The cops don't play that game here, you are right, you go at them and you will pay the price for that decision. And you go at them with a weapon in your hands and they WILL shoot you. Everyone knows that.. so .. don't do that.

With 8 million people to protect,they leave the cookies and milk talks to the social workers.

why is cookies and milk even a part of this discussion ..lol

has anyone suggested that cops carry or pass out cookies and milk?

Cops should not be above the law, however hard their job is. If they take a life in something other than SELF DEFENSE or in response to a visible threatening weapon, they should be held accountable to it, and they should be held accountable for excessive force, roughing someone up for a mere push, for example. If it wouldnt fly as defense for a civilian, it shouldnt fly for them.

Hmm.. you have strong views.

Have you ever joined a protest, like BLM or and other one? Or volunteers with any of those groups in organizing... anything?. As a few posters have asked you.

Oh, no.. that's right.. you have no time................

well I hate to break it to you since we are talking about America, every state has laws on their books prohibiting civilians assaulting police aka "peace officers"

In some states its a felony, so whether one pushes,smacks, slaps, hits, kicks, elbows, tosses a beating, shoots, stabs, blow up their car with them in it, its a big no no.

That is the law.

We have something similar here in Canada as I suspect most advanced societies.

Not someplace I can take my child, who is always with me if Im not 'at work' somewhere. I do volunteer at soup kitchens with her though, and also at pet shelters.

Why do you ask? Is protest participation a prerequisite for having opinions?

Not someplace I can take my child, who is always with me if Im not 'at work' somewhere. I do volunteer at soup kitchens with her though, and also at pet shelters.

Why do you ask? Is protest participation a prerequisite for having opinions?

Im aware of the laws. My opinion stands. Excessive force laws should stand, if it doesnt fly as a reasonable defense for a civilian, it also should not for a cop.


If a civilian merely pushes me, and I proceed to beat them black and blue with a group of my friends, that will not be grounds to claim 'self defense'.

cops should uphold the law, not be above it.

Because there are specific laws that protects police officers.

A civilian isn't a peace officer they are not paid to protect the community.

Same thing with judges and other government officials you cannot lay a hand on them without suffering some serious jail time.

a civilian smacking another civilian doesn't warrant the same punishment as the aforementioned.

And your child is how old?. I was under the impression they were older.. as in stay at home without Mom, older.

Anyway, I just thought that someone who showed such deep rooted "opinions" on what she thought as injustices would actually... do something about it.

Guess I was wrong.

I've posted before that I've applied for assistance and was turned down. I took a job working fast food to keep food on the table till I could find better. I've posted before that my son has applied for help when he was having seizures so hard his arms were popping out of place. He was denied also. Both our incomes were $0 when we applied. It's like Trump says. The people who truly need help can't get it. The people who qualify are the generational welfare queens because they know how to work the system.

okay. Im fine with jail time if someone has committed an act of aggression. Arrest them, take them in, let the judge/jury decide.

Im disputing the issue of obsessive force, or instead of/in addition to jail, the cop taking leeway to 'rough' someone up with their friends.

The judge may have a harsher penalty for 'assault' of a cop, but that doesnt mean the COP gets to 'rough' anyone up.

You mean excessive force not obsessive force.

And police who uses excessive force not warranted faces disciplinary actions.

Look how many have been fired after the investigation, I know people like you will say look at those under investigation who are on paid administration leave.

And I blame that on collective bargaining through the Unions and associations

I know you will keep going back to the 17 year old kid shot by police while running as excessive force, maybe it is maybe it isnt.

I know you've said why didn't he give chase, why didn't he do this, do that blah blah blah compared to the Cops in Racine County who defused the situation without lethal force.

And the answer is simple , Racine County doesn't have the same crime as Pittsburgh does .

