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mightymoe

Sat 08/11/18 09:29 AM



Seeing children in harms way is terrible, it is heart wrenching and it should never be and people should do all can to assist that child.

But I have to question the people who bring a child into the world knowing those circumstances are in store for the child. Do they not put that child in harms way.. from day one?

They are not responsible for their actions as everyone everyone else?


And many times, we the public are left picking up the pieces for their life choices.

Again, I love children.. all children I would never hold them responsible for what others did. But at some point you have to turn to the source and they need to be held responsible.

'held responsible'...interesting.
They love their children.
They did not abort their children.
They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
They struggle with every aspect of 'needs' already. Some of them can handle the amazing level of stress the system puts on them just to get benefits to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for their children. Some give up and wind up addicted to something.

Those children in harms way, ....grow up. What do you think happens to them? Do they know how to live, when all around them people tell them they are chit for needing assistance because they saw/assumed they saw someone cheat the system.
What do you think that does to them and their motivation?
They are all going to find a way to survive.
Some will have someone in their life that says, "I believe in you, and this is what you can do", Some will find people who say, "You cant trust anyone in this world, so 'take' before someone takes from you."
Which statement would be more believable to those children with parents who cant be around because they are spending all their time in lines for assistance and working 3 jobs? ...or losing assistance so they wouldnt lose one of those jobs, to wait in line.

"Lets just get rid of all assistance then?"

Isnt that the same as gun control issues? If guns get into the hands of people who behave badly, should we get rid of all guns?

The fact is that people who get assistance generally NEED it and dont abuse the system.
The fact is that people who own guns generally are RESPONSIBLE with their use and dont abuse that responsibility.

Neither of your facts are actually facts...if the majority of gun owners were responsible, then guns wouldn't be in less desirable hands ... Same with your welfare fact... The more you give someone, the more they want and expect it, demand it...welfare was never designed for a long term use.
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greeneyes148

Sat 08/11/18 09:31 AM



Seeing children in harms way is terrible, it is heart wrenching and it should never be and people should do all can to assist that child.

But I have to question the people who bring a child into the world knowing those circumstances are in store for the child. Do they not put that child in harms way.. from day one?

They are not responsible for their actions as everyone everyone else?


And many times, we the public are left picking up the pieces for their life choices.

Again, I love children.. all children I would never hold them responsible for what others did. But at some point you have to turn to the source and they need to be held responsible.

'held responsible'...interesting.
They love their children.
They did not abort their children.
They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
They struggle with every aspect of 'needs' already. Some of them can handle the amazing level of stress the system puts on them just to get benefits to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for their children. Some give up and wind up addicted to something.

Those children in harms way, ....grow up. What do you think happens to them? Do they know how to live, when all around them people tell them they are chit for needing assistance because they saw/assumed they saw someone cheat the system.
What do you think that does to them and their motivation?
They are all going to find a way to survive.
Some will have someone in their life that says, "I believe in you, and this is what you can do", Some will find people who say, "You cant trust anyone in this world, so 'take' before someone takes from you."
Which statement would be more believable to those children with parents who cant be around because they are spending all their time in lines for assistance and working 3 jobs? ...or losing assistance so they wouldnt lose one of those jobs, to wait in line.

"Lets just get rid of all assistance then?"

Isnt that the same as gun control issues? If guns get into the hands of people who behave badly, should we get rid of all guns?

The fact is that people who get assistance generally NEED it and dont abuse the system.
The fact is that people who own guns generally are RESPONSIBLE with their use and dont abuse that responsibility.




Don't know how guns got in here but anyway

They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
_____________________________________________________________________

Nobody knows when someone will die.

But take a look at the stats of single parent blacks. 74% of black woman with children are single parents... 3 out of 4. Then take a look at the age of when those children were conceived. Many are just kids themselves when they are in fact having kids. And then take a look at how many more kids they had while on welfare.

So, the argument of they didn't know their partner would leave or be in jail is a bit hard to believe when all they have to do is look around.

A more realistic approach would have been.. condoms.

Again, I don't blame kids, but I do blame the mother and especially the sperm donor "baby daddy"
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msharmony

Sat 08/11/18 09:39 AM




Seeing children in harms way is terrible, it is heart wrenching and it should never be and people should do all can to assist that child.

But I have to question the people who bring a child into the world knowing those circumstances are in store for the child. Do they not put that child in harms way.. from day one?

They are not responsible for their actions as everyone everyone else?


And many times, we the public are left picking up the pieces for their life choices.

Again, I love children.. all children I would never hold them responsible for what others did. But at some point you have to turn to the source and they need to be held responsible.

'held responsible'...interesting.
They love their children.
They did not abort their children.
They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
They struggle with every aspect of 'needs' already. Some of them can handle the amazing level of stress the system puts on them just to get benefits to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for their children. Some give up and wind up addicted to something.

