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msharmony

Thu 07/19/18 09:17 AM

I am calling 'president' donald trump 'treasonous' because he is attempting to protect a foreign power who has technically commited an act of war against his own country,instead of doing his job and making sure that they are held accountable for it,and making sure that it doesn't happen again.

it is HIS JOB to take the side of the united states,and defend this country against ALL ENEMIES,BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC!!

so,technically,i believe that what he has done/is doing DOES qualify as 'treason',cuz if a SOLDIER did what he is doing,then they would DEFINITELY be charged with treason under the Uniform Code of Military Justice,and,technically,he IS a member of he military,since he is the 'commander-in-chief' of it,so THAT is the code of rules that he must follow,not JUST the constitution!
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"UCMJ Article 104: Aiding the Enemy "

" A service member of the United States armed forces who supplies aid to an enemy of the state in the form of arms, ammunition, supplies, money or intelligence; or any service member who knowingly protects or communicates with the enemy may be charged under Article 104 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Article 104 is considered an act of treason by the United States government. And like all acts of treason, the penalties are severe. "
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there it is in black&white...
[if you don't believe me,look it up yourself!!]

article 104 0f the uniform code of military justice,which as commander-in-chief,'president' trump falls under it rule...

and he is knowingly protecting Vladimir putin/russia,so....

I believe that what Donald trump has done qualifies as TREASON,no matter how badly his supporters try to deny it!!

too bad that he was elected 'president',and is 'commander-in-chief of the entire U.S. military,or else he would just be an ordinary citizen and wouldn't be subject to be tried under the rules of the UCMJ.

but,he is,so...

technically,he IS a traitor!

can you show me a when we declared a act of war with Russia, I don't think you know what your talking about aay! And I guess when Obama said to medevev to wait till after his re-election that he'd have more flexibility ! Treasonous, Treasonous. And Traitor Hillary giving the same guy American innovation , remember that stupid reset button, that was American made reset button. Treasonous ,Treasonous. Lol give me a break. But Obama likes traitors remember the trade for a traitor bergdaw

Politicians DO have more flexibility after they have been elected. That is simply fact. No mention of what he would do, so its not close to treason.

Workin4it

Thu 07/19/18 09:27 AM

Politicians DO have more flexibility after they have been elected. That is simply fact. No mention of what he would do, so its not close to treason.

yea, I know that, I was using sarcasm to make my point, and what Trump did was not even close to treason. In the first place how can he be an enemy if not at war. So I guess talking to China's leader would be treasonOr Assad or Kim Jung . What are you guys smoking in your liberal fan club?

msharmony

Thu 07/19/18 09:39 AM

The thinking is that times are changing and the Constitution should be applied to MODERN life.

I am interested where the Constitution defines what 'enemy' means, because I missed it somehow.

but in the CYBER age, that could also be expanded in some thinking to include a government that is trying to purposely engage in attacking our 'democratic' election process

it isnt written in stone or even in the constitution that this would make an enemy, nothing is, and the Founders had no knowledge of the future to understand all the ways such an 'attack' could happen

I have no horse in the game. I feel treason and impeachment are not defined well enough in the constitution and are just vague enough to be used far too often by people during political discussions about those politicians they do not support. I understand the points of view though.

chairman_z

Thu 07/19/18 10:02 AM

Its funny how people cite Russia's involved in the 2016 Election is a horrible case of misjustice when America is guilty of doing the same thing.

From your beloved Obama the great interference in the Israeli election in 2016 trying to oust Benjamin Netanyahu, CLinton interfered and supported Shimon Perez against Benjamin Netanyahu in 1996

It seems the Democrats don't like Netanyahu for some reason.

Nixon in 1970 interfered in Chile's election

Eisenhower in 1953 in Iran

Nicolas Sarkozy then French president in 2007 financially backed Libyan strongman Gaddafi, interfering in their elections.

Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan interfered in German election in 2017 as he tried to get Merkel ousted, in Germany there are 4 million Turkish people , not including refugees.

The list goes on and on. Most countries are guilty of this act.

