If the morons would look at how much tax they paid in last year compared to the year before out of their pay checks they would understand. The tax cut took less money out every pay check, clearly they blew thru that money they were getting and no they are disappointed because they already spent it. I'm sure people are not considering the increase in the child tax credit either. It went from $1000 to $2000 per child under 17, and now you can get $500 for any other dependents. Yes that is correct, the government gives you $34,000 for having a child besides paying for there k-12 education which is about another $150,000. So these poor families with 6 kids that claim they can't afford to feed their kids get a lot more than they ever appreciate. Why don't we make things fare and do away with income tax and have every living human in the US pay $5000 a year. Then every one would be equal, because that's what people want right? To be treated equal? Oh that's right they are greedy and jealous and want to take from the rich and not pay their share.

id say a flat percent would be more equal. The rich pay AT LEAST just as much a PORTION of their earnings as everyone else. And then, we adjust for earned income and child credits ... et cetera.

The other way, its means someone making 20000 pays a quarter of what they have, while someone making 200,000 pays only 2 percent, that would be far from fair.

pure genius right here ^^

a married father of 4 tax bill $ 30,000
5k for each kid = 20,000
5k for stay at home mom = 5,000
5k for himself = 5,000
he makes 60,000 per year as a plumber

a single individual no dependents tax bill $ 5,000
5k for himself
he makes 140,000 per year as a hedge fund manager

Class, can anyone tell me the percentage of income each
taxpayer has to pay ?? raise your hand please

And lets break it down to percentages of services used too then? So you paid 3% of what the hedge fund manager so your only allowed to drive on 3% of the road, and if you call the police there is only a 3% chance they will show up. Next time your at the store try saying I make less than that person so I'm not going to pay the same for this as they are. We could start by having the rich and poor pay the same prevent, that would be a huge tax break for the rich and only a slight increase for the poor, and it would be more equal, however some of the new Democratic candidates for president are already talking about going after 60% to 70% of rich peoples yearly income, highly outrageous.

For those getting child tax credits and have poor money management skills and plan on running out and buying a new iphone and flat screen should readjust their priorities. $2000 a year is $166 a month, or just over $5 a day. That is plenty to feed a child, and if they can't do that the need to go to the store and buy some "REAL GROCERYS" and LEARN HOW TO COOK!!! Often times poverty is closely related to bad money management.

@dust4fun...

my comment pertained to this ^^^ statement you made about doing
away with income tax entirely...

i have no idea what you're talking about when you quoted me with
your reply ??? maybe you should read it again and reply towards
what you said.... or just ignore it

sorry, double post...

did you seriously just say 5 dollars a day is 'plenty' to feed a child? Have you ever had children of your own?

Why don't we make things fare and do away with income tax and have every living human in the US pay $5000 a year. Then every one would be equal, because that's what people want right? To be treated equal? Oh that's right they are greedy and jealous and want to take from the rich and not pay their share.

pure genius right here ^^

a married father of 4 tax bill $ 30,000
5k for each kid = 20,000
5k for stay at home mom = 5,000
5k for himself = 5,000
he makes 60,000 per year as a plumber

a single individual no dependents tax bill $ 5,000
5k for himself
he makes 140,000 per year as a hedge fund manager

Class, can anyone tell me the percentage of income each
taxpayer has to pay ?? raise your hand please




And lets break it down to percentages of services used too then? So you paid 3% of what the hedge fund manager so your only allowed to drive on 3% of the road, and if you call the police there is only a 3% chance they will show up. Next time your at the store try saying I make less than that person so I'm not going to pay the same for this as they are. We could start by having the rich and poor pay the same prevent, that would be a huge tax break for the rich and only a slight increase for the poor, and it would be more equal, however some of the new Democratic candidates for president are already talking about going after 60% to 70% of rich peoples yearly income, highly outrageous.