Those children in harms way, ....grow up. What do you think happens to them? Do they know how to live, when all around them people tell them they are chit for needing assistance because they saw/assumed they saw someone cheat the system.
What do you think that does to them and their motivation?
They are all going to find a way to survive.
Some will have someone in their life that says, "I believe in you, and this is what you can do", Some will find people who say, "You cant trust anyone in this world, so 'take' before someone takes from you."
Which statement would be more believable to those children with parents who cant be around because they are spending all their time in lines for assistance and working 3 jobs? ...or losing assistance so they wouldnt lose one of those jobs, to wait in line.

"Lets just get rid of all assistance then?"

Isnt that the same as gun control issues? If guns get into the hands of people who behave badly, should we get rid of all guns?

The fact is that people who get assistance generally NEED it and dont abuse the system.
The fact is that people who own guns generally are RESPONSIBLE with their use and dont abuse that responsibility.


Neither of your facts are actually facts...if the majority of gun owners were responsible, then guns wouldn't be in less desirable hands ... Same with your welfare fact... The more you give someone, the more they want and expect it, demand it...welfare was never designed for a long term use.


so you dont think most gun owners are responsible? I would not have guessed that. So do you think both GUNS and welfare should be taken away?


If you have not been on welfare, I dont think you can speak to what people who have 'want' or dont want. I was once on it. I didnt 'want' the micro management of my life, the lack of choice in decent places and safe places for my kids, the inability to afford more than the minimum in groceries ... if they were truly 'give mes' meaning in ADDITION to something already there, I could agree, but they are only substitutes for what is truly needed, and most people are not choosing a substitute over a need.


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msharmony

Sat 08/11/18 10:00 AM




Seeing children in harms way is terrible, it is heart wrenching and it should never be and people should do all can to assist that child.

But I have to question the people who bring a child into the world knowing those circumstances are in store for the child. Do they not put that child in harms way.. from day one?

They are not responsible for their actions as everyone everyone else?


And many times, we the public are left picking up the pieces for their life choices.

Again, I love children.. all children I would never hold them responsible for what others did. But at some point you have to turn to the source and they need to be held responsible.

'held responsible'...interesting.
They love their children.
They did not abort their children.
They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
They struggle with every aspect of 'needs' already. Some of them can handle the amazing level of stress the system puts on them just to get benefits to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for their children. Some give up and wind up addicted to something.

Those children in harms way, ....grow up. What do you think happens to them? Do they know how to live, when all around them people tell them they are chit for needing assistance because they saw/assumed they saw someone cheat the system.
What do you think that does to them and their motivation?
They are all going to find a way to survive.
Some will have someone in their life that says, "I believe in you, and this is what you can do", Some will find people who say, "You cant trust anyone in this world, so 'take' before someone takes from you."
Which statement would be more believable to those children with parents who cant be around because they are spending all their time in lines for assistance and working 3 jobs? ...or losing assistance so they wouldnt lose one of those jobs, to wait in line.

"Lets just get rid of all assistance then?"

Isnt that the same as gun control issues? If guns get into the hands of people who behave badly, should we get rid of all guns?

The fact is that people who get assistance generally NEED it and dont abuse the system.
The fact is that people who own guns generally are RESPONSIBLE with their use and dont abuse that responsibility.




Don't know how guns got in here but anyway

They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
_____________________________________________________________________

Nobody knows when someone will die.

But take a look at the stats of single parent blacks. 74% of black woman with children are single parents... 3 out of 4. Then take a look at the age of when those children were conceived. Many are just kids themselves when they are in fact having kids. And then take a look at how many more kids they had while on welfare.

So, the argument of they didn't know their partner would leave or be in jail is a bit hard to believe when all they have to do is look around.

A more realistic approach would have been.. condoms.

Again, I don't blame kids, but I do blame the mother and especially the sperm donor "baby daddy"


lets do the math, there are approximately 16 million black males in the usa

there are 2 million people in prison, if blacks are roughly half of them that means 1 million in prison that means 8 out of 9 are NOT in prison. and the reasons men LEAVE is a list much longer than incarceration, so how does a black woman KNOW a man may leave or go to prison? since we are highlighting that demographic ONCE AGAIN. Because men leave (in all races) means women should all use condoms and not have any kids? Not to mention that many people take care of their kids regardless of a marriage certificate so wed or unwed has little to do with being around or being a parent.

I think the onus is instead on the man, dont you? because it is he who decides to stay or leave (wedding ring or not) and he knows whether or not he made a child.
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msharmony

Sat 08/11/18 10:02 AM





Seeing children in harms way is terrible, it is heart wrenching and it should never be and people should do all can to assist that child.

But I have to question the people who bring a child into the world knowing those circumstances are in store for the child. Do they not put that child in harms way.. from day one?

They are not responsible for their actions as everyone everyone else?


And many times, we the public are left picking up the pieces for their life choices.

