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Topic: trump says we can afford pay raises for federal employees...
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Easttowest72

Fri 08/31/18 05:04 PM

I've been working 3 weeks. The company has sent my family to six flags, gave out prizes at lunch at six flags. Bought lunch at work for employees last monday. I've accrued 7.4 vacation hours and I get paid for labor day. Good jobs are coming back. I have no experience at what I'm doing so it's paid on the job training. I have $100 to buy shoes from the company, free short term disability and $30,000 in free life insurance.
Edited by Easttowest72 on Fri 08/31/18 05:05 PM
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shovelheaddave

Sat 09/01/18 10:51 AM


I've been working 3 weeks. The company has sent my family to six flags, gave out prizes at lunch at six flags. Bought lunch at work for employees last monday. I've accrued 7.4 vacation hours and I get paid for labor day. Good jobs are coming back. I have no experience at what I'm doing so it's paid on the job training. I have $100 to buy shoes from the company, free short term disability and $30,000 in free life insurance.


and what does THAT have to do with the fact that trumps is willing to give his super wealthy biliionaire cronies a $2 TRILLION DOLLAR TAX BREAKthat they don't need,but says that nw we cant afford to give all of the frderal employees the cost of living pay raise that they were SUPPOSEd to receive,that they DO need to support themselves.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!

all THAT has to do with is YOU DESPERATELY trying to find some way to change the subject,and make an empty brag about something that you CLAIM you have to cheaply validate yourself out of personal insecurity,instead of discussing the subject of this discussion because there is no way that you can RATIONALLY defend trump for the way he has sold out the middle class of this country to line his own,and his super wealthy cronies pockets,and you know it!!

and,every time you try to deflect and change the subject without addressing it only validates everything I say that much more!!!



but,nobody cares about what you CLAIM that you have!!!
[except YOU!!!] laugh
talk is cheap!!
ESPECIALLY on the internet!!!


laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
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Easttowest72

Sat 09/01/18 11:46 AM



I've been working 3 weeks. The company has sent my family to six flags, gave out prizes at lunch at six flags. Bought lunch at work for employees last monday. I've accrued 7.4 vacation hours and I get paid for labor day. Good jobs are coming back. I have no experience at what I'm doing so it's paid on the job training. I have $100 to buy shoes from the company, free short term disability and $30,000 in free life insurance.


and what does THAT have to do with the fact that trumps is willing to give his super wealthy biliionaire cronies a $2 TRILLION DOLLAR TAX BREAKthat they don't need,but says that nw we cant afford to give all of the frderal employees the cost of living pay raise that they were SUPPOSEd to receive,that they DO need to support themselves.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!

all THAT has to do with is YOU DESPERATELY trying to find some way to change the subject,and make an empty brag about something that you CLAIM you have to cheaply validate yourself out of personal insecurity,instead of discussing the subject of this discussion because there is no way that you can RATIONALLY defend trump for the way he has sold out the middle class of this country to line his own,and his super wealthy cronies pockets,and you know it!!

and,every time you try to deflect and change the subject without addressing it only validates everything I say that much more!!!



but,nobody cares about what you CLAIM that you have!!!
[except YOU!!!] laugh
talk is cheap!!
ESPECIALLY on the internet!!!


laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


The point is companies are spending money on employees. It's not those temp jobs available under Obama.
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shovelheaddave

Sat 09/01/18 12:08 PM




I've been working 3 weeks. The company has sent my family to six flags, gave out prizes at lunch at six flags. Bought lunch at work for employees last monday. I've accrued 7.4 vacation hours and I get paid for labor day. Good jobs are coming back. I have no experience at what I'm doing so it's paid on the job training. I have $100 to buy shoes from the company, free short term disability and $30,000 in free life insurance.


and what does THAT have to do with the fact that trumps is willing to give his super wealthy biliionaire cronies a $2 TRILLION DOLLAR TAX BREAKthat they don't need,but says that nw we cant afford to give all of the frderal employees the cost of living pay raise that they were SUPPOSEd to receive,that they DO need to support themselves.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!

all THAT has to do with is YOU DESPERATELY trying to find some way to change the subject,and make an empty brag about something that you CLAIM you have to cheaply validate yourself out of personal insecurity,instead of discussing the subject of this discussion because there is no way that you can RATIONALLY defend trump for the way he has sold out the middle class of this country to line his own,and his super wealthy cronies pockets,and you know it!!

and,every time you try to deflect and change the subject without addressing it only validates everything I say that much more!!!



but,nobody cares about what you CLAIM that you have!!!
[except YOU!!!] laugh
talk is cheap!!
ESPECIALLY on the internet!!!


laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


The point is companies are spending money on employees. It's not those temp jobs available under Obama.


