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Argo

Sun 07/15/18 11:27 PM

fascists align themselves with those not in power to
rally them against the establishment.. no matter who the
two sides are, fascists create distrust, disillusionment and
division between the right and the left...

like a good salesman who wedges his foot in the door, the
fascist will gain entry into the process... once he is in
then you will begin to see changes made to the system, things
like president for life, no need for courts and judges, ignore
calls for due process, equal treatment under the law and
freedom of the press....

once placed in power the fascist will turn on those who got
them elected if necessary, if they even hint at not complying
with their rulings...their iron fists will come down hard at
any who oppose them...torture, jail even death.

Dictator, Authoritarian, Autocrat, Oligarch, Despot, Tyrant
and yes, Fascist....all one in the same, call him what you will.

Trump the salesman, already has his foot in the door, he has
already made blatant references to those changes i have listed
above and he isn't joking about it...he isn't a conservative or
a liberal, he is an absolutist who desires absolute power.

Trump has garnered enough support from people, who fear his
imaginary bogeymen, to get himself elected in a democracy
governed by rule of law...if left unchecked he will proceed
to slowly tear that democracy down bit by bit...when his
ascension is complete, only then will the people realize for
themselves who the real bogeyman is...

this is my opinion, copied & pasted from my brain only..

i am not interested any right or wrong critique..it is
offered to those who read it for whatever value they deem
it to contain...

Viper1j

Mon 07/16/18 03:32 AM

Comparing what Trump said to what Hitler and the Nazi’s did, what the Klan did, the Hutus of Rwanda did is not only intellectually dishonest but it shows he really suffers from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome).

Did the Nazis use the same language? What was the effect? Did the Klan? Did the Hutus?

Every effective genocidal propagandist intuitively knows about the insula -- get things to the point where invoking "Them" activates the insula in your followers and you'll have people goose-stepping in no time.

Did Donny say it or not? If he said it, the effect on Trumpanzees will be the same.

His words are not accidental.

Edited by Viper1j on Mon 07/16/18 03:36 AM

greeneyes148

Mon 07/16/18 04:23 AM

No, Brain Trust, What I care about, is an entire section of the country's infrastructure collapsing. Or did you not read the Forbes article?

I see, well I am sure your nuclear bomb shelter in your back yard is now filled with Birds- Eye frozen vegetables.. so you are ready for the vegetable collapse

No, like your Lord and Savior, I make enough so that I won't even notice. But unlike Donnie, I actually care about the others around me.

Well, aren't you the compassionate one. So, you told everyone you are a business owner. So, tell us.. how many ILLEGAL ALIENS that you are defending so vigorously do you employ

Hmmm....

IgorFrankensteen

Mon 07/16/18 04:39 AM

All I can say is, having ACTUALLY studied history, instead of delving into it piecemeal as you folks are doing, is that this recent fad by the right
to delude themselves into pretending to believe that Hitler was a left wing radical, is downright pitiful.

You know, you DO have the option to declare that you ALSO find Hitler and the Nazis disgusting. No need to pretend that they were leftists, just because some few people who you think of as leftist, say that you are similar to the Nazis.

Viper1j

Mon 07/16/18 05:23 AM

Well, aren't you the compassionate one. So, you told everyone you are a business owner. So, tell us.. how many ILLEGAL ALIENS that you are defending so vigorously do you employ
Hmmm....

I have not the slightest idea.

I don't care what my techs do, or where they're from, as long as they can do the work. I'm assuming they're mostly Americans, since they're mostly white. Although one could be an illegal, she speaks fluent Russian.

Edited by Viper1j on Mon 07/16/18 05:25 AM

greeneyes148

Mon 07/16/18 07:50 AM

Well, aren't you the compassionate one. So, you told everyone you are a business owner. So, tell us.. how many ILLEGAL ALIENS that you are defending so vigorously do you employ
Hmmm....

you haven't the slightest idea? You pay them.. don't you? you take out deductions.. don't you?.. healthcare, unemployment.. social security. FEDERAL TAX..