Again, I love children.. all children I would never hold them responsible for what others did. But at some point you have to turn to the source and they need to be held responsible.

'held responsible'...interesting.
They love their children.
They did not abort their children.
They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
They struggle with every aspect of 'needs' already. Some of them can handle the amazing level of stress the system puts on them just to get benefits to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for their children. Some give up and wind up addicted to something.

Those children in harms way, ....grow up. What do you think happens to them? Do they know how to live, when all around them people tell them they are chit for needing assistance because they saw/assumed they saw someone cheat the system.
What do you think that does to them and their motivation?
They are all going to find a way to survive.
Some will have someone in their life that says, "I believe in you, and this is what you can do", Some will find people who say, "You cant trust anyone in this world, so 'take' before someone takes from you."
Which statement would be more believable to those children with parents who cant be around because they are spending all their time in lines for assistance and working 3 jobs? ...or losing assistance so they wouldnt lose one of those jobs, to wait in line.

"Lets just get rid of all assistance then?"

Isnt that the same as gun control issues? If guns get into the hands of people who behave badly, should we get rid of all guns?

The fact is that people who get assistance generally NEED it and dont abuse the system.
The fact is that people who own guns generally are RESPONSIBLE with their use and dont abuse that responsibility.


Neither of your facts are actually facts...if the majority of gun owners were responsible, then guns wouldn't be in less desirable hands ... Same with your welfare fact... The more you give someone, the more they want and expect it, demand it...welfare was never designed for a long term use.
wrong:
While critics still like to use old arguments of rampant abuse to lambast a program that feeds millions of Americans, the fraud rate has decreased from “about 4 cents on the dollar in 1993 to about 1 cent” by 2006.

And this decline has only continued, with the 3.5% rate of fraud in 2012 reducing to less than 1.5% today.
http://time.com/4711668/history-food-stamp-fraud/


and the african american birthrate amongst teen has been the fastest declining, if I may add here.

along with the fact that married black women have begun having fewer kids stemming a larger PERCENTAGE of kids being born to unmarried black women, not because of any moral failings of unmarried black women having more kids ...


just for those interested in the black population ...

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Easttowest72

Sat 08/11/18 10:10 AM





Seeing children in harms way is terrible, it is heart wrenching and it should never be and people should do all can to assist that child.

But I have to question the people who bring a child into the world knowing those circumstances are in store for the child. Do they not put that child in harms way.. from day one?

They are not responsible for their actions as everyone everyone else?


And many times, we the public are left picking up the pieces for their life choices.

Again, I love children.. all children I would never hold them responsible for what others did. But at some point you have to turn to the source and they need to be held responsible.

'held responsible'...interesting.
They love their children.
They did not abort their children.
They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
They struggle with every aspect of 'needs' already. Some of them can handle the amazing level of stress the system puts on them just to get benefits to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for their children. Some give up and wind up addicted to something.

Those children in harms way, ....grow up. What do you think happens to them? Do they know how to live, when all around them people tell them they are chit for needing assistance because they saw/assumed they saw someone cheat the system.
What do you think that does to them and their motivation?
They are all going to find a way to survive.
Some will have someone in their life that says, "I believe in you, and this is what you can do", Some will find people who say, "You cant trust anyone in this world, so 'take' before someone takes from you."
Which statement would be more believable to those children with parents who cant be around because they are spending all their time in lines for assistance and working 3 jobs? ...or losing assistance so they wouldnt lose one of those jobs, to wait in line.

"Lets just get rid of all assistance then?"

Isnt that the same as gun control issues? If guns get into the hands of people who behave badly, should we get rid of all guns?

The fact is that people who get assistance generally NEED it and dont abuse the system.
The fact is that people who own guns generally are RESPONSIBLE with their use and dont abuse that responsibility.




Don't know how guns got in here but anyway

They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
_____________________________________________________________________

Nobody knows when someone will die.

But take a look at the stats of single parent blacks. 74% of black woman with children are single parents... 3 out of 4. Then take a look at the age of when those children were conceived. Many are just kids themselves when they are in fact having kids. And then take a look at how many more kids they had while on welfare.

So, the argument of they didn't know their partner would leave or be in jail is a bit hard to believe when all they have to do is look around.

A more realistic approach would have been.. condoms.

Again, I don't blame kids, but I do blame the mother and especially the sperm donor "baby daddy"


lets do the math, there are approximately 16 million black males in the usa

there are 2 million people in prison, if blacks are roughly half of them that means 1 million in prison that means 8 out of 9 are NOT in prison. and the reasons men LEAVE is a list much longer than incarceration, so how does a black woman KNOW a man may leave or go to prison? since we are highlighting that demographic ONCE AGAIN. Because men leave (in all races) means women should all use condoms and not have any kids? Not to mention that many people take care of their kids regardless of a marriage certificate so wed or unwed has little to do with being around or being a parent.

I think the onus is instead on the man, dont you? because it is he who decides to stay or leave (wedding ring or not) and he knows whether or not he made a child.