I would say this to the left, stop being so hypocritical or naive, they say those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

msharmony

Thu 07/19/18 10:05 AM

nothing new under the sun, but we also should take concern with making things BETTER no matter how long they have been accepted as less than that ...

and I would say to the entire American population, regardless of political affiliation to practice less hypocrisy, be less naive, and dont throw the stones, but maybe be concerned with the windows busted from their neighbors home and offer up some solutions and progress ...

shovelheaddave

Thu 07/19/18 01:20 PM

we ARE offering up solutions,but until you get the weasel OUT of the henhouse,it doesnt matter,because the weasel will CONTINUE to be a weasel in a henhouse,and keep killing your chickens.

mightymoe

Thu 07/19/18 01:38 PM

we ARE offering up solutions,but until you get the weasel OUT of the henhouse,it doesnt matter,because the weasel will CONTINUE to be a weasel in a henhouse,and keep killing your chickens.

offering solutions? To what? Where? The only solutions I see being offered is impeachment... So please, do tell me what solutions your offering?

chairman_z

Thu 07/19/18 01:48 PM

we ARE offering up solutions,but until you get the weasel OUT of the henhouse,it doesnt matter,because the weasel will CONTINUE to be a weasel in a henhouse,and keep killing your chickens. shovelhead dave

You are offering solutions? okay I will bite what solutions are you offering Mr Shovelhead dave?

How is having a democratic elected president removed from office the answer?

And who do want to take his place? Pence, the speaker of the house Ryan?
Or maybe Hillary?

shovelheaddave

Thu 07/19/18 09:40 PM

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT when people desperately try to change the subject!!!!

it is a sure sign that they KNOW that they have already LOST THE DEBATE!!!
laugh

but,why dont you talk to robert mueller....
maybe HE will be able to explain the rules of presidential succession to you.

[but,personally,i bet that HE isnt going to waste any of his time trying to have an intelligent conversation with someone who is so ashamed of their political views that they are too embarrassed to even post a photo so they can own them,either!!]

laugh

Edited by shovelheaddave on Thu 07/19/18 10:03 PM

shovelheaddave

Thu 07/19/18 10:12 PM

we ARE offering up solutions,but until you get the weasel OUT of the henhouse,it doesnt matter,because the weasel will CONTINUE to be a weasel in a henhouse,and keep killing your chickens.

offering solutions? To what? Where? The only solutions I see being offered is impeachment... So please, do tell me what solutions your offering?

well,there ARE rules in place to deal with situations like these!!

but,from what i seem to recall from my time in the service,i think that the punishment for 'treason' is A LITTLE MORE severe than JUST impeachment!!
[just google julius and ethel rosenberg!!]
laugh

[but,hey....ha has RUDY GUILIANI as his attorney...
i am SURE that someone who keeps sticking his foot in his mouth and contradicting the established story every time he opens his mouth will be up to the task of defending donald trump,wont he??]

IgorFrankensteen

Fri 07/20/18 04:39 AM

No jobs have been created? Wow you are on the leftist coolaid. Atl is having problems with transit because so many people are coming because of work. Open your eyes and stop watching fake news.

Please go back and read what I ACTUALLY wrote, and respond to that, instead of making up something else, and then insulting me for what you IMAGINED.

I did not say that no jobs have been "created."

I'm not the one watching and believing "fake news."

mightymoe

Fri 07/20/18 05:58 AM

we ARE offering up solutions,but until you get the weasel OUT of the henhouse,it doesnt matter,because the weasel will CONTINUE to be a weasel in a henhouse,and keep killing your chickens.

offering solutions? To what? Where? The only solutions I see being offered is impeachment... So please, do tell me what solutions your offering?

you people really do live in a fantasy world...

chairman_z

Fri 07/20/18 06:44 AM

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT when people desperately try to change the subject!!!!

it is a sure sign that they KNOW that they have already LOST THE DEBATE!!!
laugh

shovelhead dave

So you have no answer and deflection was your only option.... got it now Shovelhead dave.

Ive never seen a leftist, democrat, marxist, socialist or communist that wants to debate anything.

By the way I dont know if you are familiar with history but you leftist and your tactics will guarantee that Trump will be re elected in 2020

you democrats did the same thing to Reagan in 1984 and it backfired, you tried it with Bush 43 in 2004 and of course the right didn't learn and try to do that with Obama in 2012.

so I say keep up the good work Leftists/liberals you pretty much sealed your fate.