Or do you just pay your workers under the table.. and bypass all that other garbage that we have to pick up........

All you want is the cheap labor, Viper... you could care less about anything or anyone else.

You are assuming they are all Americans?.. do you pay them thru a slot in a wood window?.. you don't even know your own techs? or if they are even Americans?

You run a tight ship there Viper.. Lol

chairman_z

Mon 07/16/18 07:57 AM

The reality is, there isn’t a universally accepted definition of Fascism but we can agree on is Fascism is nationalistic, it’s very anti-western democracy, anti-Marxist, anti-liberty, anti-individualism and to a degree anti- capitalism, all opposite of right wing ideology.

Fascism is a political ideology that advocates nationalism and authoritarianism and it’s also very complex, there are different forms of fascism as the world seen with Italy, Nazi Germany, Spain and Pre World War 2 Japan and other countries.

We can agree that Fascism advocates for a one party state with an authoritative ruler.

I don't see Trump advocating for a one party state.

I don't see him trying to usurp Congress , he knows Congress has the power and he has the Pen.

I see him trying to make America great again, but he hasn't said "only white americans"be great.

I don't see him locking up all Immigrants that entered America legally.

So he called MS 13 gang members animals and they infest society, so what?
Should he be more diplomatic like his predecessor?

The housing of Illegals caught is unfortunate but where do you put them?

If you have any suggestions please share them with us.

Viper1j

Mon 07/16/18 08:01 AM

Well, aren't you the compassionate one. So, you told everyone you are a business owner. So, tell us.. how many ILLEGAL ALIENS that you are defending so vigorously do you employ
Hmmm....

"Independent Contractor".. Google is your friend. Yes I pay them, and at the end of the year, they get 1099s not W2s.

And no, I don't dig into their family histories, or require DNA samples.

Edited by Viper1j on Mon 07/16/18 08:03 AM

greeneyes148

Mon 07/16/18 09:59 AM

Well, aren't you the compassionate one. So, you told everyone you are a business owner. So, tell us.. how many ILLEGAL ALIENS that you are defending so vigorously do you employ
Hmmm....

"Independent Contractor".. Google is your friend. Yes I pay them, and at the end of the year, they get 1099s not W2s.

And no, I don't dig into their family histories, or require DNA samples.

I don't have to google it Viper. I am a contractor. I own construction company too.

And I do not employ ILLEGAL ALIENS. And I do not hire subs that use ILLEGAL ALIENS... WHY?... because I do not want people I know NOTHING about in the workplaces or homes of my customers.... that's why.

It is MY NAME on that contract. It is MY REPUTATION.

What you do is pay your subs thru a 1099 and you could care less who they employ as long as you get your price. You know full well that in order to get you the price you want, your subs use Mexicans.. undocumented ILLEGAL Aliens. I see it every day.. Viper.. every single day.

So you are part of the problem, Viper.. YOU. Because again, all you want is a good price.. and you know full well how to get that.. and you do. Then you claim " not to know"

hypocrite

Viper1j

Mon 07/16/18 11:49 AM

Hypocrite? Really?

I didn't go into business to LOSE money, did you?

At least I pay my people.. Don't you wish Donny could say the same?

https://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/jose-lambiet/article81648707.html

Trump lawyers ask to postpone foreclosure sale of Doral resort

(Actually, some begging was involved..)

Lawyers for Trump National Doral Miami last week asked Miami-Dade County Circuit Court Judge Jorge Cueto to put on hold the forced foreclosure sale of the resort scheduled for June 28, according to court records.

The company that owns presidential candidate Donald Trump’s golf retreat is accused of blowing off $34,863.92 in invoices from paint supplier The Paint Spot for nearly two years. The company has been trying to collect with a lien it slapped on the property that hosts golf’s famous Blue Monster course.