When a woman is married the judge sets child support during the divorce. Let's not pretend being married isn't important when having a child. Plenty of woman know these men will go to prison. It's only a matter of time. They know they are selling drugs etc. But they get pregnant anyway. That's not the tax payers fault. Yes they should use a condom until married or can support a child without help from others.
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greeneyes148

Sat 08/11/18 10:17 AM





Seeing children in harms way is terrible, it is heart wrenching and it should never be and people should do all can to assist that child.

But I have to question the people who bring a child into the world knowing those circumstances are in store for the child. Do they not put that child in harms way.. from day one?

They are not responsible for their actions as everyone everyone else?


And many times, we the public are left picking up the pieces for their life choices.

Again, I love children.. all children I would never hold them responsible for what others did. But at some point you have to turn to the source and they need to be held responsible.

'held responsible'...interesting.
They love their children.
They did not abort their children.
They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
They struggle with every aspect of 'needs' already. Some of them can handle the amazing level of stress the system puts on them just to get benefits to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for their children. Some give up and wind up addicted to something.

Those children in harms way, ....grow up. What do you think happens to them? Do they know how to live, when all around them people tell them they are chit for needing assistance because they saw/assumed they saw someone cheat the system.
What do you think that does to them and their motivation?
They are all going to find a way to survive.
Some will have someone in their life that says, "I believe in you, and this is what you can do", Some will find people who say, "You cant trust anyone in this world, so 'take' before someone takes from you."
Which statement would be more believable to those children with parents who cant be around because they are spending all their time in lines for assistance and working 3 jobs? ...or losing assistance so they wouldnt lose one of those jobs, to wait in line.

"Lets just get rid of all assistance then?"

Isnt that the same as gun control issues? If guns get into the hands of people who behave badly, should we get rid of all guns?

The fact is that people who get assistance generally NEED it and dont abuse the system.
The fact is that people who own guns generally are RESPONSIBLE with their use and dont abuse that responsibility.




Don't know how guns got in here but anyway

They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
_____________________________________________________________________

Nobody knows when someone will die.

But take a look at the stats of single parent blacks. 74% of black woman with children are single parents... 3 out of 4. Then take a look at the age of when those children were conceived. Many are just kids themselves when they are in fact having kids. And then take a look at how many more kids they had while on welfare.

So, the argument of they didn't know their partner would leave or be in jail is a bit hard to believe when all they have to do is look around.

A more realistic approach would have been.. condoms.

Again, I don't blame kids, but I do blame the mother and especially the sperm donor "baby daddy"


lets do the math, there are approximately 16 million black males in the usa

there are 2 million people in prison, if blacks are roughly half of them that means 1 million in prison that means 8 out of 9 are NOT in prison. and the reasons men LEAVE is a list much longer than incarceration, so how does a black woman KNOW a man may leave or go to prison? since we are highlighting that demographic ONCE AGAIN. Because men leave (in all races) means women should all use condoms and not have any kids? Not to mention that many people take care of their kids regardless of a marriage certificate so wed or unwed has little to do with being around or being a parent.

I think the onus is instead on the man, dont you? because it is he who decides to stay or leave (wedding ring or not) and he knows whether or not he made a child.


You calculator means nothing, facts do.

3 out of 4 are single parents. Is that the case in ANY other ethnic group.. any ethnic group at all?

how do you explain that..

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msharmony

Sat 08/11/18 10:23 AM






Seeing children in harms way is terrible, it is heart wrenching and it should never be and people should do all can to assist that child.

But I have to question the people who bring a child into the world knowing those circumstances are in store for the child. Do they not put that child in harms way.. from day one?

They are not responsible for their actions as everyone everyone else?


And many times, we the public are left picking up the pieces for their life choices.

Again, I love children.. all children I would never hold them responsible for what others did. But at some point you have to turn to the source and they need to be held responsible.

'held responsible'...interesting.
They love their children.
They did not abort their children.
They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
They struggle with every aspect of 'needs' already. Some of them can handle the amazing level of stress the system puts on them just to get benefits to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for their children. Some give up and wind up addicted to something.

Those children in harms way, ....grow up. What do you think happens to them? Do they know how to live, when all around them people tell them they are chit for needing assistance because they saw/assumed they saw someone cheat the system.
What do you think that does to them and their motivation?
They are all going to find a way to survive.
Some will have someone in their life that says, "I believe in you, and this is what you can do", Some will find people who say, "You cant trust anyone in this world, so 'take' before someone takes from you."
Which statement would be more believable to those children with parents who cant be around because they are spending all their time in lines for assistance and working 3 jobs? ...or losing assistance so they wouldnt lose one of those jobs, to wait in line.

"Lets just get rid of all assistance then?"

Isnt that the same as gun control issues? If guns get into the hands of people who behave badly, should we get rid of all guns?