For those getting child tax credits and have poor money management skills and plan on running out and buying a new iphone and flat screen should readjust their priorities. $2000 a year is $166 a month, or just over $5 a day. That is plenty to feed a child, and if they can't do that the need to go to the store and buy some "REAL GROCERYS" and LEARN HOW TO COOK!!! Often times poverty is closely related to bad money management.


did you seriously just say 5 dollars a day is 'plenty' to feed a child? Have you ever had children of your own?



My point exactly! I can figure out plenty of ways to feed a child for less than $5 a day, and yet you are clueless on figuring that out. I can feed a family of 4 for $10 a day and that includes 3 meals and a snack plus beverages. Its really not as hard as people make it out to be.

I think you did understand but just couldn't wrap your head around it. Everything else we pay for is not based on percentage so why is our taxes? Or why isn't everything else that we pay for based on percentage just like our taxes are? Should I pay 10 cents a gallon for gas while the poor person gets 2cents in there pocket for every gallon they put in, and the rich guy is paying $12 a gallon for the gas he gets? That is how the current tax system is set up. If you can't figure that out then I can't help you, and nobody else will be able to either. Income tax is not based on what we USE, its based on how much we make. So why can't that be changed to a USE base tax instead of a INCOME based tax. Like a gas tax is based on the amount you USE, they assume the more gas you use the more harm to the road you do.

this is because the NATIONAL Budget does not have manpower to document each individuals usage of public resources or services. When you go to pay for gas, YOU purchased the car and are paying directly for what you will use, because YOU are the one budgeting your individual use. A National budget is not for budgeting everyones' individual use of things.

Certainly, to believe otherwise is gross over simplication and lack of context?

but but but...what about the farmer who has to buy gas for
his tractor that he only drives on his own land ???

#LostCauseWithYou

Why don't we make things fare and do away with income tax and have every living human in the US pay $5000 a year. Then every one would be equal, because that's what people want right? To be treated equal? Oh that's right they are greedy and jealous and want to take from the rich and not pay their share.

pure genius right here ^^

a married father of 4 tax bill $ 30,000
5k for each kid = 20,000
5k for stay at home mom = 5,000
5k for himself = 5,000
he makes 60,000 per year as a plumber

a single individual no dependents tax bill $ 5,000
5k for himself
he makes 140,000 per year as a hedge fund manager

Class, can anyone tell me the percentage of income each
taxpayer has to pay ?? raise your hand please




And lets break it down to percentages of services used too then? So you paid 3% of what the hedge fund manager so your only allowed to drive on 3% of the road, and if you call the police there is only a 3% chance they will show up. Next time your at the store try saying I make less than that person so I'm not going to pay the same for this as they are. We could start by having the rich and poor pay the same prevent, that would be a huge tax break for the rich and only a slight increase for the poor, and it would be more equal, however some of the new Democratic candidates for president are already talking about going after 60% to 70% of rich peoples yearly income, highly outrageous.

For those getting child tax credits and have poor money management skills and plan on running out and buying a new iphone and flat screen should readjust their priorities. $2000 a year is $166 a month, or just over $5 a day. That is plenty to feed a child, and if they can't do that the need to go to the store and buy some "REAL GROCERYS" and LEARN HOW TO COOK!!! Often times poverty is closely related to bad money management.


did you seriously just say 5 dollars a day is 'plenty' to feed a child? Have you ever had children of your own?



My point exactly! I can figure out plenty of ways to feed a child for less than $5 a day, and yet you are clueless on figuring that out. I can feed a family of 4 for $10 a day and that includes 3 meals and a snack plus beverages. Its really not as hard as people make it out to be.



respectfully, I call BS. unless you are going to feed them Ramen all three meals, or lettuce. There is no way to create or purchase 12 actual MEALs for 10 dollars.

If it was that simple, everyone would do it, or do you think people WANT to spend as much as possible just to have something to eat?

