..as long as everyone promises to be productive ..we're golden..Of course one could look at Germany France or Sweden to understand why it isn't a good idea..I wonder what they think about their open borders.One could research it..best to learn from others mistakes than make them yourself..

THOUSANDS of American CITIZENS are victims of horrendous crimes by ILLEGAL immigrants EVERY year. Rapes, Murders and maimed by DUI's and other crimes. The point is not how many Citizens commit these crimes,the point is we have enough crime by our own citizens, why add all these extra crimes on our citizens by illegals?

nice strawman argument, so because some American scum rape makes its comparable to illegals who rape?

Citizens who are caught raping are prosecuted too, take a look at the sex offender registry for proof.

Here is the reality, the average undocumented immigrant rarely commits heinous crimes because of fear of deportation, but they have committed a crime because they've entered in the United States Illegally. that is a crime.

The criminal element of undocumented immigrants commits the majority of heinous crimes and most of them hail from either Mexico, Guatemala and El Salvador

I also see where Trump got his numbers and why he pointed out Mexico

see the GAO report below

https://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf

( go page 9 and read Figure 2: Country of Citizenship for Criminal
Aliens Incarcerated in Federal Prisons as of December 2010 )

and page 20 shows the crimes they are arrested for see Figure 9: Percentage of Criminal Aliens Arrested At Least Once by Offense
Category

the highest % offense? Immigration, sexual assault 12%, Drugs 48%
fraud, forgery and counterfeiting 21%( including Welfare fraud)

That report breaks down the four main states that houses illegals, California, Texas, New York and Arizona pages 28 to 33. notice the crimes they are convicted for

just in-case some of you leftist/democrats are too lazy to read the whole thing, I highlighted the important parts for you.

Just pointing out the facts for you.

No, you are completely ignoring what I pointed out altogether.

Go back and actually read, please.

This thread is based on the idea that the reason we need to make illegal aliens a top priority concern, is because BEING ILLEGALS, is what caused these horrendous crimes to be committed.

I support all laws being enforced, including those against foreigners overstaying their welcome here. What I am opposed to, is flat out defective reasoning, such as this thread is based on.

2)comparing crimes done my Illegals to Natural citizens is intellectually dishonest, because you cant deport a natural citizen but you can deport someone in America who entered illegally, that was my point.
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Great Britain did.

Ever heard of Australia?

Great Britain did.

Ever heard of Australia?

So you concede, that under certain conditions, nativeborn citizens can be deported?

Well thanks. But until those conditions exists in the United States, it's probably a good idea to leave the nativeborn (a.k.a. "anchor babies") and their caregivers alone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of such States, except it may be that children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments, are native-born citizens of the United States.

Words mean things.

And to deport the caregiver (a.k.a. parent) of a nativeborn citizen, is akin to government sanctioned child abandonment.

Oh wait, Donnie is...

Nevermind.

Who pays for it now?

Maybe it will be paid for by people NOT sitting in cages. How much does it cost watch the cages? Feed the cages? And it's doubleed bcause American citizens are sitting in kiddie cages. At the very least the cost would be cut in half by doing away with the kiddie cages.