The fact is that people who get assistance generally NEED it and dont abuse the system.
The fact is that people who own guns generally are RESPONSIBLE with their use and dont abuse that responsibility.




Don't know how guns got in here but anyway

They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
_____________________________________________________________________

Nobody knows when someone will die.

But take a look at the stats of single parent blacks. 74% of black woman with children are single parents... 3 out of 4. Then take a look at the age of when those children were conceived. Many are just kids themselves when they are in fact having kids. And then take a look at how many more kids they had while on welfare.

So, the argument of they didn't know their partner would leave or be in jail is a bit hard to believe when all they have to do is look around.

A more realistic approach would have been.. condoms.

Again, I don't blame kids, but I do blame the mother and especially the sperm donor "baby daddy"


lets do the math, there are approximately 16 million black males in the usa

there are 2 million people in prison, if blacks are roughly half of them that means 1 million in prison that means 8 out of 9 are NOT in prison. and the reasons men LEAVE is a list much longer than incarceration, so how does a black woman KNOW a man may leave or go to prison? since we are highlighting that demographic ONCE AGAIN. Because men leave (in all races) means women should all use condoms and not have any kids? Not to mention that many people take care of their kids regardless of a marriage certificate so wed or unwed has little to do with being around or being a parent.

I think the onus is instead on the man, dont you? because it is he who decides to stay or leave (wedding ring or not) and he knows whether or not he made a child.



When a woman is married the judge sets child support during the divorce. Let's not pretend being married isn't important when having a child. Plenty of woman know these men will go to prison. It's only a matter of time. They know they are selling drugs etc. But they get pregnant anyway. That's not the tax payers fault. Yes they should use a condom until married or can support a child without help from others.


do you know how many child support cases are pending or how hard it is to get blood from a turnip?

no one said being married is not important. But what is more important is supporting and raising your kid, which is not a guarantee any marriage certificate can provide.

None of these women have crystal balls to 'know' what will happen to themselves or anyone else in their life. no one does.

And yes, of those involved with drug dealers, which I dont imagine are a majority by a long shot, it is irresponsible to bring kids into it. thats the only thing I agree with.

women dont use condoms, MEN DO. If people were waiting until they can self provide for kids, than marriage would not be important, would it? Kind of refutes that whole line of logic.
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msharmony

Sat 08/11/18 10:24 AM





Don't know how guns got in here but anyway

They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
_____________________________________________________________________

Nobody knows when someone will die.

But take a look at the stats of single parent blacks. 74% of black woman with children are single parents... 3 out of 4. Then take a look at the age of when those children were conceived. Many are just kids themselves when they are in fact having kids. And then take a look at how many more kids they had while on welfare.

So, the argument of they didn't know their partner would leave or be in jail is a bit hard to believe when all they have to do is look around.

A more realistic approach would have been.. condoms.

Again, I don't blame kids, but I do blame the mother and especially the sperm donor "baby daddy"


Dont know why race is important here, but the majority of people getting assistance are actually white, so that biznez is uninteresting and kinda offensive to me.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/americans-welfare-perceptions-survey_us_5a7880cde4b0d3df1d13f60b



there is alot of obsession with black people in these thread, the term 'black' or african american has to outnumber mention of 'whites' or caucasians at least 20 to one. Still havent figured out why. But the demographics in the forums may have some correlation.

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msharmony

Sat 08/11/18 10:27 AM






Seeing children in harms way is terrible, it is heart wrenching and it should never be and people should do all can to assist that child.

But I have to question the people who bring a child into the world knowing those circumstances are in store for the child. Do they not put that child in harms way.. from day one?

They are not responsible for their actions as everyone everyone else?


And many times, we the public are left picking up the pieces for their life choices.

Again, I love children.. all children I would never hold them responsible for what others did. But at some point you have to turn to the source and they need to be held responsible.

'held responsible'...interesting.
They love their children.
They did not abort their children.
They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
They struggle with every aspect of 'needs' already. Some of them can handle the amazing level of stress the system puts on them just to get benefits to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for their children. Some give up and wind up addicted to something.

Those children in harms way, ....grow up. What do you think happens to them? Do they know how to live, when all around them people tell them they are chit for needing assistance because they saw/assumed they saw someone cheat the system.
What do you think that does to them and their motivation?
They are all going to find a way to survive.
Some will have someone in their life that says, "I believe in you, and this is what you can do", Some will find people who say, "You cant trust anyone in this world, so 'take' before someone takes from you."
Which statement would be more believable to those children with parents who cant be around because they are spending all their time in lines for assistance and working 3 jobs? ...or losing assistance so they wouldnt lose one of those jobs, to wait in line.

"Lets just get rid of all assistance then?"

Isnt that the same as gun control issues? If guns get into the hands of people who behave badly, should we get rid of all guns?

The fact is that people who get assistance generally NEED it and dont abuse the system.
The fact is that people who own guns generally are RESPONSIBLE with their use and dont abuse that responsibility.