Citing the possibility that Trump’s company thought it had paid enough for paint used in the resort’s extensive renovation, never mind its $200,000-contract with the vendor, Cueto filed paperwork to hold an auction for the property on the proverbial courthouse steps.

So, why are the lawyers asking for a reprieve from the auction?

Mostly because they filed their intent to appeal the judge’s decision to start foreclosure proceedings.

“And we bonded the judgment, meaning that the money is in an account for the vendor,” said Alan Garten, attorney for the Republican front-runner for the White House. “Trust me, there’ll be no sale.”

Wouldn’t it be better if billionaire Trump, who bought the resort in 2012 for $150 million, just paid the Paint Spot and leave it at that?

“Well, I don’t want to comment on that,” Garten said.

On Wednesday, it was announced that the resort lost its PGA tournament, the Cadillac Championship, to Mexico City.

Edited by Viper1j on Mon 07/16/18 11:50 AM

mightymoe

Mon 07/16/18 12:08 PM

blah, blah, blah...cite a source...

greeneyes148

Mon 07/16/18 03:11 PM

Don't spin it to Trump.. I am talking about .. you

And I don't lose money on my jobs, I am sure I don't make as much as you per line item, but then again I don't put people of unknown backgrounds in the businesses and homes of my customers.. you do.

You have your pricing program set on national cost averages or regional averages ( which is NOT based on illegal workers cost per hours). You do your proposals based on that number ( National / regional), you get the job then low ball your subs on the price which they can do only by using illegals at a much lower cost.

You then pocket the difference... above your profit.

Sound about right Viper

So again.. you are part of the problem.

There are no drug dealers , murders, rapists, gangbangers on my jobs... can you say the same? Do you know what their background is?.

I do have Latin Americans working on some crews.. Vetted and legal. And they get paid what the other workers get paid... per trade.

A concept foreign to you.

Viper1j

Mon 07/16/18 03:23 PM

There are no drug dealers , murders, rapists, gangbangers on my jobs... can you say the same?

Yep. I have a computer company. My techs are Network Analysts. Most people with IT backgrounds don't do drugs, murder or rape.

TOTALLY different fields, TOTALLY different pool of employees.

My people wouldn't be caught dead on a construction site. Even the Russian chick..

And if you really want to talk about hypocrisy, why don't you ask Donnie why he's ripping newborns off the nipples of their mothers in public, while secretly filing paperwork for 150 undocumented immigrants to mop his floors, and make his beds in his Florida hotels.

If he really wants to prove that he's against "chain migration", he can start by deporting Malaria's parents

Edited by Viper1j on Mon 07/16/18 03:28 PM

greeneyes148

Mon 07/16/18 03:35 PM

There are no drug dealers , murders, rapists, gangbangers on my jobs... can you say the same?

Even the Russian chick..
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You are a class act, Viper...........................

When you have no valid response, no valid come back, when you are called out.. you revert to ridicules statements and wordage.

yep.... a class act indeed.

Viper1j

Mon 07/16/18 05:02 PM

So I hired a Russian chick, you have a problem with that?

Afraid her "papers" are not in order?

Too bad.

Viper1j

Mon 07/16/18 05:03 PM

.AND I still have no drug dealers , murders, rapists, gangbangers on my jobs

Edited by Viper1j on Mon 07/16/18 05:03 PM

greeneyes148

Mon 07/16/18 05:28 PM

So I hired a Russian chick, you have a problem with that?

Afraid her "papers" are not in order?

Too bad.

No I have a problem with the way you address people in general.. you have no class.. and it shows.

Viper1j

Tue 07/17/18 03:40 AM

I still do it better than Donnie.

But I'll concede that that is a fairly low bar.

greeneyes148

Tue 07/17/18 04:01 AM

I still do it better than Donnie.

But I'll concede that that is a fairly low bar.

Your words paint a different picture.

But anyway, I'm done with you as I am sure others will be as well leaving you to fester in your own loneliness and hatred.

Frankly, your not worth the key strokes.