How is that for deflecting Mr.Shovelhead dave?

Edited by chairman_z on Fri 07/20/18 07:04 AM

greeneyes148

Fri 07/20/18 06:57 AM

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT when people desperately try to change the subject!!!!

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No you absolutely hate it when people are talking about things other then Trump bashing, your posts have proven this.

i.e. demanding that people stay on topic. Ordering them too.. exclamation points and all.. Lol...what a joke

And you can't stand it when you don't get your own way.. right.. Dave ;)

shovelheaddave

Fri 07/20/18 07:42 AM

we ARE offering up solutions,but until you get the weasel OUT of the henhouse,it doesnt matter,because the weasel will CONTINUE to be a weasel in a henhouse,and keep killing your chickens.

offering solutions? To what? Where? The only solutions I see being offered is impeachment... So please, do tell me what solutions your offering?

you people really do live in a fantasy world...

at least WE didn't vote for a con man who turned out to be a traitor!!
laugh

Edited by shovelheaddave on Fri 07/20/18 07:42 AM

Easttowest72

Fri 07/20/18 07:58 AM

Liberalism is a mental disorder. I was watching a comedy last night. It was making fun of liberals. It had one guy who had spent a little time in prison (21 years). He said he made one mistake and paid dearly for it. Than he said he made that one mistake 14 times.

mightymoe

Fri 07/20/18 08:02 AM

we ARE offering up solutions,but until you get the weasel OUT of the henhouse,it doesnt matter,because the weasel will CONTINUE to be a weasel in a henhouse,and keep killing your chickens.

offering solutions? To what? Where? The only solutions I see being offered is impeachment... So please, do tell me what solutions your offering?

you people really do live in a fantasy world...

at least WE didn't vote for a con man who turned out to be a traitor!!
laugh

you liberals memory ain't so good...you forgot about Obama already? The biggest liar ever? He did more treasonous acts than any other president...

chairman_z

Fri 07/20/18 08:21 AM

Im still waiting for someone from the left to explain to us why is it treasonous for Trump to meet with Putin?

And since we are talking about treason ,why isn't the former President Obama indicted for treason for releasing all those terrorists during his time in office.

Where is the consistency?

We get it that you hate Trump, and quite honestly we don't care about your feelings but explain why the double standards?

tombraider

Fri 07/20/18 08:32 AM

you see this is the freedom that people are having a problem finding..thinking for themselves..We grow up believing in certain things like the news tells the facts or the pope's not a pedophile and the boogie man only exist in books..but the boogie men are real..at least for those little children who came in contact with Epstein and his cult..and you will hear of these things..But on the surface a game of smoke and mirrors to keep the audience amused..not so deep so quick..there has to be a hole we can direct the rabbit to go..to divert the masses..Trump is a colluder..Trump is a traitor..assemble the masses and break down the border..dissention and discord must be brought into play..

(DS) We must not let these secrets get out..what we do with the children,what we do with their money..what we will do to them..A war a war to divert..so they die we have plenty...Tell them lies little MOCKINGBIRD until all the lies become their truths..the matrix created...(Q) FOLLOW.. the rabbit ..down.... deeper into the darker bloodier tunnels leading to the Gates of Hell and those who believe..in Satan..his minions and the Evil Queen... there you will find the lost children..

There is a lot more than that.. which meets the eyes..tick..tock...

Edited by tombraider on Fri 07/20/18 08:34 AM

msharmony

Fri 07/20/18 08:38 AM

22 US Code 1732

Whenever it is made known to the President that any citizen of the United States has been unjustly deprived of his liberty by or under the authority of any foreign government, it shall be the duty of the President forthwith to demand of that government the reasons of such imprisonment; and if it appears to be wrongful and in violation of the rights of American citizenship, the President shall forthwith demand the release of such citizen, and if the release so demanded is unreasonably delayed or refused, the President shall use such means, not amounting to acts of war and not otherwise prohibited by law, as he may think necessary and proper to obtain or effectuate the release; and all the facts and proceedings relative thereto shall as soon as practicable be communicated by the President to Congress.

going on live TV however, to basically undercut our intelligence agencies in support of an entity they have found guilty of election interference ... is not really one that is clearly defined and COULD be interpreted as treasonous

as explained earlier ...

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