Don't know how guns got in here but anyway

They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
_____________________________________________________________________

Nobody knows when someone will die.

But take a look at the stats of single parent blacks. 74% of black woman with children are single parents... 3 out of 4. Then take a look at the age of when those children were conceived. Many are just kids themselves when they are in fact having kids. And then take a look at how many more kids they had while on welfare.

So, the argument of they didn't know their partner would leave or be in jail is a bit hard to believe when all they have to do is look around.

A more realistic approach would have been.. condoms.

Again, I don't blame kids, but I do blame the mother and especially the sperm donor "baby daddy"


lets do the math, there are approximately 16 million black males in the usa

there are 2 million people in prison, if blacks are roughly half of them that means 1 million in prison that means 8 out of 9 are NOT in prison. and the reasons men LEAVE is a list much longer than incarceration, so how does a black woman KNOW a man may leave or go to prison? since we are highlighting that demographic ONCE AGAIN. Because men leave (in all races) means women should all use condoms and not have any kids? Not to mention that many people take care of their kids regardless of a marriage certificate so wed or unwed has little to do with being around or being a parent.

I think the onus is instead on the man, dont you? because it is he who decides to stay or leave (wedding ring or not) and he knows whether or not he made a child.


You calculator means nothing, facts do.

3 out of 4 are single parents. Is that the case in ANY other ethnic group.. any ethnic group at all?

how do you explain that..





numbers are facts, last I checked....lol

anyway, 3 out of 4 are NOT single parents. The stat is that 3 out of four KIDS are born to someone who is not married. The stat is about the kids, not the parents.

And the explanation is fairly simply that married parents began having fewer kids, and unmarried parents did not likewise go through the same decrease.

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greeneyes148

Sat 08/11/18 10:37 AM





Don't know how guns got in here but anyway

They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
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Nobody knows when someone will die.

But take a look at the stats of single parent blacks. 74% of black woman with children are single parents... 3 out of 4. Then take a look at the age of when those children were conceived. Many are just kids themselves when they are in fact having kids. And then take a look at how many more kids they had while on welfare.

So, the argument of they didn't know their partner would leave or be in jail is a bit hard to believe when all they have to do is look around.

A more realistic approach would have been.. condoms.

Again, I don't blame kids, but I do blame the mother and especially the sperm donor "baby daddy"


Dont know why race is important here, but the majority of people getting assistance are actually white, so that biznez is uninteresting and kinda offensive to me.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/americans-welfare-perceptions-survey_us_5a7880cde4b0d3df1d13f60b


Well, I cant help if someone is offended, but am I saying something that is not true. Or is it just something that the left doesn't like to hear.

And regarding the percentage on welfare I guest that would depend on what source you pulled it from.. right?
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Blacks make up less than 12.6% of the population and are 34% of all recipients. Whites are over 72.4% of the total US population and are 31% of recipients. Hispanics are 16.3% of the general population and in the last decade have gone from 15% to 28% of recipients. Asians are equivalent to Whites. Asians and Whites fare better in ever worsening percentages for all races when looked at in proportion to their representation in the population.

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mightymoe

Sat 08/11/18 10:43 AM





Seeing children in harms way is terrible, it is heart wrenching and it should never be and people should do all can to assist that child.

But I have to question the people who bring a child into the world knowing those circumstances are in store for the child. Do they not put that child in harms way.. from day one?

They are not responsible for their actions as everyone everyone else?


And many times, we the public are left picking up the pieces for their life choices.

Again, I love children.. all children I would never hold them responsible for what others did. But at some point you have to turn to the source and they need to be held responsible.

'held responsible'...interesting.
They love their children.
They did not abort their children.
They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
They struggle with every aspect of 'needs' already. Some of them can handle the amazing level of stress the system puts on them just to get benefits to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for their children. Some give up and wind up addicted to something.

Those children in harms way, ....grow up. What do you think happens to them? Do they know how to live, when all around them people tell them they are chit for needing assistance because they saw/assumed they saw someone cheat the system.
What do you think that does to them and their motivation?
They are all going to find a way to survive.
Some will have someone in their life that says, "I believe in you, and this is what you can do", Some will find people who say, "You cant trust anyone in this world, so 'take' before someone takes from you."
Which statement would be more believable to those children with parents who cant be around because they are spending all their time in lines for assistance and working 3 jobs? ...or losing assistance so they wouldnt lose one of those jobs, to wait in line.

"Lets just get rid of all assistance then?"

Isnt that the same as gun control issues? If guns get into the hands of people who behave badly, should we get rid of all guns?

The fact is that people who get assistance generally NEED it and dont abuse the system.
The fact is that people who own guns generally are RESPONSIBLE with their use and dont abuse that responsibility.


