One took the day off when the man got parole. The next day he used her car to go visit another woman. The other took the day off and tried to lie but a black man we worked with called her a liar to her face. She admitted she spent the day laying up with the man who just got parole. Yes they said bye when they quit to have their babies. No I don't know how many more they've had since then. Isn't #2 and #3 born out of wedlock but on welfare enough to see a pattern? This is what our govt needs to be addressing. People who breed like dogs and can't be responsible, need their tubes tied.

Really?

The community?

Well guess who is selling the drugs and shooting people in the community....the gang banger baby daddies. The ones who are not in prison that is. And the moms continue to bring children into that world .
They are selling poison to and killing their own. The moms are selling the drugs as well . So let's get off the " Nieve Bambi in the woods" notion

Why do they sell drugs to and kill their own people ?

Money....drug money..that's why.

And these are the ones that you think will take a 9-5 job Lol

You're opening a can of worms if you want the military to play jury/judge/executioner among the public.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/31/chicagos-children-caught-in-crossfire-alarming-number-minors-shot-or-killed-in-violence-plagued-city.html

In 2017 alone, 246 kids under the age of 17 were shot. One of the youngest victims was two-year-old Lavontay White Jr., who was shot dead on Valentine’s Day along with his uncle, Lazaric Collins, 26 in a gang attack. Collins was the intended target.

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So hanging out with Uncle Lazaric got this little kid... killed.

But its not the family members in these areas killing their own...or putting their own in harms way.. its society, right?

So put down the pie chart and spreadsheet and take a look at these kids faces ...its easy to turn a kid into just a number when you are not looking at his face.

they did not deserve to die for their families terrible choices in live.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/31/gianno-caldwell-how-curb-chicago-gun-violence-expansion-personal-responsibility

On "The Ingraham Angle" on Thursday, Caldwell said that while conducting the interviews, he observed a recurring theme -- "a deficit in personal responsibility."

"A lot of parents that left the home who believe that their parents maybe were too harsh on them as they were growing up, they allowed their kids to run free," Caldwell said. "And as a result, we see the bloodshed."




Here ya go, MS.. read it and listen to the words during the interview right out peoples mouths in those areas in Chicago

The lack of personal responsibility

drug dealers are selling drugs, and many are caught in the cross hairs because their finances dont leave them many options to do better (better than to live with or around them).

unfortunately in a society that ASSUMES they are all dealing drugs and being 'baby daddies' there is not much hope that they will not also be treated as suspect with no value or worth as well...


so of THOSE who are stuck in an environment which leads others to make all these BS assumptions about what they are doing, YES, the environment and community (immediate and otherwise) play a part in what these kids see as their reality and chances.

are you implying that the childs mother moved there with an intention to have him killed? because if not, I dont get your point.

the KID was in an environment they did not choose and most likely because their PARENT was not able financially to do better, and just like ten years later some cop or american would might assume this kids life was disposable because of what they ASSUME he is up to or his parents are up to based on nothing but where they live, some gangbanger ASSUMED his life was disposable because of whatever they ASSUME his uncle did to them

All are equally responsible for how disposable this childs life became and how disposable he would have learned it was had he been able to 'grow up' in that same environment. its a cycle. Its a cycle with SOCIETY and their assumptions about the value a child's life should have and the communities and families that adopt that same reality.

no doubt. There are parents in all communities who are not teaching their kids that. not debatable really.


whats debatable are the differences in how that will manifest being correlated to the environment in which the child lives ...

Lets Stay focused on the Chicago area and the unbelievable crime rate in the 4 thug infested areas not " all communities"

One of the topics hit on in the interview was the fact that there is literally no business in these areas. with the exception of liquor stores

And until the area is cleared of the thugs, who think they own the streets no business will set up in there. For safety and liability reasons. Nobody ( of any color) is going to travel in there every day and risk getting shot.. nobody. And the residents are the ones doing the crimes and killing

Tell me the truth, if your son was to come to you tomorrow and tell you he took a job in one of these 4 areas.. what would your response be.

too late for that. your 'who is doing it' question broadened it to a discussion about an entire race of people, unless you want to remove that part from the topic ...