LMAO!!!

and WHAT does that have to do with he federal employees not getting the C.O.L. pay raise they were supposed to get before trump gave his super wealthy billionaire cronies a $2 TRILLION DOLLAR TAX CUT,and then decided that the country 'couldn't afford' a {B}25 BILLION expense to benefit the middle class??
[ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!] laugh

the POINT is that you keep trying to DESPERATELY change the subject away from the fact that trump is not willing to give the middle class federal employees the cost of living pay raise that they were SUPPOSED to get,because he says 'we cant afford to',but he IS willing to give himself,and his super wealthy billionaire cronies a $2 TRILLION DOLLAR TAX CUT,which is 80 times more than what the federal employees was SUPPOSED to get,and benfited FAR FEWER people than the pay increase would have!

THAT is the POINT of this thread!!!
and,EVERY TIME you try to insecurely change the subject,it HILARIOUSLY proves that you CANT rationally defend him for it!!!

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
Edited by shovelheaddave on Sat 09/01/18 12:28 PM
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msharmony

Sat 09/01/18 12:09 PM

okay, well thats 4.1 million workers without an extra dollar or two, so we cut 10 million

now, if he also freezed raises for congress, imagine how much more we can cut, lets see if congress puts either suggestion through or makes the counter suggestion in the name of saving money come time to vote ...

and while we are so financially needy, why not cut back on the Mar A Lago trips too, which equate to about 3 million EACH TRIP

yes,, save that money ...

so we can tell the hypocrites from the genuine
Edited by msharmony on Sat 09/01/18 12:12 PM
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Easttowest72

Sat 09/01/18 12:44 PM

I agree Congress should have a freeze on raises. Trump donates his salary. It would be nice to see others do the same. Some people are in trouble for spending crazy amounts of tax $$. I think they should be fired and the money repaid.

Federal employees are over paid. We've had too many yes presidents who wanted a pat on the back.
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mightymoe

Sat 09/01/18 01:05 PM


okay, well thats 4.1 million workers without an extra dollar or two, so we cut 10 million

now, if he also freezed raises for congress, imagine how much more we can cut, lets see if congress puts either suggestion through or makes the counter suggestion in the name of saving money come time to vote ...

and while we are so financially needy, why not cut back on the Mar A Lago trips too, which equate to about 3 million EACH TRIP

yes,, save that money ...

so we can tell the hypocrites from the genuine
wow...it was ok when Obama when Obama spent 30 million dollars on a trip, but Trump can't spend 3 million?...whoa
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Toodygirl5

Sat 09/01/18 01:18 PM

Federal employees have good wages and benefits, I know people that were government employees. laugh

Trump is working for the whole of Economy in US.

He's Your POTUS. Just go with it! bigsmile
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Rock

Mon 09/03/18 08:51 PM

The only federal government employees
who deserve a raise, are the uniformed members
of the military, disabled vets, and retired vets.

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greeneyes148

Tue 09/04/18 04:49 AM



Federal employees already have great salaries. It's nice to see Trump budgeting our money. I give him A+ for the week. :thumbsup:


REALLY??

you think that government workers make so much money that SUPER WEALTHY BILLIONAIRES need financial help more than they do??

so,tell us...
just how much money do you think that civil servants make??

and,what is the cost of living in the areas where they live?
[like in the washington D.C. area?]

surely you wouldn't mind enlightening us on these facts,since you act like you know everything well enough to justify helping super wealthy billionaires,and not them??

[and,PLEASE,show your work!!! we need FACTS to back 'your opinion' up with,cuz as we all know,'your opinion' isn't always as 'factual,as it needs to be!]
laugh


From the man who said more illegal Canadians are entering the U.S then illegal Mexicans.... and when pressed for facts came up with .....zero. Just ignored the thread from that point on..a thread you started

You are not really one to throw stones Dave

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Easttowest72

Tue 09/04/18 06:32 AM

I think if federal workers won't corporation kind of money, they should start up their own business. I'm clear about being against socialism.
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shovelheaddave

Tue 09/04/18 07:03 AM


Federal employees have good wages and benefits, I know people that were government employees. laugh

Trump is working for the whole of Economy in US.