Neither of your facts are actually facts...if the majority of gun owners were responsible, then guns wouldn't be in less desirable hands ... Same with your welfare fact... The more you give someone, the more they want and expect it, demand it...welfare was never designed for a long term use.
wrong:
While critics still like to use old arguments of rampant abuse to lambast a program that feeds millions of Americans, the fraud rate has decreased from “about 4 cents on the dollar in 1993 to about 1 cent” by 2006.

And this decline has only continued, with the 3.5% rate of fraud in 2012 reducing to less than 1.5% today.
http://time.com/4711668/history-food-stamp-fraud/
I see the fraud everyday with the people I work with...every chance they get they try to screw the government more.
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msharmony

Sat 08/11/18 10:46 AM






Don't know how guns got in here but anyway

They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
_____________________________________________________________________

Nobody knows when someone will die.

But take a look at the stats of single parent blacks. 74% of black woman with children are single parents... 3 out of 4. Then take a look at the age of when those children were conceived. Many are just kids themselves when they are in fact having kids. And then take a look at how many more kids they had while on welfare.

So, the argument of they didn't know their partner would leave or be in jail is a bit hard to believe when all they have to do is look around.

A more realistic approach would have been.. condoms.

Again, I don't blame kids, but I do blame the mother and especially the sperm donor "baby daddy"


Dont know why race is important here, but the majority of people getting assistance are actually white, so that biznez is uninteresting and kinda offensive to me.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/americans-welfare-perceptions-survey_us_5a7880cde4b0d3df1d13f60b


Well, I cant help if someone is offended, but am I saying something that is not true. Or is it just something that the left doesn't like to hear.

And regarding the percentage on welfare I guest that would depend on what source you pulled it from.. right?
____________________________________________________________________
Blacks make up less than 12.6% of the population and are 34% of all recipients. Whites are over 72.4% of the total US population and are 31% of recipients. Hispanics are 16.3% of the general population and in the last decade have gone from 15% to 28% of recipients. Asians are equivalent to Whites. Asians and Whites fare better in ever worsening percentages for all races when looked at in proportion to their representation in the population.





whites also have median net worth of $200,000 and blacks about $15,000

people can make their own conclusions of why that is, some will ignore history all together in their conclusions and some will not.

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msharmony

Sat 08/11/18 10:47 AM






Seeing children in harms way is terrible, it is heart wrenching and it should never be and people should do all can to assist that child.

But I have to question the people who bring a child into the world knowing those circumstances are in store for the child. Do they not put that child in harms way.. from day one?

They are not responsible for their actions as everyone everyone else?


And many times, we the public are left picking up the pieces for their life choices.

Again, I love children.. all children I would never hold them responsible for what others did. But at some point you have to turn to the source and they need to be held responsible.

'held responsible'...interesting.
They love their children.
They did not abort their children.
They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
They struggle with every aspect of 'needs' already. Some of them can handle the amazing level of stress the system puts on them just to get benefits to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for their children. Some give up and wind up addicted to something.

Those children in harms way, ....grow up. What do you think happens to them? Do they know how to live, when all around them people tell them they are chit for needing assistance because they saw/assumed they saw someone cheat the system.
What do you think that does to them and their motivation?
They are all going to find a way to survive.
Some will have someone in their life that says, "I believe in you, and this is what you can do", Some will find people who say, "You cant trust anyone in this world, so 'take' before someone takes from you."
Which statement would be more believable to those children with parents who cant be around because they are spending all their time in lines for assistance and working 3 jobs? ...or losing assistance so they wouldnt lose one of those jobs, to wait in line.

"Lets just get rid of all assistance then?"

Isnt that the same as gun control issues? If guns get into the hands of people who behave badly, should we get rid of all guns?

The fact is that people who get assistance generally NEED it and dont abuse the system.
The fact is that people who own guns generally are RESPONSIBLE with their use and dont abuse that responsibility.


Neither of your facts are actually facts...if the majority of gun owners were responsible, then guns wouldn't be in less desirable hands ... Same with your welfare fact... The more you give someone, the more they want and expect it, demand it...welfare was never designed for a long term use.
wrong:
While critics still like to use old arguments of rampant abuse to lambast a program that feeds millions of Americans, the fraud rate has decreased from “about 4 cents on the dollar in 1993 to about 1 cent” by 2006.

And this decline has only continued, with the 3.5% rate of fraud in 2012 reducing to less than 1.5% today.
http://time.com/4711668/history-food-stamp-fraud/
I see the fraud everyday with the people I work with...every chance they get they try to screw the government more.


and I see need everywhere I look, maybe it makes the conservatives 'takers not makers' type rhetoric seem like propoganda to me....


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greeneyes148

Sat 08/11/18 11:28 AM







Don't know how guns got in here but anyway

They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
_____________________________________________________________________

Nobody knows when someone will die.

But take a look at the stats of single parent blacks. 74% of black woman with children are single parents... 3 out of 4. Then take a look at the age of when those children were conceived. Many are just kids themselves when they are in fact having kids. And then take a look at how many more kids they had while on welfare.