"My point exactly! I can figure out plenty of ways to feed a child for less than $5 a day, and yet you are clueless on figuring that out. I can feed a family of 4 for $10 a day and that includes 3 meals and a snack plus beverages. Its really not as hard as people make it out to be.



respectfully, I call BS. unless you are going to feed them Ramen all three meals, or lettuce. There is no way to create or purchase 12 actual MEALs for 10 dollars."

$10 may be a little on the light side but the point of knowing how to shop and prepare something from that is not. I'm sure I can usually make a main meal for 4 for less than $5-$7.

I think people with this knowledge should make it public. Im sure plenty of families would love to know the secret.

I mean, I can buy two one dollar cans of spaghetti sauce and a 2 dollar box of noodles and feed, barely, my household of four if we dont have any MEAT. but that is hardly an actual rounded MEAL, it is just food that can be eaten, there is a difference.

.85 lbs italian pork sausage, $2.12; spaghetti noodles, $1.25; 24oz pasta sauce,$1.00;fresh mushrooms,8oz for $2.00 = $6.37. Add a loaf of garlic bread for around $2.00. I would consider that a good meal that easily feeds 4.

Last night I made for just me: 2 chicken legs which I skinned, I large potato, cubed, mushrooms, carrots, topped with a couple ounces basil pasta sauce and seasoning. Baked in a casserole dish for 45 minutes. There again that could easily be expanded to feed 4 for around $6-7 for the meal. Chicken and pork are inexpensive; fish isn't too expensive, but beef is.

You must be able to make something decent with what the store wants to get rid of or what their cost leaders are. Varies from week to week and you actually need to go to the store and shop! Most stores around here put out a weekly advertising circular showing their "sale" items. You also need to be able to stock some items when they are on sale. Often times what the store puts on sale is subsidized by the wholesaler or company as they have extra stock. Meats can sometimes be bought at a discount because the sell by date is today. Take it home and make it for dinner!! Anytime you want to buy something basically prepared for you, you pay for that convenience!!

We have a different idea of what a 'good meal' for a family is, I guess. we also have different standards as far as paying attention to the labels on the food. I dont purchase food on clearance. I dont have that much trust in it. I do believe in cooking, so I grocery shop instead of fast food 99 percent of the time. I have done those skimp meals, where each person has only one serving of some one or two item meal, but like I said, I dont consider those 'good' or balanced meals for my kids.


I understand the numbers. and I agree they can happen once in a while if they must, but I dont agree my family or any other should be LIVING on those types of meals routinely.

I'm on a low fat, low sodium diet and have been for years! I read and understand those nutrition labels very well!! There is a big difference between what is on "clearance" vs what the store sells on a special to get you in the store. A "balanced" meal is not something fancy or gourmet. It includes foods from the basic food groups: grains, starches, protein, and vegs. When you purchase in unprepared packages, you will find it to be low in fats and sodium. Grains, starches, and veggies do not grow with fat and salt in them!!! Those come from the food manufacturer and are usually used to "enhance" flavors or as a preservative. Most 3 or 4 item meals are more than adequate for a family. One good sized serving should be considered the norm although portion size needs to be adjusted to the age and activity level of the individual. A 16 year old boy needs a much larger portion than you do!

Yes. I have an 11 year old girl. Someone her age needs 1600 to 2000 calories per day.
I also feed a 26 year old boy who is 6 foot 4, he should eat roughly 2500 calories a day. and a boy who is 5 foot 8.

Cheap meals like the one above are not going to add up on a routine basis.

Every family composition is not the same, which is why its not quite accurate to assume how much it takes to feed a family of four.

It cost quite a bit to feed a family! That's why people needs Jobs to feed their families. Tax cut for the middle class is good.. They pay high taxes which part goes for feeding lazy people , who live off governmental assistance.

You have a family of 2 adults and 2 teenagers. That is not what one thinks of when thinking of a family trying to stretch their food dollars. That should describe an older, 2 earner family that is reasonably middle class.