He's Your POTUS. Just go with it! bigsmile


LMAO!!
SUPER WEALTHY BILLIONAIRES have BETTER wages,and BETTER benefits than government employees do!!

so,if trump is working for the WHOLE of the u.s. like you claim,then why did he submit a tax plan that totally s**t on most of the country's population,but gave TRILLIONS of dollars worth of sweetheart tax cuts to super wealthy people like HIMSELF?
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Easttowest72

Tue 09/04/18 09:24 AM

To bring jobs back to the U.S.. :expressionless:
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Charles1962150

Tue 09/04/18 01:38 PM


To bring jobs back to the U.S.. :expressionless:


Another half-truth. The rest of the truth is here.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/sep/20/donald-trump/how-strong-job-growth-been-trumps-watch/
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Easttowest72

Tue 09/04/18 01:44 PM

So you want to debate our jobs were leaving? Corporate tax in the U.S. was part of the reason our jobs were going over seas. Corporations are in business to make money, not support the unambitious.
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greeneyes148

Wed 09/05/18 04:56 AM





Wow. You really hate rich successful people. It's not about helping anybody. It's about being paid for what the job is wprth. I find most are over paid for the amount of work they do. They can always go to work somewhere else without all the benefits. All democrats think the tax cut stole their money. They don't see it as them living off others and waiting for a check.


how does this align with 'the money must come from somewhere'

so If I have a budget where 10 people are each paying 30 dollars to make it work, that means I need a budget of 300 dollars. So if 5 suddenly pay only 20 dollars, who is gonna make up for that 50 dollars no longer being divied up?





More jobs being created and more people paying into the system. Get someone off welfare and paying taxes is a win win.



not if they still dont earn above poverty income, and therefore aren't held accountable to pay tax.

Its only a win for the employer, who has another workhorse to work toward the profit that goes to their pockets.









Guess what..learn more.. earn more..work your way up to a better life.
Not a new concept
And the profit should go in the employers pocket. It's their company

You want profit. Start your own company..lay out your own money. Take the risks..until then..it is someone else's profit
And they have no obligation to give it to you!..none
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shovelheaddave

Thu 09/06/18 08:08 AM






Wow. You really hate rich successful people. It's not about helping anybody. It's about being paid for what the job is wprth. I find most are over paid for the amount of work they do. They can always go to work somewhere else without all the benefits. All democrats think the tax cut stole their money. They don't see it as them living off others and waiting for a check.


how does this align with 'the money must come from somewhere'

so If I have a budget where 10 people are each paying 30 dollars to make it work, that means I need a budget of 300 dollars. So if 5 suddenly pay only 20 dollars, who is gonna make up for that 50 dollars no longer being divied up?





More jobs being created and more people paying into the system. Get someone off welfare and paying taxes is a win win.



not if they still dont earn above poverty income, and therefore aren't held accountable to pay tax.

Its only a win for the employer, who has another workhorse to work toward the profit that goes to their pockets.









Guess what..learn more.. earn more..work your way up to a better life.
Not a new concept
And the profit should go in the employers pocket. It's their company

You want profit. Start your own company..lay out your own money. Take the risks..until then..it is someone else's profit
And they have no obligation to give it to you!..none


yes,they DO have an obligation to do it!!!

it is called 'paying your FAIR share of taxes'!...

the MIDDLE CLASS sure seems to have an obligation to do it,dont they?

EVERYBODY is SUPPOSED to do it,except people who have enough money to be in Donald trump's tax bracket dont seem to be required to do it,and are leaving the middle class holding he bag to make up the difference that THEY[the super wealthy] are SUPPOSED to be paying.

so,please explain to us how come the MIDDLE CLASS have an obligation to pay THEIR fair share of taxes,but the SUPER WEALTHY DONT have the same obligation?
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mightymoe

Thu 09/06/18 08:45 AM







Wow. You really hate rich successful people. It's not about helping anybody. It's about being paid for what the job is wprth. I find most are over paid for the amount of work they do. They can always go to work somewhere else without all the benefits. All democrats think the tax cut stole their money. They don't see it as them living off others and waiting for a check.


how does this align with 'the money must come from somewhere'

so If I have a budget where 10 people are each paying 30 dollars to make it work, that means I need a budget of 300 dollars. So if 5 suddenly pay only 20 dollars, who is gonna make up for that 50 dollars no longer being divied up?