So, the argument of they didn't know their partner would leave or be in jail is a bit hard to believe when all they have to do is look around.

A more realistic approach would have been.. condoms.

Again, I don't blame kids, but I do blame the mother and especially the sperm donor "baby daddy"


Dont know why race is important here, but the majority of people getting assistance are actually white, so that biznez is uninteresting and kinda offensive to me.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/americans-welfare-perceptions-survey_us_5a7880cde4b0d3df1d13f60b


Well, I cant help if someone is offended, but am I saying something that is not true. Or is it just something that the left doesn't like to hear.

And regarding the percentage on welfare I guest that would depend on what source you pulled it from.. right?
____________________________________________________________________
Blacks make up less than 12.6% of the population and are 34% of all recipients. Whites are over 72.4% of the total US population and are 31% of recipients. Hispanics are 16.3% of the general population and in the last decade have gone from 15% to 28% of recipients. Asians are equivalent to Whites. Asians and Whites fare better in ever worsening percentages for all races when looked at in proportion to their representation in the population.





whites also have median net worth of $200,000 and blacks about $15,000

people can make their own conclusions of why that is, some will ignore history all together in their conclusions and some will not.




And who's fault is that?.. white people? get up get out and make money the old fashioned way.. earn it!

and what history are you talking about?.. ancient history.. don't tell me the history of almost 200 years ago... please don't go there.

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msharmony

Sat 08/11/18 04:50 PM

history lays the foundation for the present. its easy enough to read all the ways historically that the disparity between black and white was created ...

and not just 200 years ago (slavery), but also in my parent's lifetime and the life times of many people still alive today (jim crow and segregation).
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Easttowest72

Sat 08/11/18 05:39 PM








Don't know how guns got in here but anyway

They didnt know their partner would leave/die/wind up in jail.
_____________________________________________________________________

Nobody knows when someone will die.

But take a look at the stats of single parent blacks. 74% of black woman with children are single parents... 3 out of 4. Then take a look at the age of when those children were conceived. Many are just kids themselves when they are in fact having kids. And then take a look at how many more kids they had while on welfare.

So, the argument of they didn't know their partner would leave or be in jail is a bit hard to believe when all they have to do is look around.

A more realistic approach would have been.. condoms.

Again, I don't blame kids, but I do blame the mother and especially the sperm donor "baby daddy"


Dont know why race is important here, but the majority of people getting assistance are actually white, so that biznez is uninteresting and kinda offensive to me.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/americans-welfare-perceptions-survey_us_5a7880cde4b0d3df1d13f60b


Well, I cant help if someone is offended, but am I saying something that is not true. Or is it just something that the left doesn't like to hear.

And regarding the percentage on welfare I guest that would depend on what source you pulled it from.. right?
____________________________________________________________________
Blacks make up less than 12.6% of the population and are 34% of all recipients. Whites are over 72.4% of the total US population and are 31% of recipients. Hispanics are 16.3% of the general population and in the last decade have gone from 15% to 28% of recipients. Asians are equivalent to Whites. Asians and Whites fare better in ever worsening percentages for all races when looked at in proportion to their representation in the population.





whites also have median net worth of $200,000 and blacks about $15,000

people can make their own conclusions of why that is, some will ignore history all together in their conclusions and some will not.




And who's fault is that?.. white people? get up get out and make money the old fashioned way.. earn it!

and what history are you talking about?.. ancient history.. don't tell me the history of almost 200 years ago... please don't go there.




Owning a home is a great way to build wealth. Some people say they don't want to be bothered. How much someone is worth usually depends on how much they want to work and if they want the inconvenience of investing.
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msharmony

Sat 08/11/18 06:47 PM

sometimes, sometimes owning a home just brings overwhelming debt.

there are no guarantees. The same things dont work for every one.
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Easttowest72

Sat 08/11/18 10:50 PM


sometimes, sometimes owning a home just brings overwhelming debt.

there are no guarantees. The same things dont work for every one.


There are no guarantees about what? I guarantee you will always need a place to live. It's a choice if you want to build your wealth or build a landlord wealth. This is what I mean when I say some people are taught things at home that college doesn't teach.
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msharmony

Sun 08/12/18 12:07 AM



sometimes, sometimes owning a home just brings overwhelming debt.

there are no guarantees. The same things dont work for every one.


There are no guarantees about what? I guarantee you will always need a place to live. It's a choice if you want to build your wealth or build a landlord wealth. This is what I mean when I say some people are taught things at home that college doesn't teach.


there are no guarantees a home will build wealth as opposed to developing huge debt, people still have to have the income coming in to be able to AFFORD the investment they have made and will be stuck with regardless of their income situation, which is also not a guarantee.

Its a choice for me to pay to live someplace ONLY for the time I live and not be indebted to anyone after I have left. This is what I mean when I say some people think their experience is going to be everyone's experience.