I could have sworn we just agreed that it's not meant to be lived on...

We did. and Most people cant and dont, which is why I disagree with the sentiment that further reduction or micro management of such people is necessary or called for.

We did. and Most people cant and dont, which is why I disagree with the sentiment that further reduction or micro management of such people is necessary or called for.

huh ..I guess I'm lost on WTH we're arguing about...

no argument with you specifically at all, actually ...

lol...now we can argue about arguing...

I think you're absolutely right you're wise beyond your years it's America you can do whatever the f*** you want to do long as you work hard for it you're not hurting anybody it's a free country

I can't remember the exact quote, but comedian Craig Furguson has it right when he says "I've found that most Americans don't give a ___ what you do, just so long as you stay the ___ off their lawn".

I know everyone doesn't have family but most do. The 19 year olds that I worked with at Honda were living with grandma for free. They spent their checks at the club and hotel. Babies had Medicaid and other assistance. One in her 20's lived off section 8. Two out of 3 got pregnant again. All quit their jobs. 2 for pregnancy and the other let her car get repoed. (It got trashed in the ghetto. Her words, not mine).

What about the ones who are on welfare and then have more kids.. while on welfare

they have no control over that?... why?

what about them? Sure. It is not responsible WHILE one is on assistance to grow one's family. Im sure irresponsible people come in all financial walks of life.

It's time we stop rewarding irresponsibility.

now we have to define irresponsibility???

Having more children while on welfare, not being married when getting pregnant, not knowing who the dad is, not being able to hold down a job, not buying necessities before wants, etc.

I have a friend who grew up on welfare. His mom never worked, never married. She had 7 kids by different men. In his late 20's he found out who he thought was dad, wasn't. He said he would work 16 hours a day to keep his family off welfare. He has his own home today. Somehow he knew what his mother did was a shameful thing. Most people raised that way don't think it's a problem.

you should get a fuller life and associate with different people, you may be surprised at the rule versus the exceptions....


but anyway, the welfare of our childhood is no more and MOST people in america, regardless of finances are not having seven children. ITs crazy to me that MORE people arent messed up by impoverished childhoods. They dont make that choice as kids. and regardless of finances, being a whore of the male or female variety, (building families you dont intend to care for) is a shame. However, more often than not, I believe most people dont remain forever in whatever situation they were in at the moment of conception of a child and cannot predict when ups and downs will happen in the future.

The responsibility of a child belongs to the parents. It's crazy to force others to care for kids the parents don't even want.

I associate with lots of different types of people. It isn't the working and responsible people we are talking about. Most of them rely on family when things get tough. Even if they go on assistance, they aren't on it long. Then they are back to work paying into the system.

It's the parasites on society that are the problem. They can easily be identified through welfare data. That's where cuts need to be made.

the responsibility of being a UNITED STATES belongs to its citizens contribution to the WELFARE of those STATES and their citizens. WE do not live in a vaccuum. Because the economy is not set up for everyone to have a job with income, that means there needs to be a fund for the WELFARE of those caught in times of financial hardship who still need food and shelter for their children. Being working and responsible has nothing to do with relying on family. Family also needs to have enough individually to provide the gaps, and when something like 80 percent of ALL americans living check to check, that is not a reality.

it is one thing to allow family to come sleep under your roof, another entirely to have the extra to feed extra mouths or buy the extra toiletries, etc ,,,,

Most are not on assistance long.

Cuts were already made on 'parasites' since the average food stamp alotment is about 1.40 per person per meal, and cash benefits have labor requirements attached.

Section 8 needs to be done away with. Food stamps need to be replaced with canned vegetables, beans and rice. Dad's need to be held responsible for medical care. If mom doesn't know who the dad is or having baby #2 on welfare, she needs to get her tubes tied if she wants tax payer help. This would cut out a lot of the abuse. If she can't have more illegitimate kids, she can't further her welfare career. The existing kids will age and take away her excuse to sit home. A bus to work can be funded with what was section 8 and eic.

nope. I dont want total monopoly of rent and housing given only to those who profit most. Kids dont need to be homeless just cause people want to make more profit in ADDITION to housing they already have. I also dont see poor people having to restrict kids to only canned vegetables, beans and rice just so those who are doing well can feel they are suffering sufficiently. Kids shouldnt suffer because of mom or dads choice of partner, so restricting assistance on relationship choices is also unethical. I doubt numbers pan out that women are having more babies just to get that whopping extra 1.50 per person per meal or hundred or two dollars a month for 160 hours of work related activity. Welfare is not a career. A bus to work doesnt help if the work doesnt cover childcare and work attire and pay enough to also cover housing and food.


It is usually only the ones talking about what they 'heard' and who have never went through the process or on the programs that complain the most about things they have limited experience with.