You can defend them till doomsday because of the color of their skin, but you can not deny the fact that it is them doing this to their own.. on a epic scale

no denying that.

and you can make it about the color of their skin all you want ... obviously, its not my site.




meanwhile, regarding Chicago


it is a cycle, places with the most CONCENTRATED poverty have the least hope and the most desperation and the most violent crime. And with that kind of crime the poverty continues, and with that continued poverty, the crime continues ... and so on and so on and so on.

I think the place to start is with the families of the youngest, getting them out of concentrated poverty before the next generation is initiated into that life, give those kids environments of hope and opportunity and let the rest age out with no new recruits to continue the cycle.

The families that ARE trying to work need help to MOVE up to a less hopeless environment, the children that ARE trying to do well (excelling in school and extracurriculars) need help to MOVE up to a less hopeless environment.

There needs to be a break not only to the cycle of continuous initiation of violence but to the cycle of hopelessness and 'disposable' life existence those young people are living merely for where they live (by society and criminals)

The problem is most don't want to get out. The military is an option for them. Keeping their legs closed and getting a job is another. People who sleep past noon and make quick money selling drugs and stealing don't want to work hard for less money.

and you know what 'most' of them want, how?

does getting a job help their kids ENVIRONMENT of hopelessness, drugs, alcohol, and crime and the assumptions by others that their life is disposable?

people selling drugs has nothing to do with kids and their parents who want a better life for themselves but cant 'earn' their way out of it.

thanks for the chart, but I think we knew this already. Blacks are committing the crimes there.

And I do agree, the cycle has to be broken and that starts with the family.. it has to start there. And with the community working to rid the areas of the drug dealers.. even if that is family members. It has become their way of life, but it doesn't have to be.

Cops ask for information from the community when crimes are committed.. they get no help. At some point the communities has to take a stand. At some point personal responsibility has to be enforced.

Nobody.. no individual.. no corporation.. no business leaders are going to invest in those areas ( which will quicken to rebuild) until the crime is under control.

The people have to respect themselves before they can respect anyone else

Meanwhile, here it is with the weekend just beginning and already 7 shot and 3 killed. AND that is with a additional 1,400 cops in those areas for this weekend.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-weekend-violence-august-31-september-2-492254281.html


what does it take to stop them from killing each other?

yes we do know that, because blacks LIVE there, just like whites are committing embezzlement and fraud because WHITES are in the places that control money, not because of race or the parenting of a race of people.

You wont stop people from killing each other.

you wont stop people from trusting those who have lost their trust either
UNLESS
you work first on mending the relationship to gain BACK the trust through community programs and interacting that is more than just treating everyone suspect and disposable.

(poor police and citizen relations are not just out of thin air because people dont want to be able to trust, but they have LEARNED not to)



and If that is not going to change, the partnership is not going to happen any time soon.

you also work on educating and exposing the generations to come

educating them on paths out of poverty,

exposing them to examples of how that path has and does work for others LIKE THEM, and how others LIKE THEM who took those paths are willing to aid them on the path as well.

our perception is our reality, especially at young ages,

and a child that only sees option a or b all around them, is not gonna believe there are other options C-Z, FOR THEM, that will work.

these are all starts to changing the CYCLE that is born out of hopelessness, self and social depreciation, and desperation.

Did you miss the close their legs part? Getting a jobs makes it to where they can move. The problem isn't so much that neighbors are selling drugs. It's their family is selling drugs and they are being raised to be thugs. Most areas have someone who is selling drugs. The difference is it's not most people parents. In the bad areas of Chicago it's selling drugs, stealing, robbing, the mom is prostituting, welfaring, stealing etc.

sexual reproduction is every womans choice, not having a crystal ball about what will go wrong is not reality

the people who are stuck in these areas and not engaged in crime are still much more likely because of their environment to be eventually pulled in...

particularly the youth who are trying to get through to adulthood and the parents of those school aged kids,

You said it exactly. It's their choice. They aren't being pulled in. Working is well....work. sleeping all day and selling dope is easy. Until they get caught or killed for using up the merchandise.

The problem I have with it is they blame society because they live like trash. They claim they don't have any other options. But it's just lies. The welfare queens choose to have kids and live in poverty. The drug dealers choose to sell drugs instead of getting a job.