I gave you a stat where it showed 114 people killed in Pittsburgh and 94 of them were black people, compared to 6 people killed in Racine County and none of them black.

stats dont lie.

yes,those officers DID handle the situation correctly,and ethically,instead of using deadly force when it was not absolutely necessary,and we do not usually hear of those situations,because the officers did their job propery,so we DIDNT NEED to be made aware of it.

and,just as with the people who perform just about EVERY OTHER job,the people who THOSE jobs do not regularly receive public accolades for doing their job correctly...
THEIR accolades come in the form a a PAYCHECK.

BUT,as for all the OTHER incidents,when the officers DID NOT handle the situation correctly,WE DO need to hear about EVERY ONE of them,so that we can stand up and object,and make sure that those officers who are NOT doing their job correctly,and putting memebers of the public at risk of bodily injury,and even death will be held accountable,and be removed from a position that has so much potential for causing such great harm if they are not fit to hold it.

because,as the old saying goes...just ONE bad apple can spoil a whole barrel!!
EXCEPT,what is at risk in THIS situation is a WHOLE LOT MORE SERIOUS than just a spoiled barrel of apples...
it is the risk of serious bodily injury,death,and a lack of respect for ALL of the people who do such an important job,which can be infinitely more dangerous than a few isolated acts of unecessary deadly force.

No. My daughter just got done with fifth grade. I do not leave her alone except to run to the corner store. And yeah, if you thought 'doing something about it' meant things that require me to leave my daughter on her own ... or seek out places to go and 'protest',,,, you were wrong.

Im curious how many others with 'strong' opinions (as if there are any other type here) you have asked what they 'do' about the things they have opinions on?

have you asked what welfare gripers are DOING to help people in need or to change the policies and programs?

I might have missed it ....

No. My daughter just got done with fifth grade. I do not leave her alone except to run to the corner store. And yeah, if you thought 'doing something about it' meant things that require me to leave my daughter on her own ... or seek out places to go and 'protest',,,, you were wrong.

I do use the one constitutional resource that doesnt require me to put myself or my child in harms way and has just as much impact as any other resource ... My VOTE.

Im curious how many others with 'strong' opinions (as if there are any other type here) you have asked what they 'do' about the things they have opinions on?

have you asked what welfare gripers are DOING to help people in need or to change the policies and programs?

I might have missed it ....

I've made sure I'm registered to vote. I'll be voting republican in November. That is the best way to make a change. I've worked ot to keep my family taken care of. I've raised productive members of society. I help my kids financially, when the system they are paying into, turns them away.

Yeah.. I know what us " grippers" are doing. We are voting Rep. because we are tired of giving our hard earned money to career welfare recipients. I am not talking about people who are going thru a rough patch.. they deserve it. I am talking about people who set out.. to go on welfare.. like their Mom before them.. and their grandmother before her

Then on welfare.. have more kids.

Forget about the " baby daddies" they get of scot free... don't they MS

They need to help themselves.. and for Gods sake us a condom. I for one am tired of paying for the financial upbringing of kids because some "Baby Daddy" didn't spent $0.50 on a friggin rubber.

So spare me the tear faced " we need to help them" B.S.

Police are not above the law and, in some ways, courts should be more heavy handed with them that Joe citizen.

My only concern is at times they have "seconds" to respond or die. Like I posted earlier, in most communities once an officer shoots (possibly kills) someone they are placed on paid leave pending an investigation.

Even if there are witnesses and the body cam video family members claim "my Johnny isn't like that" and claim the officer over reacted.

We had a case like this last December (2017) in Elkhart Indiana. Some guy shot an individual at a party. Two officers just happened to be a block away. They drove up and stopped at blocking the alley in order to walk to the house and stop any traffic. This guy in his car shot once at the two officers and tried to run them over with his car (This is all on body cam). One Officer shot the individual and killed him. The family sued the city for wrongful death even though the video proved what happened and party goers testified that the officer shot in self defense.

Even then the officer was on paid leave until, both, an internal investigation and a grand jury cleared him. During that time he spent time seeing a counselor because it bothered him that he took someones life, though in self defense. I would never want to be any kind of police officer knowing I could be killed and/or I might have to take someones life.