More jobs being created and more people paying into the system. Get someone off welfare and paying taxes is a win win.



not if they still dont earn above poverty income, and therefore aren't held accountable to pay tax.

Its only a win for the employer, who has another workhorse to work toward the profit that goes to their pockets.









Guess what..learn more.. earn more..work your way up to a better life.
Not a new concept
And the profit should go in the employers pocket. It's their company

You want profit. Start your own company..lay out your own money. Take the risks..until then..it is someone else's profit
And they have no obligation to give it to you!..none


yes,they DO have an obligation to do it!!!

it is called 'paying your FAIR share of taxes'!...

the MIDDLE CLASS sure seems to have an obligation to do it,dont they?

EVERYBODY is SUPPOSED to do it,except people who have enough money to be in Donald trump's tax bracket dont seem to be required to do it,and are leaving the middle class holding he bag to make up the difference that THEY[the super wealthy] are SUPPOSED to be paying.

so,please explain to us how come the MIDDLE CLASS have an obligation to pay THEIR fair share of taxes,but the SUPER WEALTHY DONT have the same obligation?
why don't you enlighten us on how much the "wealthy" pay or don't pay? Remember, 10% of a billion is a hundred million... So even if it's at 10%, which I know is higher, anyone who makes a billion dollars is paying way more than any person in the middle class..
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shovelheaddave

Thu 09/06/18 11:18 AM








Wow. You really hate rich successful people. It's not about helping anybody. It's about being paid for what the job is wprth. I find most are over paid for the amount of work they do. They can always go to work somewhere else without all the benefits. All democrats think the tax cut stole their money. They don't see it as them living off others and waiting for a check.


how does this align with 'the money must come from somewhere'

so If I have a budget where 10 people are each paying 30 dollars to make it work, that means I need a budget of 300 dollars. So if 5 suddenly pay only 20 dollars, who is gonna make up for that 50 dollars no longer being divied up?





More jobs being created and more people paying into the system. Get someone off welfare and paying taxes is a win win.



not if they still dont earn above poverty income, and therefore aren't held accountable to pay tax.

Its only a win for the employer, who has another workhorse to work toward the profit that goes to their pockets.









Guess what..learn more.. earn more..work your way up to a better life.
Not a new concept
And the profit should go in the employers pocket. It's their company

You want profit. Start your own company..lay out your own money. Take the risks..until then..it is someone else's profit
And they have no obligation to give it to you!..none


yes,they DO have an obligation to do it!!!

it is called 'paying your FAIR share of taxes'!...

the MIDDLE CLASS sure seems to have an obligation to do it,dont they?

EVERYBODY is SUPPOSED to do it,except people who have enough money to be in Donald trump's tax bracket dont seem to be required to do it,and are leaving the middle class holding he bag to make up the difference that THEY[the super wealthy] are SUPPOSED to be paying.

so,please explain to us how come the MIDDLE CLASS have an obligation to pay THEIR fair share of taxes,but the SUPER WEALTHY DONT have the same obligation?
why don't you enlighten us on how much the "wealthy" pay or don't pay? Remember, 10% of a billion is a hundred million... So even if it's at 10%, which I know is higher, anyone who makes a billion dollars is paying way more than any person in the middle class..


LMAO!!!!

now THAT sort of reasoning is nothing but a obvious cop out by someone who DESPERATELY doesn't want to face the facts!!!
laugh

the amount that rich people are supposed to pay is NOT dependent on the AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY PAY,it is dependent on the amount of MONEY THAT THEY EARN!

THE SAME THAT IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE!

so,if you believe anything otherwise,all I can say is that I suggest that you let SOMEONE ELSE do your taxes for you!!
laugh


Edited by shovelheaddave on Thu 09/06/18 11:22 AM
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Charles1962150

Thu 09/06/18 11:24 AM



To bring jobs back to the U.S.. :expressionless:


Another half-truth. The rest of the truth is here.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/sep/20/donald-trump/how-strong-job-growth-been-trumps-watch/


oops

Hopefully, the link will work this time.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/sep/20/donald-trump/how-strong-job-growth-been-trumps-watch/